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(46,317 posts)
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:04 AM Nov 2012

Orson Scott Card has a meltdown.

The author of "Ender's Game" has a full-on right-wing meltdown.


Orson Scott Card, the author and National Organization for Marriage board member, lashed out at the media for covering up Obama’s lies and acting like Nazis!

Barack Obama is still a liar -- you didn't change that, you merely hid it.

Barack Obama is still the selfish, cowardly commander-in-chief who abandons American public servants -- you didn't change him, nor did you give him any reason to change.



If America had a Joseph Goebbels who would arrest any journalist who reported anything that would make the administration look bad, did you write or say or report anything during this election campaign that would have put you inside a jail cell?

Everybody at Fox News would have been jailed, and Fox News would have been shut down. But you already do everything you can to get people not to listen to Fox, so the actions of such a propaganda minister would merely make official what you already try to accomplish by other means.

Don't you dare say I'm lying or exaggerating, because the Democrats did try to shut down conservative talk radio, and you supported them in that effort, allowing them to get away with calling the proposed action "fairness."

You go along with the big lie every day. You did it obviously and openly in these last weeks before the election, allowing Barack Obama to conceal, cover up, lie -- all because, like good obedient party flacks, you knew that nothing was more important than keeping the Beloved Leader in power.



But far more likely is the other alternative -- that, faced with your monolithic groupthink, your insistent flacking for the Beloved Leader, your dishonesty that is equal to his dishonesty, your emulation of Pravda, the Republicans in Congress will give up, Fox News will drop the story, it will all go away, and the Beloved Leader will continue in power.

Then, when his appeasement of our enemies results in a nuclear explosion in Tel Aviv ... When more and more Al-Qaeda-style attacks kill more Jews and more Americans around the world ...



Just because brown-shirted thugs aren't beating your opponents in the streets doesn't mean you aren't every bit as much the enemies of democracy as any Nazi or Bolshevik ever was.

http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2012-11-08-1.html

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Orson Scott Card has a meltdown. (Original Post) Archae Nov 2012 OP
Damn. Liked so many of his books. Didn't come across as a hate-filled whack. gateley Nov 2012 #1
Agreed. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #18
Haha! Don't blame you. But once I learn something like that, I can't read or watch without gateley Nov 2012 #21
Patricia Heaton does a good job with her character? Hugabear Nov 2012 #34
Never saw that show -- never have seen her in anything else. gateley Nov 2012 #36
It's sad as much as annoying Posteritatis Nov 2012 #24
He doesn't write about his own character. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #27
When Ender's Game first came out... phantom power Nov 2012 #30
He's been a fucking nutbag for years. FVZA_Colonel Nov 2012 #2
Yeah, people here in Greensboro tend to avoid him and he avoids everyone... tledford Nov 2012 #23
Yes, I could tell from his books by the late 90's that he'd gone religiously wacko Sundome Nov 2012 #3
I think she pulled herself back from the brink. If I recall, she was furious at gateley Nov 2012 #22
Her best books were written after she had a crisis of faith... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #26
Ender's Game the movie is scheduled for release next year TeamPooka Nov 2012 #4
It's been scheduled for release for over a decade. Maybe this is a new one. Sundome Nov 2012 #6
directed by Gavin Hood the guy who did Wolverine. TeamPooka Nov 2012 #10
he's a Fox News whack job Skittles Nov 2012 #5
It's not so much a meltdown as it is hate speech. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2012 #7
Do these people hear or read what they say? kelliekat44 Nov 2012 #8
Delusion here, delusion there defacto7 Nov 2012 #9
I'd Flatpicker Nov 2012 #11
Like a tantrum from a 14 year old girl. Lex Nov 2012 #12
did he damage his brain somehow? eShirl Nov 2012 #13
yes, with Fux News Lex Nov 2012 #15
kid's stuff sigmasix Nov 2012 #14
Mormon Right-wing loon Card is Romney's favorite author, by the way cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #16
Ah, so someone's not going to be hanging out at the White House. Indpndnt Nov 2012 #20
You have to wonder how much longer people like this can go on ... Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #17
Orson Scott Card. Ray Bradbury. Clint Eastwood. randome Nov 2012 #19
Oh what a pompous gasbag. closeupready Nov 2012 #25
Your church is lead by a former Nazi. Dawson Leery Nov 2012 #28
He's a REALLY CRAPPY writer, too. n/t RomneyLies Nov 2012 #29
amen.....I tried one of his outhouse t p ers once.....made it about 5 pages. exCRUciatingly hack Gabi Hayes Nov 2012 #37
because he's a full-on, right-wing nutjob, and always has been. montanto Nov 2012 #31
He's a Mormon and a total Wingnut obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #32
Quite a bit of projection in that screed. caveat_imperator Nov 2012 #33
Not listening to Fox News is being a Nazi? Huh, wut? ck4829 Nov 2012 #35

eqfan592

(5,963 posts)
18. Agreed.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:07 PM
Nov 2012

I was really stunned to find out just how much of a whackaloon he really is. I even have an autographed copy of one of his books here in my house.

Oh well, I'm not getting rid of any of the Enders Game series of books no matter how crazy he is.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
21. Haha! Don't blame you. But once I learn something like that, I can't read or watch without
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:29 PM
Nov 2012

that knowledge being front and center in my mind. Like the Mom on The Middle. It almost pisses me off that I think she does a great job with her character.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
34. Patricia Heaton does a good job with her character?
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 04:29 PM
Nov 2012

It's the exact same character she played on "Everybody Loves Raymond." At least that show had Peter Boyle and Doris Roberts.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
24. It's sad as much as annoying
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:37 PM
Nov 2012

I liked Ender's Game and will occasionally take it out again every couple of years, and found some of the other books in that setting interesting even if they did get pretty silly as time goes by (and, reading between the lines, some of the hate becomes more obvious there).

Haven't actually bought any of his stuff since I became aware of the extent to which the Brain Eater got him the last several years, though.

I don't like it when people I respected strive as hard as this guy has to lose that.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
27. He doesn't write about his own character.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:42 PM
Nov 2012

And even hate-filled whacks don't see hate filled whacks as sympathetic characters.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
30. When Ender's Game first came out...
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:53 PM
Nov 2012

(lo these many years ago), there was a review of it in Asimov's SF, and the reviewer(*) was pointing out how Card's use of "bugger" as the villain tripped his homophobia spider sense. I remember thinking "seems like he's reading too much into that" - but Orson Scott Card did indeed turn out to be a homophobic wingnut.

(*) possibly Norman Spinrad, but don't quote me

 

FVZA_Colonel

(4,096 posts)
2. He's been a fucking nutbag for years.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:10 AM
Nov 2012

He said secession or violent revolution would be an appropriate response to any government (local, state, or federal) passing gay marriage.

Sundome

(26 posts)
3. Yes, I could tell from his books by the late 90's that he'd gone religiously wacko
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:10 AM
Nov 2012

This is sad because his Enders game series was very good. Anne Rice went religiously nuts too, only she didn't go right wing fundy.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
22. I think she pulled herself back from the brink. If I recall, she was furious at
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:34 PM
Nov 2012

the Church's stance on gays, since her son is gay. Kind of troublesome she didn't see the oppression until it affected her own family, but oh well.

TeamPooka

(24,220 posts)
4. Ender's Game the movie is scheduled for release next year
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:11 AM
Nov 2012

have fun with this issue Summit.
They will throw him to the Twilight vampires....

Sundome

(26 posts)
6. It's been scheduled for release for over a decade. Maybe this is a new one.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:12 AM
Nov 2012

the last one has drug on and on.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,110 posts)
7. It's not so much a meltdown as it is hate speech.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:13 AM
Nov 2012

It's more of the same crap we see from Trump, religious wackjobs, talk radio hosts, and countless hate mongers. It's their normal behavior.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
11. I'd
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:46 AM
Nov 2012

lost respect for him years ago when he went wacky.That being said, Isn't he a Mormon? Maybe Mittens losing caused him a break with reality?

sigmasix

(794 posts)
14. kid's stuff
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:37 AM
Nov 2012

Card wrote that one story where there's this kid that no one, not even himself/herself, believes in. The kid has all kinds of adventures and slowly discovers that he/she is the savior of all human kind/intelligent life. Card has one or two stories that don't follow this plot device, but for the most part he's pretty obsessed with the whole "special, backward kid becomes powerful and important, acheives redemption" narrative. (I have my own theories about why that might be) But for the most part you can get the gist by reading "Ender's Game"- the rest of the stuff is just repeating the same plot devices with different names, technology and settings. He has another alternate earth series with a little boy and magic numerology as a back-drop, as well as some rather revealing alternative American history stories that feature clues about Card's world view.
I would suggest that as an author he's kind of a one-trick-pony. But he is published and has a readership-which is more than I can say, so be liberal with the grains of salt.

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
20. Ah, so someone's not going to be hanging out at the White House.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:06 PM
Nov 2012

And he's seriously pissed about that.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
17. You have to wonder how much longer people like this can go on ...
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:04 PM
Nov 2012

without harming themselves. This man sounds like he has a serious mental illness.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. Orson Scott Card. Ray Bradbury. Clint Eastwood.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:14 PM
Nov 2012

I don't think I'll ever be a 'fan' of someone I don't know personally.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
37. amen.....I tried one of his outhouse t p ers once.....made it about 5 pages. exCRUciatingly hack
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:25 PM
Nov 2012

as bad as anything I can ever remember.....really stunned anyone thinks it's not meretricious garbage of the lowest order

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