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Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:22 PM

Signing petitions to secede will get your ass in trouble.

Company wide e-mail message from our security officer says anyone with a current US Government security clearance who signs a petition to secede is in violation of the terms of said clearance. Apparently sedition and treason are frowned upon by the the FBI. Go figure.

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Reply Signing petitions to secede will get your ass in trouble. (Original post)
al_liberal Nov 2012 OP
Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #1
Shrike47 Nov 2012 #2
denverbill Nov 2012 #3
SDjack Nov 2012 #4
joesdaughter Nov 2012 #34
gejohnston Nov 2012 #35
liberal N proud Nov 2012 #5
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #6
Marmitist Nov 2012 #7
Gore1FL Nov 2012 #19
Flatpicker Nov 2012 #8
2naSalit Nov 2012 #16
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #9
freeradicalm Nov 2012 #10
FSogol Nov 2012 #14
ReRe Nov 2012 #11
maindawg Nov 2012 #12
2naSalit Nov 2012 #13
LineLineReply >
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #18
elbloggoZY27 Nov 2012 #15
2naSalit Nov 2012 #17
bl968 Nov 2012 #20
Volaris Nov 2012 #22
Sirveri Nov 2012 #39
kydo Nov 2012 #21
joetubes Nov 2012 #23
MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #31
dem4ward Nov 2012 #24
Canuckistanian Nov 2012 #25
2naSalit Nov 2012 #38
MissMarple Nov 2012 #26
NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #27
Throckmorton Nov 2012 #28
DeSwiss Nov 2012 #29
Kablooie Nov 2012 #30
politicaljack78 Nov 2012 #32
jimlup Nov 2012 #33
JoeyT Nov 2012 #36
2naSalit Nov 2012 #37

Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:23 PM

1. Sounds good to me. nt

 

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:24 PM

2. I used to wrk for a state Attorney General.

Signing ANYTHING could get you in trouble.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:29 PM

3. I think it would be a good idea to make copies of those petitions.

There will be names on those petitions of people who want to run for office someday.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:37 PM

4. Any possibility that the signers could lose right to possess firearms?

That would be a real neat result.

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Response to SDjack (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:29 PM

34. Ooooh, I Like That. n/t

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Response to SDjack (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:36 PM

35. only if they renounce their US citizenship

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968#Prohibited_persons
IIRC, I do remember seeing a ATF 4473 asking if you "belonged to an organization or have advocated violent overthrow", but that was in the 1970s and early 1980s.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:43 PM

5. And my M I brother has session links posted all over his Facebook page.



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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:51 PM

6. How are we related to RWNJ?

Is it birth order or did alien visitors implant them when we weren't watching them?

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:09 PM

7. Probably applies to anyone with a Transportation Workers' Security Credential (TWIC) Card too...

 

Which a *lot* of people in Louisiana have, what with all of the industry along the Mississippi. Isn't Louisiana one of the states with one of these idiotic petitions?

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Response to Marmitist (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:15 PM

19. The vast majority of states have them now.

It only takes one nutjob with an internet connection to start one. Then it takes 149 more to make the idea visible to the public.

Don't blame the states; blame the idiots.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:10 PM

8. Is it sedition

To sign a petition to allow another state to secede?

I'm very happy to help the red states leave to create their Randian utopia.

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Response to Flatpicker (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:03 PM

16. One big problem is that

several of those really red states have a lot of public lands which they are expecting to keep under their control. I, for one, am not willing to relinquish control of national parks and wilderness areas and other critical wild lands to these "drill, baby drill" temper-tantrum obsessed shitheads. They've already made a big enough mess out here and I wouldn't be willing to let them go forth with impunity on what's left of our so called family jewels.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:14 PM

9. Really? Gee, who'd thunk?

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:25 PM

10. SHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Let them sign them and let those jobs open up for like-minded people and send those d-bags packing.

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Response to freeradicalm (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:55 PM

14. +1 Spot on.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:29 PM

11. This would be great....

.... if it was ENFORCED.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:34 PM

12. who knew?

they sure dont act like it

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:54 PM

13. But wait...

These folks with a stunted intellect are initiating petitions on the white house web site. They are actually petitioning a government whose authority they reject to accept their request to leave the union of states.

And anyone can initiate a petition, and someone has initiated one that calls for those who sign these secession petitions to be exiled and their voting rights expunged. That would put them in illegal alien status...? How appropriatey karmic is that? So these petitions need 25,000 signatures within 30 days to be considered, not that anything would happen, it just means somebody will read them. So that means each state needs 25,000 signatures in 30 days to have secession request considered. The part about their lack of math skills comes in when you consider that anyone from the 50 states can sign the exile on main street petitions with the same 25,000 in 30 days criteria...

To exile and deny citizenship to those signing secession petitions: Currently at 11,817 with 13,183 needed by 12/12/12.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf

Currently it's up to 18,630 signatures and only 6,370 needed by 12/12/12. for deportation:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:04 PM

18. >

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:02 PM

15. Just a Comment

 

We as a Country have really taken a huge step backward.

As "POGO" the character created by the cartoonist Walt Kelly so famously said "WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US".

Oh! how sad an outcome from here in the United States of America.

Walt, you were so correct.

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Response to elbloggoZY27 (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:04 PM

17. +50

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:18 PM

20. Texas vs White (1869)

When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States. - Texas vs White (1869)

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Response to bl968 (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:42 PM

22. "... or through consent of the States."

Would that mean that if they ask us to, and the rest of us give them permission, they actually CAN LEAVE? In other words, is there a "Constitutionally Viable Process" for EXITING the Union...we could call it a Reversal of Statehood Application?

The theorist in me is curious....

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Response to Volaris (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 05:03 AM

39. Yes, that's always been the case if you think about it.

If one side wishes to leave, and the other accepts their desire, then there can be no conflict.

The real mind screw comes with the civil war. The states seceding performed an illegal act, but only because they lost, if they had won then it would have been legal.

So, in theory, a state could sponsor a constitutional amendment severing their ties with the union, and if it was ratified and affirmed, that state would then leave the union.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:23 PM

21. treason is usually frowned upon

and seeking secession from the union does kind of fall under that.

I know most of us joke about the whole thing, mostly because it is a big joke. But at some point it will start to become not funny.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:44 PM

23. We need to help

We need to find a place where all these people con go and not come back

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Response to joetubes (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:13 PM

31. Somalia

I hear Somalia is the place to go for folks like that.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:45 PM

24. Go ahead, Make my day!

 

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:48 PM

25. Yup

A security clearance basically demands a loyalty oath to your country.

By signing a secession petition, it could be grounds for revoking the privilege of the clearance.

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Response to Canuckistanian (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:37 AM

38. The web site

where these petitions can be signed require a log in so it's not like they can't be contacted later.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:48 PM

26. You will have... A VERY BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT!

CAN YOU HEAR THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH?


Seriously, what are you thinking? You are so not a dude. Whatever. Grow up.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:53 PM

27. May be in violation of a security clearance / employment agreement but it's not sedition or treason

Still, they are idiots.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:55 PM

28. Got an e-mail to that affect this morning too. N/T

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:57 PM

29. K&R

What this boils down to is 700,000 TeaBaggers are demanding from the other 313,986,189 Americans that we give them ''our'' union! Or, put another way: It's what 0.0022244382641146033898551550351007% of the American people are demanding.

- I say fuck 'em. If you want to leave, LEAVE! And not one peck of soil better be missing.......

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:57 PM

30. How narrow minded.

Why on earth does the Government frown on treason?
I mean it's a free country and treas create lots of shade.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:23 PM

32. hopefully the lurking freeps will take this

Info back to their base and report it to their colleagues...hint, hint....nah to be on the safe side...freepers, if any of your colleagues works for a federal agency or has a contract with a federal agency...tell them to not sign the secession documents...and never ever say the people of du do not care about you.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:23 PM

33. It would be ironic to me if the younger generation of teabaggers all invalidated themselves from

any future jobs requiring a security clearance. What stupid fucking idiots these people are.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:22 AM

36. Huh. Who'd have thunk it.

"I despise the US government! Give me access to classified areas/information!"

They're probably going to catch merry hell getting anything like a TWIC card too for the same reason. They really ought to lose that too....for the same reason.

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Response to al_liberal (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:25 AM

37. Here's

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