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Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:20 PM

Pregnant woman dies in agony as doctors do nothing by command of the Irish Catholic Church

The Guardian:

"This is a Catholic country," was what Irish doctors told Savita Halappanavar after she learned she was miscarrying her pregnancy and asked for an abortion to avoid further complications. She spent three days in agonizing pain, eventually shaking, vomiting and passing out. She again asked for an abortion and was refused, because the fetus still had a heartbeat.
Then she died.


Here's a photo of Savita Halappanavar:


She was 17 weeks pregnant, died of septicaemia a week after presenting with back pain on 21 October at University hospital in Galway, where she was found to be miscarrying.

Her husband describes her last days:

More at: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/14/1161544/-Pregnant-woman-dies-in-agony-as-doctors-do-nothing-by-command-of-the-Irish-Catholic-Church

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Reply Pregnant woman dies in agony as doctors do nothing by command of the Irish Catholic Church (Original post)
Playinghardball Nov 2012 OP
mr_hat Nov 2012 #1
atreides1 Nov 2012 #8
mr_hat Nov 2012 #24
LisaL Nov 2012 #31
MineralMan Nov 2012 #2
atreides1 Nov 2012 #9
MineralMan Nov 2012 #13
nc4bo Nov 2012 #3
MH1 Nov 2012 #34
Lucy Goosey Nov 2012 #4
forestpath Nov 2012 #5
Ash_F Nov 2012 #6
hifiguy Nov 2012 #7
MineralMan Nov 2012 #17
hifiguy Nov 2012 #18
MineralMan Nov 2012 #19
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #29
LisaL Nov 2012 #33
EC Nov 2012 #21
Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #10
Wind Dancer Nov 2012 #12
Initech Nov 2012 #22
Control-Z Nov 2012 #11
MineralMan Nov 2012 #14
MH1 Nov 2012 #35
riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #15
Ken Burch Nov 2012 #16
Cleita Nov 2012 #36
Cleita Nov 2012 #38
hedgehog Nov 2012 #20
Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #23
Ilsa Nov 2012 #25
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #26
GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #27
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #28
lindysalsagal Nov 2012 #30
REP Nov 2012 #32
Playinghardball Nov 2012 #37

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:22 PM

1. If this is true as reported,

there must be arrests.

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Response to mr_hat (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:36 PM

8. Arrests for what?

The doctors were following Irish law as it's currently written.

The same kind of law that the religious fanatics want here in the US!

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:12 PM

24. Irish law allows for abortions when the mother's life is at risk.

Look it up.

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Response to mr_hat (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:09 PM

31. Well it appears the doctors are so scared, that they would not remove the dying fetus from


this poor woman.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:22 PM

2. A Pox on the Roman Catholic Church for Such Decisions!

That woman was not even a Catholic, and they let her die over their own dogma. Someone should go to prison over this.

They have gone too far, once again. The decision was tantamount to murder.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:38 PM

9. It doesn't matter to fanatics

The Irish Catholic church seems to have the same concern for women's health that the Taliban has for women's rights...none!


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Response to atreides1 (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:44 PM

13. It's not just the Irish Catholic Church. It is the entire

Roman Catholic Church. Their dogma has killed enormous numbers of women over the centuries. They put no value on women, except as birthing organisms. That dogma is obscene and should be abolished by law. That any woman who could survive dies from a miscarriage that is not properly treated is an abomination of the first order. It is murder.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:26 PM

3. Isn't this an example of what Ryan, Atkins, Murdock, the Xian Right want for ALL women in the U.S.?

No abortions regardless of the circumstance?

This is their ideology.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:36 PM

34. Yes, that is what those fuckwad scumbag shitholes want for women in the US.

I'd use even more adjectives but I'm tired.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:26 PM

4. Pro-Life Fail

This shit just makes me so angry, I hardly know what to say.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:27 PM

5. The Catholic Church strikes again.

 

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:29 PM

6. Wow I had no idea Ireland was like that. /nt

The Repubs would have it that way here. Poor woman.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:35 PM

7. Negligent homicide.

Fk the RCC.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:54 PM

17. No. Premeditated First Degree Murder.

They had the means to save her life. She begged for her life. They stood by and watched her die, despite knowing they could save her life. That is premeditated murder.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:00 PM

18. Somebody belongs in prison for a

very long time, whatever the charge.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:01 PM

19. Agreed. Further, I'd advise any pregnant woman not

to visit Ireland under any circumstances. It could prove fatal.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:14 PM

29. And a terrible batch of doctors

 

I can't imagine what it would be like to watch someone die painfully for three days knowing you could prevent it easily.

Doctors aren't supposed to be that kind of person.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:27 PM

33. I suppose blaming the doctors is easier than to blame the law.

"Ireland's constitution officially bans abortion, but a 1992 Supreme Court ruling found it should be legalized for situations when the woman's life is at risk from continuing the pregnancy. Five governments since have refused to pass a law resolving the confusion, leaving Irish hospitals reluctant to terminate pregnancies except in the most obviously life-threatening circumstances."

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/14/15164593-tragic-savita-case-reignites-abortion-debate-in-ireland?lite

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:54 PM

21. Deprived indifference. n/t

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:39 PM

10. Hopefully in the coming century the Catholic Church's power will be obliterated

and it will be thrown on the dustbin of history. It couldn't happen to a more deserving, evil, fucked-up institution that has caused untold human suffering for eons.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:43 PM

12. +1000

Agree completely!

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:58 PM

22. Ex Catholic here and I couldn't agree more.

The church has become so disgustingly archaic with it's stance on everything from homosexualality to it's "pro life" (term used loosely) stance it's just indescribable. To prove it they elected a Pope who just doesn't seem to give a fuck. They either need to get with the fucking times or they'll go in the history books where they belong.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:39 PM

11. This is just too much.

Her death was 100% preventable, damn it. Poor woman.

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:45 PM

14. Jail everyone responsible for this death, including

any church officials who were consulted by the doctors. They have murdered this woman, who is a Hindu, not a Catholic, and not even a citizen of Ireland. It is an abomination.

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:39 PM

35. And can you imagine the suffering of the family?

Her husband, who was there through that? He has to live with it, and without her.

This is such a horrendous situation. I don't know how the doctors responsible can live with themselves.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:48 PM

15. Its murder plain and simple.



Disgusting, despicable outrageous laws. Ireland MUST reform its heinous abortion laws. I don't expect beautiful Savita's death to be the turning point but the weight of her body on top of all of the others who have died before her may someday tip the scales towards reform.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:50 PM

16. If they knew she was miscarrying, they already knew a live birth was impossible.

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It's not as if a miscarriage can ever be stopped.

She was murdered by bitter old men in mitres. There are good things in the Catholic tradition, but its sanctimonius misogyny ain't one of 'em.

Sinead O'Connor could get a song out of this tragedy.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:39 PM

36. Sinead O'Connor could do more and I believe she will.

She's quite the activist against the Catholic church inspired legislation in Ireland where it regards women

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Response to Cleita (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:49 PM

38. This is what happens when you don't have sharp lines between church and state.

Our fundamentalist Christians have the same mindset that the Catholics have and if they get their anti-women health legislation pushed forward, we will see the same here.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:03 PM

20. I went to the RTE site and saw a time line there -

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1114/timeline-savita-halappanavars-death.html


I suspect that it would be accepted medical practice in this country to allow a miscarriage to proceed naturally, so as far as that goes, I don't think abortion would have been advised regardless of the law. (My children were all born 20 years ago, so i could be wrong about current practice!)

In this case, I think the problem was that the hospital failed to recognize that infection was present and/or failed to treat with the proper antibiotics. It's possible that it was an infection that caused the miscarriage. So i think this is more a matter of medical malpractice than of a woman's right to choose.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:01 PM

23. Another moral victory or the folks who helped child abusers escape the law.

Remind me again why the pope isnt facing international conpiracy charges on that?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:18 PM

25. Harsh laws like Ireland's create these problems.

Even if they knew an abortion might be justified, they let the extremism get in the way of their medical judgment.

The law needs to be changed so doctors and staff don't have to worry about jail or bsnkruptcy in defending themselves for doing their duty.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:36 PM

26. So much angry... I don't have words for it

I'm not sure the language has words for it.

In fear for their own prosperity, these doctors just let a woman die in agony. LET HER DIE. it was preventable, and they stood by and watched it happen, because, oh gosh, we might go out of business. They did so at the behest of a coward government which passed this law, knowing full well what the consequences would be. They were warned, they charged ahead anyway. They did so to serve the interests of an archaic institution that revolves around a fantasy world, where a magic man living in the sky talks to you, but only if you have a dick and only if you promise to not use it.

Savita's blood is on their hands. Hers and those women who will follow so long as this law stands, so long as this standard persists. If they truly believe their faith, then I hope that their hell yawns open for them whenever they close their eyes. I hope htye never sleep again, for terror of the fate that awaits them if they never wake up.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:57 PM

27. When "pro life" means everybody dies

 

What "life" was served here?

All that seems to have been upheld is an impossible and abstract theological opinion.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:12 PM

28. It's what god would have wanted. God never makes mistakes so we shouldn't intervene. . . .

 

unless of course you're using medicine to promote pregnancies via artificial fertility treatments. Then god didn't know what the hell he was doing and it's up to us to fix his mistakes.



/if that blurb is accurate this is fucked up. I hope this spurs a change in that law so at least some good comes from this tragedy.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:06 PM

30. "We want you to die to prove we're 'Pro-Life'."

"Because, if we let you live, that will be pro-death."

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:19 PM

32. Ah, the RCC in Ireland - keeping up their hideous legacy into the 21st century

Heartbroken, undoubtedly, that they can't as easily torture shameful women in their prisons laundries they have no doubt taken some solace in killing this heathen (well, she looks heathen, doesn't she? She's smiling in that photo).

(In case there is any doubt, I do not really have any derogatory thoughts about Ms Halappanavar, and I'm sorry she died a horrible and unnecessary death at the hands of ignorant savages. My deepest sympathy to her family and friends for their unspeakable loss. My sympathy also to the good and decent people of Ireland.)

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:47 PM

37. FUCK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!!

And all religions!!

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