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Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:07 PM

Chris Van Hollen Says Hes Open To Cutting Social Security And Medicare Benefits Tell Him No

The link to call his office is in the blog post

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As part of an event with the Wall Street Journal and corporate leaders, Rep. Chris Van Hollen (MD) a leading Democrat and ranking member of the House Budget Committee indicated that he thinks cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits should be part of the upcoming deficit negotiations:

On Capitol Hill, it isnt clear how strenuously Democrats will resist cutting entitlements. Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D., Md.) said he and others were open to changes as long as they were done in a measured way and were part of deal that included tax increases. Mr. Van Hollen also said changing Social Security and increasing the Medicare eligibility age above 65 should be part of negotiations.

Im willing to consider all of these ideas as part of an overall plan, Mr. Van Hollen said Tuesday at the Journals CEO Council.

Read more: http://boldprogressives.org/chris-van-hollen-indicates-hes-open-to-cutting-social-security-and-medicare-tell-him-no/

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Reply Chris Van Hollen Says Hes Open To Cutting Social Security And Medicare Benefits Tell Him No (Original post)
Report1212 Nov 2012 OP
forestpath Nov 2012 #1
Report1212 Nov 2012 #2
forestpath Nov 2012 #3
patrice Nov 2012 #12
DJ13 Nov 2012 #15
CBHagman Nov 2012 #23
patrice Nov 2012 #6
forestpath Nov 2012 #8
patrice Nov 2012 #11
forestpath Nov 2012 #13
patrice Nov 2012 #33
patrice Nov 2012 #9
patrice Nov 2012 #4
Mojorabbit Nov 2012 #5
LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #21
hootinholler Nov 2012 #22
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #7
datasuspect Nov 2012 #10
kentuck Nov 2012 #14
Liberalynn Nov 2012 #17
Liberalynn Nov 2012 #29
AnnaLee Nov 2012 #16
Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #28
Glitterati Nov 2012 #18
LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #19
Report1212 Nov 2012 #24
LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #30
and-justice-for-all Nov 2012 #37
Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #45
Oilwellian Nov 2012 #20
GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #25
Liberalynn Nov 2012 #32
Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #26
Report1212 Nov 2012 #27
LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #31
Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #35
Samantha Nov 2012 #47
Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #49
Samantha Nov 2012 #52
Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #53
JoePhilly Nov 2012 #34
TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #50
WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #36
Skittles Nov 2012 #39
Report1212 Nov 2012 #40
WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #43
Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #44
glinda Nov 2012 #38
progressoid Nov 2012 #41
bvar22 Nov 2012 #42
TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #51
Enrique Nov 2012 #46
davekriss Nov 2012 #48

Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:11 PM

1. I've got whiplash. I just saw Debbie Wasserman Schultz say "We don't need to be looking

 

at cuts" on MSNBC.

She even reiterated it when she was questioned about it.

Now this? What are we supposed to think, you know?

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Response to forestpath (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:11 PM

2. Well they're two different people

The point is to eventually get them to line up on the same page: No cuts.

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Response to Report1212 (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:12 PM

3. I don't trust Van Hollen, I've seen him before being questioned about SS/Medicare cuts.

 

And he wouldn't give a straight answer, so I kinda knew where he stood.

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Response to forestpath (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:24 PM

12. Thanks for keeping us aprised of that situation. We should make a special case out of VanHollen.

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Response to forestpath (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:29 PM

15. I think he's a Third Way member

or at least sympathetic to their fiscal conservatism.

He has never seemed to have any real convictions of his own.

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:49 PM

23. His voting record and interest group ratings from Project Vote Smart...

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Response to forestpath (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:17 PM

6. PO just said in his press conference tha the MC will NOT pay for what needs to be done. 1% taxes

won't hurt them, and combined with what he's already doing, not extending the Bush Tax Cuts to those who don't need the money can result in the "fiscal cliff" we're hearing about being actually more like 1/2 of the size that some are claiming it is.

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Response to patrice (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:19 PM

8. I know he did, I am not questioning him, I am questioning why these Congresspeople

 

are singing two different songs.

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Response to forestpath (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:22 PM

11. Yes. Good! I'm just spreading the word about that press conference. PO on the job!

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Response to patrice (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:26 PM

13. ITA, I really enjoyed that, he was on fire!

 

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Response to forestpath (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:10 PM

33. He sounded rested-up and ready to go! Very focused smart answers all of the way!

He's a pleasure to listen to even when one kind of doesn't trust him on some stuff because of the situation that all of us are in, 'cause he's "government", you know, after-all.

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Response to patrice (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:20 PM

9. P.S. He also spoke of his great arithmetic confidence that his approach can and will work well for

everyone.

IOW, It's all very fixable if people'd stop fighting about it, though stand the line on the most concrete things having to do with family & community.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:13 PM

4. Kicking!

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:15 PM

5. Would someone put up his contact info?

We can stArt emailing and calling his office. My computer is running like molasses today. I don't know what the prob is or I would go searching myself.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:40 PM

21. He misrepresents Maryland's 8th District

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:43 PM

22. Here ya go

(202) 225-5341

Not jsut SS but he said it's ok to raise Medicare age

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:19 PM

7. what does Social Security have to do with the deficit..?

 

absolutely NUTHIN'.

SAY it again...

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:21 PM

10. they are all pigs

 

they all feed at the samee trough.

they don't give a fuck about you.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:26 PM

14. So he joins Chuck Shumer...

and others. This does not help our case, in my opinion.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:33 PM

17. I wrote to Chuckie earlier today

usually I get an answer which is something I actually admire about him.

I was respectful but reiterated that the Democrats need to stand united and firm against cuts to Medicare or SS.

I called him Senator in the letter by the way and normally refer to him that way out of respect. I am just ticked off at him right now.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:01 PM

29. Just called Chuckie

to say no too. Also called Senator Gillibrand's office and asked her to continue to oppose cuts to Medicare and SS no matter who calls for them even if it is Senator Schumer.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:30 PM

16. If you look at where his district is:

District map I think it is understandable. He probably has a lot of contractors in his area (and government employees). People working for contractors might lose their jobs if they decide to step off the curb (fall off the cliff). Sometimes the parties check and make sure they have a huge majority on an issue then allow some members to have slightly different stands. (I don't really know; I lived in MD for years but not in his district.)

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Response to AnnaLee (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:54 PM

28. His district is actually pretty large and VERY diverse. I think we need to wait for facts before

jumping to conclusions based on mere conjecture.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:34 PM

18. When Chris Van Hollen cuts HIS benefits FIRST

Then, I'll be happy to discuss cutting MY benefits.

After yours are cut to the EXACT same levels as my current benefits.

When Mr. Van Hollen can prove he can live on $1309.00 per month, we will discuss a cut.



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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:38 PM

19. I worked on his first campaign for that congressional seat

and I am totally disgusted with this. Am no longer in his district, but I'm embarrassed that I ever voted for that turncoat.

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:49 PM

24. Then make a call! nt

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Response to Report1212 (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:02 PM

30. I just called and was told he was "MISREPRESENTED"

I asked how he was "misrepresented" and the woman answering the phone said he was "open to discussions" on the issue, but "not open to making these cuts".

I told her that this is not even a subject that needs to be discussed. President Obama won; he has a mandate, and he doesn't need to listen to the Republicans about this.

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:27 PM

37. That is what I got when I called just now..

he has been "misrepresented"

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:27 PM

45. Thank you for calling. In my opinion, the reply was bullshit.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:39 PM

20. This is a feeler folks

Let's let them feel our wrath over this insane idea.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:49 PM

25. I agree.

The Dems need to know whether or not the rethugs are going to continue to dig in their heels and obstruct the President at every turn. They need to know what kind of preparations to make in the event that they don't. It also allows them to scope out which, if any, rethug congresspeople who might be willing to work with them.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:04 PM

32. called Schumer and Gillibrand and said we voted against cuts when we voted against the Republicans

we shouldn't have to keep reminding our own party that those are earned and paid for benefits that have nothing to do with the deficit.

I trust Gillibrand but I don't think I trust Chuck not to bend on this.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:53 PM

26. Van Hollen is my congressman and he represents one of the most liberal districts in MD.

There's no way in hell that he was suggesting cutting benefits, that is, if he wants to keep his day job. We are very politically active in this district.

I don't believe that he was offering this suggestion. I believe that--once again--the liberal intellectual establishment is making assumptions not based in fact. This is mere speculation.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:54 PM

27. He told the Wall Street Journal forum he is open to ...

raising the Medicare age.

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Response to Report1212 (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:03 PM

31. He's a jerk. The Medicare age needs to be lowered

not raised.
Lowered so everyone is covered.

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Response to Report1212 (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:19 PM

35. I did see that statement. I did not, however, see any specific statement on cutting benefits.

It is the WSJ. And again, until I see a specific plan, I'm not going ape shit over this.

I say again, Van Hollen represents one of the most liberal districts in the state of Maryland, and the people in this district are very well informed and politically active. (Montgomery County sent more activists to VA to GOTV than any other county in Maryland, for instance.)

Van Hollen will pay if he goes down this road. Trust me.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:27 PM

47. I live in College Park, MD (not Montgomery County) but I am with you

And I am serious.

Sam

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Response to Samantha (Reply #47)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:00 PM

49. I used to live in CP when I was in grad school at UMCP. That means you got Steny Hoyer. He's been

moderately liberal. I hope he will exercise his leadership acumen and reject any proposal that cuts benefits.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #49)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:39 PM

52. I am worried about him

He is too much of a yes man. I think he would give away the store if the right person asked him.

I had an issue some time ago about the chained cola formula and I started to send my research to him. For some reason, I felt pretty sure he would not pick up the ball and run with it. I sent it to Bernie Sanders instead. Two days later, he was all over the place blasting it, and he has not let up since.

Sam

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Response to Samantha (Reply #52)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:21 PM

53. I love Bernie. Met him on Capitol Hill at this restaurant last year. This was before he had planned

to do his 10-hour filibuster. I thanked him for everything. He was kind, gracious and very appreciative of those who support him.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:14 PM

34. I have a mint condition limited edition Babe Ruth rookie baseball card ...

And I'm willing to discuss trading it.

What's your offer?

Ohhh ... and so clearly, through my willingness to discuss such a trade .... You should now conclude that I hate Babe Ruth, and I really really want to get rid of his baseball card.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:18 PM

50. There might be a "right" offer for your baseball, that doesn't prevent it from being your most

prized possession. It doesn't mean you wish to part with it but it is not just possible but actually reasonably plausible that what can be exchanged for that ball would be a near shot at improving your quality of life substantially and all you give up is a bauble you really like.

Now, over here we are talking things beyond even quality of life. In a conversation about Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (particularly when we are trying to expand coverage in part relying on the program) are literal LIFELINES. Not just for some but for most of us.
This is roofs over heads, food in stomachs, life saving care. This is about wages over an entire lifetime. This is about opportunities available. This is about years of desperation, fear, and hanging on hoping to make it. This is about burdening families. This is about increasing unemployment on a generational basis.

Hell, this it about the years of our lives and the quality of those years.

Putting aside the revulsion of comparing our life lines to a ball on a shelf for a moment, what plausible offers are worth such a trade, something even on the furthest left fringe of the TeaPubliKlan party.

Sure, we'd love to have an epic debate about trading in these tattered nets for a living wage and single payer but c'mon man, that isn't even on the cutting room floor much less approaching the table. There is realistically nothing and we all know it so there is no good reason for any such talk.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:21 PM

36. Silly DUers, falling for the bullshit. Tsk, tsk.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1813696

Scootaloo and 174 reccers know more than you and the *trusty representative* from Maryland!

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:29 PM

39. they are the heads-in-the-sand type

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:49 PM

40. Care to explain?

I don't understand this post and don't want to read the huge wall of text.

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Response to Report1212 (Reply #40)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:24 PM

43. Just skim it. It'll represent either the best or worst of DU...

depending on your POV.

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Response to Report1212 (Reply #40)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:26 PM

44. Just read the OP.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:31 PM

38. These people obviously didn't hear the election vote speaking.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:15 PM

41. But we keep getting told that there is no evidence that Dems would do such a thing.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:19 PM

42. BOHICA...(Bend Over Here It Comes Again)

..because we don't have 60 votes or something,

and The President has very little power (except when he does),

and its only been 4 years,

and we HAD to do something

and we had to "save" the children (or some other hostage group),

and we didn't pay attention

and we should have said something sooner,

and the Perfect is the enemy of The Good,

and it was the sensible, pragmatic thing to do in the Real World,

and we don't want to be like George Bush,

and this is a step in the right direction,

and these cuts actually strengthen Social Security

and we can't just RAM our agenda through,

and there is no Magic Wand

and we shouldn't whine for our Pony,

.....







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Response to bvar22 (Reply #42)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:43 PM

51. I'm more and more thinking a lot of registered Democrats don't want to pay taxes

or at least a bunch that post on the board.

For them the prime directive, just like Grover and Friends, is to keep those Bush/Obama tax cuts. They just don't make real big money, they just do well.

There is always a hostage and these scammy deals just keep adding hostages to hide behind to protect the prize.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:00 PM

46. kick

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:29 PM

48. Class Theft, pure and simple (n/t)

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