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Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:00 AM

 

Okay, I give up. DU 'Bashes' Duers from 'Red States'.

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by REP (a host of the General Discussion forum).


That's been a theme here of late, and by GOSH there are plenty of links 'proving' it. I'm done trying to defend DU. It's apparent, even obvious by now that all of the Duers from Red States are universally hated on This Site.

My silly and juvenille attempts to show otherwise or request evidence to show it as being so were appropriately shut down.

I'm embarrassed.

I really am.

I should never have questioned those who claimed that DU is hostile to 'red state' Liberals and Democrats. Obviously.

As such, I suppose I'll have to really think about being here, as I have friends and family in 'red states' and am personally very much opposed to the notion that they are 'stupid' or 'foolish' for living there.

If any of you want me to leave, just say so, and I'll take it under advisement.

Thank you.

Dr. E

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Reply Okay, I give up. DU 'Bashes' Duers from 'Red States'. (Original post)
The Doctor. Nov 2012 OP
Fence rider Nov 2012 #1
Avalux Nov 2012 #3
Democratopia Nov 2012 #2
Avalux Nov 2012 #4
BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #5
renie408 Nov 2012 #15
BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #21
renie408 Nov 2012 #24
BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #25
renie408 Nov 2012 #27
HockeyMom Nov 2012 #6
Paladin Nov 2012 #7
renie408 Nov 2012 #26
snooper2 Nov 2012 #8
former-republican Nov 2012 #9
tledford Nov 2012 #10
blogslut Nov 2012 #11
Amaril Nov 2012 #36
Gman Nov 2012 #12
cordelia Nov 2012 #14
Gman Nov 2012 #42
bunnies Nov 2012 #13
renie408 Nov 2012 #16
bunnies Nov 2012 #46
marmar Nov 2012 #17
seabeyond Nov 2012 #33
Tsiyu Nov 2012 #34
renie408 Nov 2012 #18
Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2012 #19
LanternWaste Nov 2012 #20
OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #22
pintobean Nov 2012 #23
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #28
valerief Nov 2012 #29
WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #30
PowerToThePeople Nov 2012 #31
Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #32
socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #35
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #37
ceile Nov 2012 #38
1gobluedem Nov 2012 #39
Iggo Nov 2012 #40
DonRedwood Nov 2012 #41
marions ghost Nov 2012 #43
DonRedwood Nov 2012 #45
marions ghost Nov 2012 #44
REP Nov 2012 #47

Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:06 AM

1. Don't be a Hater

Come on. They can't help it if they are outnumbered. I am an ex-pat from a southern state. I was outnumbered but I have always stood firm. Good luck to all of those red state brothers and sister. Keep on fightin the good fight!

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Response to Fence rider (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:11 AM

3. They can't help it?

Just because us red-state DUers are 'outnumbered' doesn't mean we have to take abuse from those of our own party. Yes, I choose to live in BLUE San Antonio Texas; I have raised my children here and it's home. Dems in Texas fight hard and struggle more than Dems in blue states just because we are a minority.

We should have support but instead we're ridiculed by some. It's really discouraging sometimes.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:10 AM

2. Don't leave because of a few bullies

 

You have been here too long to give in to bullies. Although I have never mentioned I am from a red state, I have been bullied and called a troll simply because I am new here. But these bullies are in the minority, and most DUers are nice people. We know who the bullies are, and they continue to show themselves up by their own behavior.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:13 AM

4. Don't give up, I haven't.

We need to stick together.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:13 AM

5. I don't think people here hate DU'ers from red states

They do have a problem with deep red states, though. That sometimes carries over (or could be read as) contempt for every sentient being in those states, which is really wrong.

When it looked like the popular vote was going to be pretty tight, I think people remembered the value of all Democrats pretty quickly, if they needed to be reminded in the first place.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:18 PM

15. I am from SC and if I try to say anything about my state other than an apology

I get attacked mercilessly.

There is NOTHING good about South Carolina. NOTHING. The people are ALL ignorant hillbilly racists. Period. If I try to say anything else, I get attacked. I have actually stopped posting here more than once because of it.

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Response to renie408 (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:26 PM

21. It's not an overstatement to say that South Carolina made Obama possible

Had he lost the primary there, it would have been over and done. Not to mention what the many brave and dedicated progressive people there have done to advance the history of this nation.

No apologies needed, IMO.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:35 PM

24. Thanks.

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Response to renie408 (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:37 PM

25. Thank you, SC

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:38 PM

27. Fired up? :)

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:34 AM

6. Can you get any bluer than Boston?

When we were in Ma. a few weeks, we saw a man standing on an overpass to the Mass. Pike HOLDING a huge Romney sign. Of course, all the Obama signs far outnumbered HIM.

By the same token, we know a man (old, white, not rich) from Alabama, now living in very red, Naples, Florida (home of Space Alien Governor), who had Obama and 99% stickers all over his car. Nope, it didn't get vandalized, but the Romney stuff were far more numerous in this place.

While it certainly is very nice to live in a majority Dem State (NY Native), all it means is is that you just have to try harder, and take no shit, as in, voter suppression.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:39 AM

7. Stick Around If You Want To.


But just for the record, I thought your earlier thread was rightfully shut down. It was beneath contempt. We Red State liberals have it rough enough without being shit on by people who are supposed to be our political allies. End of rant.....

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Response to Paladin (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:37 PM

26. I didn't see the other thread and took this one at face value.

If this thread is sarcasm, he's wrong. I have been harassed here before for saying something nice about my very red state.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:46 AM

8. I believe in equal opportunity "bashing"

LOL


You might be from Boston if...

You think of Philadelphia as the midwest.

You think it's your God-given right to cut someone off in traffic.

You think there are only 25 letters in the alphabet (no R's).

You think three straight days of 90+ temperatures is a heat wave.

All your pets are named after Celtics or Bruins.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:52 AM

9. Try being pro 2nd amendment and against the democratic platform for gun control

 

from a blue state.

You are the devil to some members here.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:56 AM

10. Yeah. It's almost like they're saying that 47% of Americans are worthless. :-) eom

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:56 AM

11. As a Texan and DUer, trust me on this

"hide thread" and "ignore" are what make this site not suck.

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Response to blogslut (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:54 PM

36. ^^ This! ^^ (n/t)

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:56 AM

12. It's really nothing new

It's gone on for years now. Comes and goes but the sentiment is always here. It's another reason I don't hang out here as much. Too many immature loud mouth kids.

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Response to Gman (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:14 PM

14. Almost celebrated by some.

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Response to cordelia (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:40 PM

42. And don't get me going about Yankees

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:05 PM

13. Is this sarcasm?

If not, thats a mighty broad brush youve got there. DUers from red states are universally hated?! Come on. Thats bullshit.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:19 PM

16. Are you from a red state? Because I am...

and they may not hate ME, but if I say one thing about my state that isn't an apology or if I try to defend anything about it, I get steamrolled. It has happened way more than once.

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Response to renie408 (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:50 PM

46. No.

And maybe thats why I dont notice it so much. But being from NH I absolutely DREAD primary time. All the 'why should those hicks from a tiny state get to choose' type threads really get to me. So I can relate.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:19 PM

17. I've stayed as far away from these debates as possible, but.....


...... is the bashing of the states themselves, or of DUers? I've seen a lot of bashing of the states, but not the DUers from those states. But then again, I tend to avoid those posts.

Besides, here's a much better representation of red/blue America.




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Response to marmar (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:43 PM

33. see that really really red square up there in the texas panhandle? that is where i live, lol. nt

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Response to marmar (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:50 PM

34. I love that large map

And I note the large river of blue that courses through the Southeastern states.

I think alot of DUers are color blind, actually, because they don't appear to see it.

AS I posted elsewhere:

From 2008:

ALABAMA: 813, 479 people voted Obama; roughly TOTAL population of VERMONT

FLORIDA: 4,282,074 people voted for Obama; roughly the TOTAL population of CONNECTICUT

GEORGIA: 1,844,137 people voted for Obama; roughly the TOTAL population of NEW HAMPSHIRE



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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:23 PM

18. Not sure where you are going with this, but...

I have had a hard time of it if I ever try to defend the southeast in any way. Especially if I say anything about liking it here. If I try to make ANY positive comment about the people or my state, DUers tend to jump down my throat. I have stopped posting a couple of times because of it.

If you are being sarcastic, I have quit posting before from the attacks because I said something about how I don't like my state politically, but I do like living here. I like South Carolinians. I like the South in general. It feels like home. It isn't a perfect place by a long shot, but it's home.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:24 PM

19. Dude. Chill. Stop obsessing.

We won last week. Enjoy that.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:25 PM

20. I imagine there's a very dramatic difference in questioning a thing

I imagine there's often a very dramatic difference in questioning a thing, and the manner in which one questions a thing.

And, as evidence was indeed, offered in evidence (rather than as a 'proof')...

That being said, I do not think DUers from the south are universally hated, merely minimized and trivialized by a handful of prolific posters for no other reason than for living where they do. While I don't think that is evidence for "universal hatred", it does allow us the opportunity to see closed, dogmatic and intractable opinions that will not be swayed by evidence, often in others, and sometimes, even in ourselves.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:28 PM

22. Trashing - another post-election useless thread. nt.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:32 PM

23. Cool semi-GBCW thread, bro.

I don't think very many care if you stay or go.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:40 PM

28. Sorry you feel this way.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:40 PM

29. Shouldn't this be posted in Meta? That's where the I Hate DU rants go. nt

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:41 PM

30. . . . . .

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:43 PM

31. Ya, this disturbs me.

It is not all peoples of a region. There are many progressives in red areas.

The issue, as I see it, is entrenched bigotry that has been passed through the generations. Us that understand the reasons this hatred is unfounded need to "educate" them.

We need to look at our message because it is not working currently. I do not have the answer to the delivery of a progressive message that will be accepted, but I believe it is possible. Greater minds will hopefully figure it out.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:43 PM

32. Don't leave...

Just accept that there are as many ignorant people living in Blue States as there are in Red States and don't take their nonsense personally....after all you know You are smarter than they are.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:53 PM

35. Don't leave. Just think of all the Intelligent Red-staters

When I was in college, back in 1970, I met a guy from Georgia and he was very progressive in his thinking. Being from MAss. I was amazed that a young person could grow up in a state like Georgia and still have liberal thoughts.

I just read a post (see link below) by someone from a red state who talked about how it was to be a liberal and be surrounded by conservatives, racists, whatever you want t call them. It really made me thing that we need to start to support these people because they stand with us under very dangerous circumstances (against their neighbors and relatives) while we sit in Blue and see that our votes actually elect liberals and keep this country from fallling into a very dark place where wealth is power and the ruling class is prejudiced against everyone else and there is no American Dream to work toward.

Hey Red State DUers. A message for y'all.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1815944

I think we need to think of a way to send these people reminders in our posts that show we are thinking of them and are glad they are on our team.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:56 PM

37. only the thin-skinned ones...

 

and surely you don't fall into that category...?

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:01 PM

38. After your hidden thread, why should anyone take this seriously?

Did you forget the sarcasm smilie?

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:05 PM

39. I live in blue Michigan but I get jumped on

When I defend the US auto industry and the UAW and point out that there is a massive trade imbalance with Japan when it comes to importing and manufacturing US automobiles to and in Japan. I am lectured about the perceived poor quality in US cars, reminded how many are made in the US (by non Union labor), and given meaningless statistics about the trade balances with other goods.

Don't let it get you down and don't let it drive you away.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:07 PM

40. "...universally..."

Oh come on.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:09 PM

41. My promise:

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:24 PM

43. Look at the red in your own state

look at it, feel it, know it. Then incorporate your whole state into your worldview. I realize that's hard for people who have to shore themselves up by tearing others down. Otherwise you're just perpetuating the media myth of "red vs blue."

There's no place for South baiting/bashing on DU. It's nasty and alienating. People who do it look smug, superior, and ignorant.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:38 PM

45. Step outside the city here and you are in a red red red world.

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:34 PM

44. You sound SO sincere....



Suggest to try backing away from the "red state/blue state" koolaid.

But maybe it's just too irresistable...?

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Response to The Doctor. (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:50 PM

47. Locking

Please feel free to repost in Meta. Thanks!

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