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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:01 PM

Costco and Boeing Will Not Hire Pot Smokers



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Heard on KATUTV tonight in Portland that Costco and Boeing are among Washington state employers who will not honor the new law that will allow possession of an once or less if perspective and current employees decide to participate in partaking. Both state as long as it is a Federal Law violation they will not allow it and even then they still will never allow pot smoker employment..


The employment issue may just be the next battled coming up if the FEDS decide to allow states to handle pot on their own.

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Reply Costco and Boeing Will Not Hire Pot Smokers (Original post)
rsmith6621 Nov 2012 OP
gateley Nov 2012 #1
libertypirate Nov 2012 #23
notadmblnd Nov 2012 #2
Angleae Nov 2012 #26
Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #31
Marrah_G Nov 2012 #35
Angleae Nov 2012 #42
GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #3
WooWooWoo Nov 2012 #5
limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #13
Recursion Nov 2012 #37
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #40
rsmith6621 Nov 2012 #15
msongs Nov 2012 #19
Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #46
Incitatus Nov 2012 #12
Major Nikon Nov 2012 #14
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #4
gollygee Nov 2012 #6
bluedigger Nov 2012 #7
RKP5637 Nov 2012 #9
RKP5637 Nov 2012 #8
rufus dog Nov 2012 #10
JimDandy Nov 2012 #11
roody Nov 2012 #16
Incitatus Nov 2012 #20
Recursion Nov 2012 #39
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #17
Angleae Nov 2012 #24
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #27
libdem4life Nov 2012 #18
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #28
slackmaster Nov 2012 #21
Angleae Nov 2012 #25
slackmaster Nov 2012 #48
cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #22
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #29
liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #30
Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #47
Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #32
Marrah_G Nov 2012 #33
pstokely Nov 2012 #36
Marrah_G Nov 2012 #43
mick063 Nov 2012 #34
Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #38
dem4ward Nov 2012 #41
Javaman Nov 2012 #44
Myrina Nov 2012 #45
slackmaster Nov 2012 #49

Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:02 PM

1. Didn't even think of that. That's just wrong.

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Response to gateley (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:57 PM

23. I've been hired for three

six figure software engineering positions. Get to the pee test and cannabis is not acceptable even with valid doctors recommendation. I won't lie about it if asked but I don't volunteer and I avoid discussing generally, ignorance becomes intolerable when I am in a wretched state.

If I stop the cannabis medication it takes about a day for the spasms in my arm and back to start, and by day two the muscle starts to burn. My arm will turn numb in about a week and it will feel just like I smacked my funny bone perpetually. I discussed pain management options with my doctor and there are not any traditional therapies available for my type of trauma. For five years I lived and worked in utter disgusting pain that I only treated with cannabis medicine. It literally has saved my life.

It is a sad reality that I and many others face. It is hard not to be bitter watching people who sold you, stroked you up as their "new" guy. Then look down their nose at you for choices that have nothing to do with performance or competence.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:04 PM

2. guess what? They already have workers that are pot smokers.

They managed to pass their piss tests

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:07 PM

26. Boeing mechanics are subject to random tests.

They show up for work, their supervisor gives them the random test paper and signs it with the time. If they don't arrive at the testing center within a limited amount of time (ours are about 15 minutes) they fail. Can you get pot out of your system in 15 minutes?

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Response to Angleae (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:46 PM

31. Well, that's bullshit. What if someone doesn't have transportation? nt

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:52 PM

35. I'm thinking there aren't alot of Boeing mechanics without their own transportation.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:15 AM

42. Then company will have to provide it if it isn't within walking distance.

I'm not sure where Boeing employees have to go except those working in the recently leased hangar at Paine Field (the clinic is literally across the street). Any failure is sent to the FAA and is noted on the company's record as well as the individual.

(edit)
I guess they could technically refuse you transportation, but it would really get messy afterwards (lawyers would get involved).

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:05 PM

3. Wouldn't that be discrimination under the new state law?

 

I wonder if the ACLU would be interested in this.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:07 PM

5. how is it discrimination?

alcohol is legal, but I'm sure there are rules against being drunk at work.

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Response to WooWooWoo (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:11 PM

13. This would be like getting fired because you drank a beer at home on the weekend.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:20 AM

37. Which a company is free to do, if it feels like it

Drinkers are not a protected category.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:23 AM

40. companies can legally discriminate against smokers, and cigarettes don't cause mental or

 

physical impairment.

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Response to WooWooWoo (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:18 PM

15. Unfortuantly MaryJane stay in yor system for days after you stop smoking it where.....



..... alcohol metabolizes itself out of your system overnight so does the pot you smoked three days ago make you a safety risk.. that is the question that has to be answered.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:40 PM

19. safety risk after 3 days? not probable. detectable in blood is not being high nt

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Response to rsmith6621 (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:21 AM

46. Actually, cannabis

can be detected for up to 45 days after you ingest it. Which means, of course, if you took a hit off of a pipe last month, even though the affects have long ago worn off, you could still test "positive" on a pee test.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:11 PM

12. No, employers can even refuse to hire cigarette smokers if they want. nt

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:12 PM

14. Not unless it's added under state anti-discrimination laws

...and I just don't see that happening.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:06 PM

4. If it is rescheduled it's over

Please DC Circuit Court, pretty please.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:07 PM

6. Is this about their insurance companies?

I worked in the office of a construction company, and we couldn't have anyone who used any drug, including marijuana, because the insurance company wouldn't insure us. Is this something they just decided or is it prompted by an insurance company?

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:07 PM

7. The Colorado amendment also allows this.

There is a shit ton of money in the piss testing industry on the line.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:08 PM

9. Yep, as usual, follow the $$$$ trail. n/t

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:07 PM

8. It's a convoluted country we live in ... pot should be legal across the nation, how

simple a fix that would be ... but we never do simple solutions.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:08 PM

10. In the words of Kraemer on Seinfeld

I'M OUT!

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:10 PM

11. Employers can, and do, also not hire cigarette smokers.

Last edited Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:10 PM - Edit history (1)

Smokers are not a protected class as far as discrimination goes. Residential property owners also often don't rent to smokers of any kind. Even if the federal law was changed to make pot legal, pot smokers legally could still be discriminated against in housing and employment.

edit for darn spelling.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:27 PM

16. Pot does not have to be smoked

to be ingested.

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Response to roody (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:45 PM

20. Yes, but it doesn't matter.

Unless you are discriminated against for age, sex, race, religion or gender, employers can use any reason. Except maybe if you have a good union job.

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Response to Incitatus (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:22 AM

39. Or veteran status (nt)

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:34 PM

17. i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they already do have pot-using employees.

 

I worked at United Airlines- and i was able to pass the pre-employment drug test, by abstaining for 2 weeks prior.
once that was behind me- it was heavy-toking as usual.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:02 PM

24. Were you subject to random testing like every pilot and mechanic per DoT/FAA regulations?

The majority of Boeing employees are subject to such regulations.

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Response to Angleae (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:11 PM

27. nope. I didn't get anywhere near the planes as part of my job.

 

I have no problem with the people who build, maintain, or fly the planes being drug/alcohol tested.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:38 PM

18. Guessing this is a hiring matter. Otherwise, short of testing everyone every 30 days, or

checking the local rap sheet, how would they know.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:15 PM

28. instead of testing everyone every 30 days, they just to random testing...

 

so everyone has to assume that they will be tested next time.

btw- from what i've been told, the union agreement with the chicago police requires a 30-day notice of a 'random' drug test.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:47 PM

21. In Boeing's case, it's a condition of their status as a contractor for the Department of Defense

 

The company really has no choice. If they don't maintain an active drug-free workplace policy based on federal law, they will lose billions in contracts and have to lay off tens of thousands of workers.

The only time I had to take a pre-employment whiz quiz was for a job at a financial data company that was a subsidiary of a multinational based in Canada that had contracts with the US DoD.

Call Congress right fucking now.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:05 PM

25. Actually it's that they build airplanes under the authority of the dept of transportation/FAA.

These days it's one strike, you're out. Too many people testing positive would put the company's FAA licenses in jeopardy.

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Response to Angleae (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:36 AM

48. Wiki article says 51% of their income for 2008 was for Boeing Defense, Space & Security

 

They're heavily involved in federal contracts and ones that are under tight control of the federal government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Defense,_Space_%26_Security

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:49 PM

22. I toked daily for decades and have absolutely no problem with this policy re: Boeing.

As far as Costco goes, I'm not seeing the potential danger here. I'd bet the Pizza Guy, if he toked, would make the world's best pizzas.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:19 PM

29. actually- the toking pizza guy only THINKS that he's making the world's best pizzas...

 

he's not.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:43 PM

30. there are ways around the urine tests

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:27 AM

47. The only way around them that I know of

is the balloon trick, which is applicable only to women. I've heard of drinking lots of water so that you're needing to go the the restroom every 10-15 minutes and when your urine is colorless is when you take the UA. Other than that, do you know of any other ways that you'd be willing to share either on the board or privately?

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:47 PM

32. Now would be a good time to invest in some synthetic urine suppliers. nt

 

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:49 PM

33. Boeing I can understand

Costco, I cannot.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:10 AM

36. forklift drivers, tire changers?

nt

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Response to pstokely (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:46 AM

43. I'd really have to think about that

Boeing- well if they make a mistake at work it could potentially kill alot of people.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:50 PM

34. I worked for a small business owner

 


That would light up a joint and hand it to me at work. There is the personal saftey factor to consider.

If it is that important to you, work for a guy like that or start up your own business and dictate your own policy.


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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:20 AM

38. Retirement rocks.

Seriously, as a legal secretary/paralegal, I never had to pee in anyone's cup. It's such an invasion of privacy and totally uncalled for in most professions. Employers should only get involved in their employees' drug usage if that drug use is causing problems on the job.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:25 AM

41. In a perfect world,

 

No one would operate a vehicle, airplane, buss, truck, industrial equipment and or construction equipment while under the influence of ANY substance both legal or illegal.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:16 AM

44. ah hahahahahahaha...



LOL

>wipes tear from eye< ahhhhh hahahahaha!!!

Honestly, really?

all line up in aisle 3 for the pee test!

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:17 AM

45. Are they drug testing their execs and Board of Directors' too?

Coke and other designer Rx "mood alterers" can be alot more dangerous ...

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Response to Myrina (Reply #45)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:37 AM

49. Based on my experience working for a subsidiary of a defense contractor, the answer is yes.

 

Everyone gets tested, including temporary employees.

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