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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:12 PM

Prediction of Petraeus's fate, a year and a half ago.

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On May 2nd, 2011, after a busy week in which Obama reshuffled his cabinet (Gates out, Panetta to Pentagon), published his birth certificate and humiliated Donald Trump, and then announced the killing of Bin Ladin, I wrote:

Petraeus -- neutralized, withdrawn from his Afghanistan flag-waving photo-ops and sent into the bowels of the CIA, an agency with a proven history of stimying and dispensing with directors considered hostile to it.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1011589

Make of it what you will. For the rationale of my thinking, then and now: see Post 7, below.

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Reply Prediction of Petraeus's fate, a year and a half ago. (Original post)
JackRiddler Nov 2012 OP
teddy51 Nov 2012 #1
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #7
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #2
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #8
fleur-de-lisa Nov 2012 #3
GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #4
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #10
WI_DEM Nov 2012 #11
JBoy Nov 2012 #5
underthematrix Nov 2012 #6
WI_DEM Nov 2012 #9
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #12
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #13

Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:15 PM

1. But what on earth does that have to do with him having an affair?

 

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Response to teddy51 (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:51 AM

7. There's always a way to bring someone down... (Post #7)

Petraeus and his love-dick made it easy, but there would have been another way.

He was the rat sent into the snake's pit. Or if you prefer, the snake in the rat's pit, all the same to me. Either way - let's stick with the first metaphor - you don't wonder for long which of the snakes bit the rat. You just know it was inevitable.

CIA and Pentagon are organs of empire. They exist to commit crimes. One is literally defined by its criminality - the reason for a secret service is to violate the laws of given jurisdictions. Whereas the other one exists to flatten far-away places and murder people wholesale, and have a bunch of statesmen invent reasons why this is just and legal. In combination, they've caused the deaths of many millions around the world, and the classes of architects and commanders -- the snakes and the rats we're trained to call "mister" and "sir" -- have never paid the price. (With the exception of a few individuals; never as a class.)

CIA is a hotbed of bureaucratic in-fighting. A place of many secretive compartments run by capos and intrigants, closed and often hostile to each other in the competition for resources and privileges. A place where there are many ways to be exposed, and where exposure means your end. Where in recent years several directors - Deutch, Goss, now Petraeus - have met with sudden careericides. (And never mind what likely happened to Colby and Casey.)

CIA and JSOC have been struggling for years over which gets the lead in the drone wars. CIA has been winning, more or less. And then Petraeus is sent to run CIA? A suicide mission, surely.

I'm not saying Obama knew what would happen when he appointed Petraeus to the job. He just knew what was likely when he took this showboating little dictator (and potential Republican candidate for president) out of his prominent, "heroic" position in Afghanistan, and sent him to the bowels of Langley.

Bye, bye. Too bad it wasn't The Hague, alongside Rumsfeld and Cheney and Bush and Wolfowitz and Powell and Rice and Blair and Straw and Brown and Aznar and Howard. Never forget.

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Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:16 PM

2. was he considered 'hostile' to the cia when he was director?

 

i think that you're kind of stretching things when you say that you predicted his 'fate' -i don't see the word mistress or adultery anywhere.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:54 AM

8. Yes of course.

Military vs. CIA is one of the oldest MIC bureaucratic rivalries going.

More recently, it's been a direct battle over who gets to control the drone wars. (CIA has been winning, and then they send Petraeus to run CIA? Good luck to him.)

See post 7 for more complete version.

If he hadn't made it easy by falling gaga for Broadwell, there would have been another way. There always is.

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Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:18 PM

3. Kind of sick of these 'I told you so' threads! - n/t

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:21 PM

4. What exactly are we being told?

 

There are so many stories running around that it's hard to tell what's happening.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:55 AM

10. See post 7, above, for my guess.

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:57 AM

11. yeah there have been a lot of them lately

and most of them don't really add up to the authors claim.

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Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:23 PM

5. If "stimying" means "causing him to bone his biographer"

then you nailed it.

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Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:52 PM

6. Oh so interesting.

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Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:54 AM

9. Nice try but I don't think you quite predicted it.

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Response to WI_DEM (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:16 AM

12. Doesn't matter, but see Post 7...

I intuited a likely outcome that appears to have come true; for the more general thinking behind it, see Post 7.

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Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:30 PM

13. bump - pls. see Post #7

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