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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPresident Obama's Opening Move: Raise $1.6 Trillion In New Tax Revenue From The Wealthy
by TomP
I really like this! No pre-negotation concessions. Starting with his proposed budget.
President Obama will begin talks with congressional leaders Friday with a plan to raise $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue from the wealthy making clear that, at least the outset, a wide gulf remains between congressional Republicans and the White House on the most contentious point in the negotiations.
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Rather, Obama will present his 2013 budget as his starting point a plan that sought to reduce borrowing over the next 10 years by $4 trillion.
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Obamas previous proposal called for raising $1.6 trillion in new taxes on the wealthy by allowing tax rates to increase, imposing a new special tax on millionaires and limiting deductions for the wealthy. He also proposed $340 billion in health-care and entitlement savings, continuing $1.1 trillion in spending cuts already passed into law and generating another $1 trillion in savings through the end of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The demand for $1.6 trillion in new taxes is far greater than Obama proposed in negotiations with House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) in summer 2011. At the time, Obama wavered between $800 billion and $1.2 trillion in new tax revenue, depending on how much in entitlement cuts Republicans were demanding.
WaPo: Obama to open fiscal talks with plan to raise taxes on wealthy
Elections have consequences, Mr. Boehner. And the Bush tax cuts will expire at the end of the year. The leverage is ours and the President is strong.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/13/1161340/-President-Obama-s-Opening-Move-Raise-1-6-Trillion-In-New-Tax-Revenue-From-The-Wealthy
Obama promises liberal groups he'll end Bush tax cuts for wealthy
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/13/1161302/-Obama-promises-liberal-groups-he-ll-end-Bush-tax-cuts-for-nbsp-wealthy
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)Details about those 'health care and entitlement' items need to be examined, though.
Betsy Ross
(3,147 posts)TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)... merely by eliminating the statutory language prohibiting negotiation for lowest drug prices under Medicare Part D, instead mandating them. At that point, the Medicare program should come down HARD on big pharma and get at LEAST as low a price as the VA. THAT particular (INSANE!) provision was a "poison pill" planted by Bush/Cheney to attack the fiscal health of Medicare, with the intention of killing Medicare itself. (Bastards!)
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Go through the side door to reaffirm and strengthen the program. When the Republicans resist.....well...lookie everybody.
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)Things like that are why I would want to see details; I know there are savings that could benefit the programs greatly.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)The only thing he has promised to stick to is the top tax rate. Well that is virtually nothing because almost none of the 0.1% income is taxed at the top rate. The big items are the Cap Gains at 20% (Clinton) versus 15% (Bush) and dividends taxes as ordinary income (Clinton) or 15% (Bush). Obama hasn't said a peep about these things, but they make up the lion's share of the $1.6 trillion. And Obama has not promised to keep them in place.
We is going to give away most of that $1.6 Tn.
But I have to give him a little credit. At least this time, he didn't give it away before the negotiations even started. I guess that is an improvement for him.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Also I would be the first one to volunteer to clean up the Winger's mess after their heads explode.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Details at 11:00.
Julie
freshwest
(53,661 posts)sheshe2
(83,746 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Oooh, that was gross! myself!!!
Cha
(297,154 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Stick to your guns.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Maynar
(769 posts)More than you can know.
But the shrieks of "Socialism!" will abound, and make the going tough.
No reason not to do it, though. When the going gets tough, and all that.
Do it, Mr President. It needs to be done.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)Suck on that, Mitch-man, photo op man!
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)SnoopDog
(2,422 posts)The WaPo article never says what the dailylkos post states...????
For instance and most importantly, the article never states 'He also proposed $340 billion in health-care and entitlement savings..."
I don't know if WaPo changed their article or the dailykos person copied some other article...
Here is what the article states; "Obamas 2013 budget sought to reduce borrowing over the next 10 years by about $4 trillion, counting $1.1 trillion in agency cuts already in force. In addition to raising taxes, Obama proposed to slice $340 billion from health-care programs and to count about $1 trillion in savings from ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. "
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-to-open-fiscal-talks-with-plan-to-raise-taxes-on-wealthy/2012/11/13/9984cd78-2dc1-11e2-89d4-040c9330702a_story_1.html
Anybody know what is going on with this?
Why would they include the 'entitlement' part?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)And Social Security... we know where that's going.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)for only one segment of the population. Edited to add that I feel pretty uncomfortable about this. I'm ok with paying more taxes, but everybody needs to pay more. Raising taxes on only one segment of the population really is class warfare.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)than many in the middle class?
Is that class warfare?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Good politicians don't come cheap you know.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)The main reason is because capital gains is taxed at a much lower rate than ordinary income. However, the 15% capital gains rate is available to all people. I pay 15% on my capital gains just like Warren Buffet does on his. The fairest solution would be to treat capital gains as ordinary income. We would all pay more, but the rich would likely pay a lot more.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)60 years ago, the wealthiest Americans paid roughly 50% of their incomes in federal taxes while the median worker paid about 7%. And the economy was booming for everyone.
Today, the wealthiest and the median both pay around 15%. Upper-middle income workers pay upwards of 25%. And the economy is a catastrophe. I (and Warren Buffet) believe that this is all the result of decades of class warfare by the wealthy against everyone else, and it should be undone. I'm not sure that undoing it should, itself, be considered class warfare.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)Capital gains should be taxed at the same rate as income.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Figuring out who should pay what is admittedly more of an art than a science, but it only stands to reason that people with higher incomes are going to have to pay higher rates.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)I'm arguing that raising both the tax rate and limiting deductions on only one group of people amounts to class warfare in my mind. Many people tend to forget that the Bush tax cuts, while benefitting the rich disproportionately, cut taxes on all incomes. I would be ok with simply doing away will all of the Bush tax cuts at all income levels.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10021812763
Reality bites!
Whee!
AllyCat
(16,177 posts)And the fiscal cliff and the grand bargain and, and , and.....what other scary things? I forgot.