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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:54 PM

 

Tin-Foil Hat Time: By my count, at least five senior generals

and admirals have been demoted, fired or forced to step down just in the past month:

Admiral Charles Gaouette - http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2328294
General Carter Ham - http://www.westernjournalism.com/general-in-benghazi-scandal-suddenly-retires/
General William Ward - http://thegrio.com/2012/11/13/general-william-kid-ward-demoted-for-lavish-travel-spending/
General John Allen - http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-john-allen-petraeus-jill-kelley-20121113,0,5237129.story
General David Petraeus (Retired from U.S. Army and currently was serving as CIA Director)

This is truly some scary shit. I'm wondering if we dodged the bullet of a military coup d'etat and, if true, whom we should be thanking (besides President Obama).

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Reply Tin-Foil Hat Time: By my count, at least five senior generals (Original post)
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 OP
Whovian Nov 2012 #1
HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #2
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #3
w8liftinglady Nov 2012 #5
aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2012 #16
SidDithers Nov 2012 #35
leftyohiolib Nov 2012 #8
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #11
Horse with no Name Nov 2012 #4
railsback Nov 2012 #6
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #7
Cleita Nov 2012 #9
AntiFascist Nov 2012 #36
Zen Democrat Nov 2012 #10
voteearlyvoteoften Nov 2012 #12
Lucinda Nov 2012 #13
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #17
Lucinda Nov 2012 #18
Generic Brad Nov 2012 #37
Lucinda Nov 2012 #38
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #22
Lucinda Nov 2012 #39
AngryAmish Nov 2012 #14
backscatter712 Nov 2012 #15
butterfly77 Nov 2012 #24
dsc Nov 2012 #19
kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #20
backscatter712 Nov 2012 #26
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #21
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #23
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #28
backscatter712 Nov 2012 #27
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #25
morningfog Nov 2012 #32
pa28 Nov 2012 #29
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #30
pa28 Nov 2012 #31
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #33
jwirr Nov 2012 #34

Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:56 PM

1. I'll throw some tin foil on for this. Want to see how it all plays out. nt

 

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:58 PM

2. I see zero evidence of a coup...

Just a bunch of military brass who thought they were too big to fail.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:01 PM

3. Admittedly, I have zero evidence and, if I had any, I would

 

probably not be posting on DU.

Just a weird coincidence of timing, I suppose.

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Response to w8liftinglady (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:15 PM

16. The article is quoting Gordon Duff, a UFO conspiracy theorist

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/20/ufo-disclosure-gordon-duff-on-coast-to-coast-with-george-noory/

Maybe there are other sources of evidence, but this guy may or may not be a credible source. This whole Petraeus affair is pretty weird already.

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:02 PM

35. Gordon Duff is an anti-Semitic holocaust-denier...

Anyone using anything by Duff might want to check for a different source.

Sid

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:16 PM

8. " I have zero evidence" the herman cane qualifier

 

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:25 PM

11. LOL- You got me! :) - n/t

 

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:05 PM

4. I honestly don't know how this plays out and I don't want to disparage

good men's names...

However...there was a command change at MacDill AFB in June and the former base commander was sent to be the Deputy Commanding General for the Special Operations Joint Task Force-Afghanistan, NATO Special Operations Component Command- Afghanistan, Kabul, Afghanistan.

Isn't that with Petraeus?

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:15 PM

6. Patraeus isn't getting any credit where credit is due

 

His infidelity was discovered a while back. He knew it. Other people knew it. Him submitting his resignation before the election would have set the Right off. Gawd, could you imagine the mayhem that would have been unleashed: Obama hates the military, Obama fires war hero, and on and on and on.

Patraeus did us all a favor by not making it a political land mine.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:16 PM

7. I'm seeing housecleaning more than a coup

The military's doing pretty well with things as they are; there's no incentive to seize power considering the scope of the mess that would create.

I can totally see this as a post-election cleanup though, especially if a lot of this stuff was known beforehand. The timing's a bit cynical, but if I were the president's campaign advisory droneunit I would suggest stuff like this happen after election day rather than before.

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:19 PM

9. Me too. Also, it seems those getting the door are holdover

neo-cons from the Bush administration. They probably should have been cleared out years ago.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:33 PM

36. Agreed! n/t

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:24 PM

10. What I find interesting is that the investigation began in June.

And the media is telling us the Dave and Paula affair ended 4 months ago -- which is July. So they were still getting it on when they were slapped by this. It's not as if the affair ended because either of them had any morals or ethics -- they were CAUGHT!

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:43 PM

12. My tin foul theory

Double agents?
The old school way to get men in power to give up secrets or compromise their integrity, eading to blackmail.
I normally stick with Occams razor but there seems to be missing pieces in this story.
Like I said this is tinfoil and hopefully hot sex was the end game.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:47 PM

13. I believe that General Ham's movement is just a normal rotation, and

General Allen is actually in line for a promotion (pending clearance of this email stuff)

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:27 PM

17. Allen's promotion, to succeed Patreus is "delayed" now

"Obama has put that nomination on hold, National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said Tuesday, while urging the Senate to "act swiftly" on his nomination of Gen. Joseph Dunford to succeed Allen as commander in Afghanistan."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/13/john-allen-investigated-emails-petraeus-jill-kelley/1701651/

because of Allen's role in married woman and emails.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:30 PM

18. Yawp. That's why I said pending clearance. The news coming out now

is saying that they aren't finding any improper conduct (so far anyway)

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:38 PM

37. 30,000 e-mails doesn't leave a lot of time to devote to work

Just saying.

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Response to Generic Brad (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:01 AM

38. It wasn't 30k emails. They already walked that back.

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:56 PM

22. According to the link in my OP, Ham is resigning years short

 

of the mandatory retirement age. Don't think that qualifies as 'normal rotation':

"Is it payback or just shame? General Carter Ham, the combatant commander of Africa Command and a key figure in the Benghazi scandal, is retiring from the Army years short of the mandatory retirement age, according to the Washington Times."

OTOH, source is Moonie Washington Times, so who knows?

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:04 AM

39. We didn't have the same source, and I didn't keep the link. My source said

his leaving that specific post was the normal time frame of rotation out of the position. I'll pop in a link if I run across it again.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:49 PM

14. I think we have been at war too long

People have been pushed way past their limits. They are starting to go nuts.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:02 PM

15. Yep. Heads are rolling now that the GOP's October Surprise (aka Benghazi) blew up in their faces.

And heads should be rolling.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:03 PM

24. Yep...

I just saw Rep.Peter King a few hours ago and his enthusiam seems to be gone. Now,time for Cantor,Ryan,Henserling who is just as bad and thinks he can hide his hands after he throws some dirt. My main target McConnell.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:30 PM

19. arguably this is a long time coming

I was listening to a fascinating interview on NPR about how in WW2 generals and other officers were routinely relieved of command when they weren't doing a good job and given other duties that better fit their skills. Unlike today being relieved of command wasn't a career ender. Now we can have a war prosecuted incompetently as Iraq was with no general getting punished at all.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:30 PM

20. I heard Petraeus is a Dominionist. How about the others? Anybody know?

Dominionists are snakes and need to be hunted down and removed from all branches of the service (AND government).

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:03 PM

26. Yes, he personally pushed the Spiritual Fitness program on the army.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:33 PM

21. You forgot about Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Sinclair

who stepped down a few weeks ago:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014296249


not that these cases are related; i just wanted to add that one

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:59 PM

23. Sinclair was a Brigadier General. Not sure that's high enough, although

 

the shit hit the fan with him starting in May and he commanded the 82nd Airborne.

Thanks for the annotation, btw.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:09 PM

28. One or four that is a general officer

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:04 PM

27. The Jeffery Sinclair from Babylon 5 was much cooler! n/t

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:16 PM

25. Has Allen stepped down?

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:29 PM

32. Not yet. But, his promotion has been stayed and the confirmation of

his replacement sped up.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:02 PM

29. I've never seen anything quite like it.

Something rotten is lurking just below the surface and it smells of Fox news, Eric Cantor, Carter Ham and David Petraeus.

I want this investigated and the principles questioned.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:42 PM

30. Each time I think I understand the scope and severity of the matter, some new

 

tidbit comes to the surface.

I suppose this is what comes about when a democratic republic declines to an plutocratic empire and converts its military from an arm of the people into a Praetorian Guard. I would like to see Obama address the nation about this at some point although I recognize that's a vain hope.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:24 PM

31. I know what you mean.

At this point I'd say it's possible that high ranking people in the military were willing to sabotage the president over the Bengazi incident. That might explain the firings but we won't know for sure until the issue is investigated and made public.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:31 PM

33. I hope if there were high-ranking people in the military willing and trying to

 

sabotage the President that his fixers squish them like bugs. I don't even need to know the specific details.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:57 PM

34. Are these generals all bushies appointees?

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