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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:52 PM

This is Seven Days In May, not "creative speculation"...

(Please) don't for one second tell me that all of this was a random series of events which happened to coincide with the election. The onion (and not the publication) has not begun to unpeel, and we've come across all kinds of famously unsavory characters whom we know from all the usual Obama-hating venues. I am old enough to remember that when Watergate occurred, and I was part of a real Left movement, not the faux-Left which exists today, many people pooh-poohed the idea that it was more than a burglary by a bunch of miscreants who may or may not have had ties to the White House at one time. And these were my compatriots. The Middle and Right of the country wanted to see it off the pages of the papers and Newsweek as fast as possible. And for good reason. The only thing which kept it alive was the insiders' dreams of getting rid of Nixon for their own nefarious reasons and purposes.

So it goes with this: something big was in the works, and it was thwarted. This had everything to do with the election of President Obama and nothing to do with sex or wife-swapping. This had to do with an attempted coup as executed by the conglomerate consisting of the billionaires, the Rove machine, and some treasonous "folks", as the previous president used to call them in the military.

I believe that both the President and Romney knew about this from obviously different sources, and the famous Romney press conference was staged and part of the plan. For several reasons, some of which we know, some of which we may guess, and some which will probably never be known, the coup fell apart. I understand why some will be skeptical of this hypothesis, but as far as I am concerned, one is going to have to prove ot me that this, or some version of this did not occur.

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Reply This is Seven Days In May, not "creative speculation"... (Original post)
PCIntern Nov 2012 OP
navarth Nov 2012 #1
David Zephyr Nov 2012 #6
navarth Nov 2012 #100
excringency Nov 2012 #54
navarth Nov 2012 #102
GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #114
Squinch Nov 2012 #139
ewagner Nov 2012 #151
Whovian Nov 2012 #2
villager Nov 2012 #3
MOMFUDSKI Nov 2012 #47
villager Nov 2012 #50
calimary Nov 2012 #55
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #60
ReRe Nov 2012 #84
2naSalit Nov 2012 #132
JustAnotherGen Nov 2012 #141
1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #4
PCIntern Nov 2012 #20
1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #34
PCIntern Nov 2012 #36
1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #42
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #53
2naSalit Nov 2012 #80
PCIntern Nov 2012 #85
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lalalu Nov 2012 #38
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librechik Nov 2012 #9
lalalu Nov 2012 #43
sandyshoes17 Nov 2012 #51
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lalalu Nov 2012 #83
R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #127
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lalalu Nov 2012 #144
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #133
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R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #143
PCIntern Nov 2012 #146
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GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #10
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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:54 PM

1. That's funny because I had been thinking of Gen. James Matoon Scott as I read this

One of Burt Lancaster's greatest roles IMO

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Response to navarth (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:58 PM

6. Me, too. I thought it would only futher reveal how ancient I am.

navarth, you were not alone. Great book, too.

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Response to David Zephyr (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:15 PM

100. ancient??? nah.

It just shows what discriminating taste in movies you have.

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Response to navarth (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:44 PM

54. Me as well,

but I also thought of David Petraeus' antithesis, Smedley Butler.

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Response to excringency (Reply #54)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:18 PM

102. ah....Smedley Butler....

y'know I once sent a letter to George Clooney asking him to make a movie of the Smedley Butler story. With Clooney's history of making important historical accounts like 'Good Night and Good Luck', and 'The Good German', he would be a natural to make a fine film/cautionary tale about Butler.

Alas, the letter came back undeliverable. Too bad.

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Response to navarth (Reply #102)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:43 PM

114. Call SAG/AFTRA and get Clooney's agent's name

The agent can forward mail to him(whether they will or not is the big question).

Sounds like a good idea for a movie.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #114)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:22 PM

139. It really does, except that the guy's name was Smedley. That's a tough one to get past.

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Response to excringency (Reply #54)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:47 AM

151. me too....

Smedley Butler, if I recall, was approached by some millionaires to assist in overthrowing FDR...but he turned on them and reported their efforts....

the parallel which could be drawn here are staggering...and worse yet...it is the ancestors and heirs of the same people involved...

probably not true...


probably

maybe not true

maybe

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:54 PM

2. There is much yet unseen.

 

It's going to be an interesting year.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:55 PM

3. What was the thing that was planned, PC? Benghazi? Something else?

And then who is derailing Petraeus as a result of the putative putsch's failure?

not saying you're wrong -- at all (having grown up with a lot of bogus "lone nut" stories foisted on me and the rest of the public). Just trying to figure out what's going on.

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Response to villager (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:08 PM

47. Carter

I think that the general was part of an inside plan to make Obama look like Carter. Remember Reagan ordered the hostages to be held until after the election? Carter lost. I think they were trying to 'carterize' Obama and he knows it and the stuff is just beginning to hit the proverbial fan.

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Response to MOMFUDSKI (Reply #47)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:23 PM

50. Good guess, Momfudski. They've had success with treason before

-- going back to Nixon's interference in the Vietnamese peace talks, so why wouldn't they use it again?

And welcome to DU!

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Response to MOMFUDSKI (Reply #47)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:57 PM

55. Welcome to DU, MOMFUDSKI!

Glad you're here! Nothing's too clear now, but CONSIDER THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED!!! Just remember the kinds of things they're capable of. kkkarl rove learned his shit at the knee of lee atwater, the un-dear departed RNC chair who was a true dirty trickster - I think he learned it at the knee of charles colson and the rest of the Watergaters. They practiced and staunchly believed in the political Dark Arts. They stopped at NOTHING to make sure they'd win. Crime? HAH! Who cared? Winning was the ONLY thing that mattered. Besides, if our side gets in, all investigations are canceled and even if not, we all get pardons!

I don't know why, but it always seems as though the sneaky, illegal, immoral stuff mostly seems to happen to GOPers. Mostly. I realize there are Dems who are guilty of nogoodnik-ism and over-ambition. But even our worst compare to their worst like a grain of aquarium gravel compares to a brick. I wouldn't put it past some of these fiends to try anything and everything they thought they might be able to get away with.

I remember when little monica goodling testified before Congress how she'd "crossed the line" from legal to illegal during the bush/cheney years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Goodling

I think it was she who also recalled, during testimony, how when they were all brand new in their jobs, their main focus was "how do we get around the laws/rules/regs" to do what we want to do anyway? I remember hearing that and thinking - "and WHY can you not accept the rules that are ON THE BOOKS, and give up trying to violate them so much? WHY are you so unwilling to follow the letter of the law when it's not part of your evil little political sneaky-ass hit-job agenda?

These republi-CONS - they're ALWAYS up to something. If they're republi-CON, COUNT ON IT. Take it to the bank. They're prepared to do ANYTHING to win, legal or not. Sneaking, conniving, lying, distorting, dirty tricks, bribes, cheating, cutting corners, breaking the rules, violating the law. Is THAT what they mean by "freedom"? Is THAT the "freedom" they're always yowling about that our side is supposedly hell-bent on taking away from them? THAT kind of "freedom"? Thank God that sometimes they're stopped. For all their protestations about how Christian and moral they are and how important their "morals" are - they are the MOST UN-Christian and amoral individuals ever to suck air off our planet.

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Response to calimary (Reply #55)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:15 PM

60. Never forget: PRESCOTT BUSH.

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Response to calimary (Reply #55)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:16 PM

84. Don't EVEN get me started!

... and I won't, because I have to go live life for a while. Does PO or AGHolder have what it takes to get to the bottom of this? I bet you the Senate crack staff investigators are busy as little bees, probably since Romney came out on the night of the attack on Sep 11 with that smerk on his face and snide remarks. Yeah, they both knew something when they came to that first debate. Maybe that explains PO's demeanor that night? My mind is going wild with scenarios. Whew, is this the wingers "Waterloo"?

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Response to ReRe (Reply #84)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:37 PM

132. Here's

CNN's compilation of the events that they know to date (Wed, 11/14, am) with lots of videos and a timeline as they know it.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/14/us/petraeus-allen-investigation/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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Response to calimary (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:32 PM

141. Well said - very well said

Something smells absolutely rotten . . .

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:56 PM

4. Okay ...

so there was a coup (military?) planned that was dependant on a stolen election?



Please spell out what you are saying. Thanks.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:25 PM

20. How would I know?

Do I look like Eric Cantor?

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:43 PM

34. Oh, sorry ...

I thought you had more to offer than "creative speculation" ... You usually do.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:47 PM

36. Yes I usually do...

but USUALLY, I don't read about generals ivolved with women involved with FBI agents involved with House Majority Leader's employees involved with...

You get my point...

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:58 PM

42. No ...

I don't. That is the point of my posts.

If you suspect there was an attempted coup, say so. Expand on it!

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:39 PM

53. No, I don't get your point

You said it was not 'creative speculation', and now you say you've no idea what happened, ie you're speculating. Are you just saying you're not creative?

What 'famous press conference' are you talking about, anyway?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #53)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:06 PM

80. I think it's

in reference to R$'s little not-so-surprising late-night surprise press conference that blew up in his face because he was out there with bedroom hair spouting off about something that hadn't actually happened yet but had more than enough blustering BS to spew about something he knew little to nothing about. Although he was on script about events that ended up playing out differently than the script which made him a laughing-stock instead. That press conference.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #80)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:25 PM

85. Yes, exactly. Nt

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #80)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:28 AM

120. Something definitely smells in Denmark

or Benghazi. I think you are close to the "mark". I remember thinking when Rmoney pulled that "all too soon press conference" before an actual official statement by the State Department or the President was made, something was up. I thought he had to be either the most stupid presidential candidate of all time, or he knows something. My gut instinct tells me it was the latter.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:14 PM

99. A stolen election is a form of coup d'etat.

Instead of military goons storming the White House, it's more politic to make some pretense of legitimacy through vote suppression, hacking voting machines, stuffing the ballot box, and giving a push by trying to Carterize Obama by making Benghazi into Obama's Iran Hostage Crisis.

Thankfully, that plot backfired on the GOP, so just pick up a bowl of popcorn and enjoy the show as Obama starts taking scalps...

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:56 PM

5. Ok. I'll play. How does the Benghazi attack work in with your theory?

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:00 PM

7. K&R for PCIntern.

Seven Days in May. It hit me that way, too. Scary.

We are so fortunate to have President Obama in the White House.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:00 PM

8. Ok, I promise not to use the word "creative"

I reserve the rights for use of speculation, speculative, and the as yet invoked wild-assed guess, which I'll hold in reserve...

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:01 PM

9. if so, it is the most dunderheaded and incompetent military/CIA operation ever

what was the goal again? To embarrass a bunch of Republican connected generals with their peccadillos and email affairs? Or are you saying those generals were trying a military coup but got taken down by Andrea Mitchell?

I don't get it. Who gets hurt, who gets the benefit?

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Response to librechik (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:58 PM

43. There is no benefit because Romney lost.

 

That is why it fell apart and was exposed after President Obama won. If Romney won the republicans were going to bring charges against Obama and members of his staff over Benghazi. Guess who would have been the star witness for the republicans at the hearings and spinning whatever story they told him to spin?

Yes it is speculation but for those connecting the dots it is not too farfetched.

If you think having a woman in a high position to help republicans even at the expense of the country is farfetched then just remember one name - Judith Miller. It also involved the CIA, her outing an agent, and jeopardizing the lives of innocent people.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #43)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:32 PM

51. +1

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Response to lalalu (Reply #43)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:34 PM

67. But Romney's "satan grin" press conference suggests that it was something that was

supposed to blow before the election and GET him elected, don't you think?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #67)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:12 PM

83. Romney is stupid and arrogant.

 

I believe one of the reasons even republicans were upset with his conference was because he was getting ahead of things. They had a timeline planned and they didn't want him blowing it.

The plan depended on Romney being elected first and republicans winning more seats. They really believed that was going to happen. Just another reason Rove had a breakdown and remember there are photos of Broadwell with Rove. Just saying the way i see it.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:19 PM

127. Speculation.

I find that hard to swallow. If Obama had lost then there would be no need to discredit him or his cabinet. He'd be out in January.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #127)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:23 PM

128. Broadwell has now confessed to taking and having documents.

 

No one still believes this was just about an affair.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #128)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:32 PM

142. You even say that you are speculating.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1808397

If Broadwell has now confessed to taking and having documents I would like to see how he investigation proceeds...since there being in possession of stolen or gifted government docs is looked upon dimly, but the GOP doesn't spend resources it doesn't have to with investigations that may not go anywhere.

It was a fluke that they got Clinton, and if he had just kept i in his pants then the Whitewater investigation would have sunk the GOP in the 2000 election.

If Romney won then the point of investigating Obama or Hillary would be moot. They would try to swiftboat her in 2016.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #142)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:37 PM

144. Speculation that is being backed up

 

by emerging information.

No it would not be moot because they are consumed with hate. They wanted to bring charges against President Obama to destroy his legacy. Even now they are still bringing up the nonsense of impeachment. Even now Romney and Ryan are spewing racist garbage. They are sick people filled with so much hate they allied themselves with loathsome people and it backfired.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #127)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:39 PM

133. Republicans play a long game. There's, ahem, Hillary.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #133)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:35 PM

137. Connecting some dots anyone?

Crap, I hit enter too soon.

What I have found today. One is a relationship map with a friend of the fmr genrl's only friend in his relationship map... someone was asking if gen DP was involved with PNAC... he had some close connections to it, like two steps away

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=304897


Then there was the question about Hillary and her stance. In the article, though long, a number of dots are connected as well as support for some of our speculations...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=304840

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #133)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:37 PM

143. All I see is speculation and nothing concrete.


There's Hillary, but there's also reality. If there is a scandal then it is on the Republican side, and they just want it to go away. That's what should be investigated.

Who knew what and when did they know it? What kind of docs did Pretraus give to his honey pot and why? Why didn't Cantor inform Feinstein of any revelations about the case?

If there was a need to hie a special prosecutor to look into the mater then President Obama should ask Holder to initiate the process in hiring one.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #143)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:48 PM

146. If you're an Asimov fan as one can discern from your screen name

You would be familiar with the language of the Foundation trilogy and thus my motto

It pays to be obvious but only if you have the reputation for subtlety.

Generally I'm a little more subtle.

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Response to librechik (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:17 PM

61. Bay of Pigs, anyone? Up-thread: Carterization of Obama = No 2nd term.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:03 PM

10. Hate to burst your Bubble ...

But it's November.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:03 PM

95. the plot took place in October, and is related to Benghazi

I'll go so far as to wonder who it was who funded the movie that was believed to be the cause of the riots...who did the translated youtube version?

I'm cynical enough to believe they could have tried to deliberately trigger unrest and it spun out of control when it led to the murder of Ambassador Stevens. I have considered that a possibility all along.

The intent, as discussed elsewhere here, to "Carterize" the President. I think they wanted to do more than make him a one-termer. I think they wanted to destroy any and all legacy...to make sure we all got the loud and clear message about who controls this country and who is appropriate to live in the white house.

Assassination these days would be too obvious. But character assassination, prison if possible, to teach those uppity nigras a lesson.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:04 PM

11. I don't, for a minute, think this is about sex.

I am not ready to speculate as far as you have but this whole thing stinks. Top Brass, CIA, FBI, Cantor, etc. Whether it's providing secret info to republican media stalwarts, election influence, coup, I don't know, but it is not about sex.

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Response to Bonhomme Richard (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:23 PM

64. But it seems to involve blackmail over sex as a side issue.

Usually when these guys resign over a sexual matter, they say they are resigning for "personal reasons" and then the girlfriend/boyfriend information comes out later, if at all.

Petraeus, oddly, came right out with it. It seems like it was done to neutralize any hold someone might have had over him. His secret is out and now it can't be held over his head.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #64)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:39 PM

70. Maybe it just unravelled over a petty womans jealousy.

Bigger plots have fallen apart over less. You can count on money, patriotism, greed, power, and other motivators to manipulate a scenario forward. The one thing you can't count on are a humans pride and what seemingly minor issue that can trigger it causing the collapse of all the planning.

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Response to Bonhomme Richard (Reply #70)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:47 PM

73. Yes, and I think it probably did, but I also think that Petraeus has enough supporters that

he would have been allowed to just resign and claim "personal reasons" if there were no more to the story than that. Instead he comes out in the press conference with "I'm resigning because I had an affair."

I think the shit hit the fan when the mistress went loony on the other woman, but that could have been kept quiet. Petraeus himself is the one who revealed it. I don't know if it's significant, but I find it very unusual.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #64)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:09 PM

97. or outing the affair is cover for the real reason for the resignation

It's a sideshow that the media will happily run with.

The real reason being closer maybe to treason ?

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #97)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:29 PM

112. After 37 "faithful" years a guy has an affair? That's the first aspect that smells funny to me.

all that is subsequently coming out just reinforces my skepticism.

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Response to mulsh (Reply #112)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:21 PM

138. But there seems to be a culture revealing itself of the old men and their

acolyte girls. I wouldn't put money on that 37 years of faithfulness.

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Response to mulsh (Reply #112)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:51 AM

153. Why do you think this is his first affair?

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Response to mulsh (Reply #112)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:06 AM

154. Bwah! I'm SURE Broadwell is his one and only--NOT.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:06 PM

12. Actually, you have

stated an opinion, and I have absolutely no obligation to "prove" a damned thing to you. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

It is you who need to substantiate this opinion with some facts if you expect anyone to be other than "skeptical."

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Response to billh58 (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:38 PM

31. You can be as skeptical as you want...

that's your privilege.

I am skeptical as to what I hear from the dissemblers in the Rethug Party and those responsible for ensuring the safety of our Nation, including, but not limited to, those who told us of WMD's presence in Iraq "without question". So I have to be shown that it is only about sex. That is my prvilege as a thinking human being who has endured a lifetime of GOP lying.

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:46 PM

72. I agree - the sex is the sideshow

Can't wait for this to unravel.

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:56 PM

75. I don't have a clue

what you have "heard" or think that you have heard, and you may be correct in your assumption that this is some gigantic conspiracy theory gone wrong.

I tend to believe that the FBI sat on this until after the election (for reasons known only to them), and that the relationship between the General and the "other woman" may or may not have been purely sexual. I just honestly do not have enough evidence or information to make an informed guess at what the real story may be, and I doubt very much that either the MSM or Congress does either.

I also tend to believe that Occam's Razor applies to most occurrences, barring contradictory evidence.

Peace...

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:08 PM

13. There is way too much to be dismissed at a coincidence

and Geraldo was BEGGING fux to stop talking about "Been-Gauzy".

We do still remember Kennedy don't we? Bay of Pigs?

And to think that with many of the same cast of characters in the shadows that the same wouldn't happen again is naivety.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:09 PM

14. Just posted this on another thread.

Reply #20
In the discussion thread: Attempted Military Coup D'etat
10:59 AM
Mme. Defarge
20. My (current) theory ...


Benghazi was the October Surprise. It went terribly wrong.

The bad information fed to State was deliberate.

Romney was all over it the moment the story broke. And, it was true, it would not have happened had he been POTUS.

Obama knew exactly what was going on by the time of the second debate, and was daring Romney to "go there" when he said "Please proceed, Governor." Obama was not taunting Mitt because he knew he was leading him into a semantic trap. Romney pounced on what he believed was a (forced) blunder by the president. Obama's "gotcha" moment over wording was just the way it played out in the debate.

Hillary, and also Bill, understood what had gone down. This might have fueled Bill's passion in campaigning for Obama.

The exposure and humiliation of the general is the beginning of the great retribution.

IMO

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:20 PM

103. agreed.

I think they were behind the movie too. It was intended to trigger unrest, both as cover for attack and as distraction/lies to be fed to the administration as cause.

I think everything spun out of control with Ambassador Stevens killed. That, as pcintern wrote above, Romney was "on script" with his smirky press announcement, but events themselves had gone off script. Hence the backfire; that Romney came off looking like the creepy thug he is, dancing on the Ambassador's grave, and it blew up in his face.

So they did the ol' management trick of letting it go for a couple weeks, and then coming up with a new reason to try to blame Obama for Benghazi. And that failed to take hold, and then came Sandy to obliterate their plans.

I dread to think what would have happened had the succeeded. I think we all dodged a bullet, and that includes the President.

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:26 PM

105. 2 questions. 1st: Why would their "October surprise" come in early September? And 2nd...

are you actually postulating that the CIA planned the attack on the US consulate? Really? US spooks plotting the murder of a US ambassador? Outright treason seems like a stretch, unless you have a few more dots connected that you're not sharing with us.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #105)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:03 AM

147. Iran Contra vignette:

Lews Tambs, right-wing ambassador to Colombia under Reagan, pissed the Medellin Cartel off by actually opposing drug production and smuggling. He was transferred to Costa Rica, and the Cartel had a reward out for his assassination.

CBS News reporter Leslie Cockburn (from '60 Minutes' and 'West 57th St." reported in her '87 book 'Out of Control' that our right-wing off-the-shelf rogue intel operation (that was exposed in the Iran-Contra scandal) had a false-flag operation planned to assassinate Tambs and pin it on the Sandinista government next door to Costa Rica. Thereby collecting the Cartel's reward, keeping the drug and gun smuggling operations safe, and creating an international incident pretext to go to war in Nicaragua.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #105)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:40 AM

150. "October Surprise" is just what it's named; not a fixed date

The plan may have been simply to ignite civil unrest in the ME, which spun out of control.

Or it may have included an attack on the consulate, with the demonstrations and riots as a smoke screen.

There is an awful lot of smoke being blown right now.

We do know that 1%er Mitt Romney said something to the effect of needing a terrorist event to boost his election chances, IIRC back on his 47% tape.

We do know that some known and some unknown people made a disgusting, insulting movie and pushed it in the ME, knowing full well the result would be demonstrations, riots and possible attacks and killings.

We do know there is a photo linking Rove and Broadwell from an event this past summer.

We do know Broadwell had large numbers of classified documents stored in her home, as well as links to various CIA operatives.

We do know that the CIA, the MIC and numerous RWers have been involved in treasonous activities in the past.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #150)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:48 AM

152. I did notice

The MSM never picked up on the rove pic, also the story moved to kelley after the pic surfaced.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:09 PM

15. there sure is a lot more to all this than we are told

even tho new info is coming out almost hourly, I don't think we'll ever know the whole part of it.

but yeh, Romney's presser about Benghazi was so out of place, every alarm bell rang for that one - and yours is as good a reason as any.

let's remember these are the scum of the earth people we are dealing with - mass murderers and grand thieves. Anything is possible.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:18 PM

16. add in the Drudge tease about an upcoming sex scandal...

....and then the quick pivot to Menendez.

Something went down.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:20 PM

17. Movies are not real.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:21 PM

18. This post was alerted on. Tick Tock!

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Response to ohiosmith (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:23 PM

19. lol. seriously?

some people are no fun at all.

large sticks up their large stick holders.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:28 PM

22. Yep! I'll post the results if the thread isn't locked.

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Response to ohiosmith (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:29 PM

23. Probably because it dances a bit close to the conspiracy theory line

which is of course, against DU GD rules.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:26 PM

21. Dulles had in end for JFK and his

threat to break up the CIA

Smedley Butler proved that conspiracies are real.

Anyone that trusts these bloated budget busting departments are either a fool
or an idiot.No one wants to lose power.


Iran Contra proved that the CIA and military
were involved in some treasonous actions.



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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:35 PM

28. +1

Got that right, ICC...

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:31 PM

24. There is a photo floating around - of Romney - right after his Benghazi press conference

and he's smiling. It was taken after he turned away from the press pool. Creepy. And very suspicious considering the content of his remarks.

I started paying closer attention after that.

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:48 AM

117. Creepy picture of Romney smiling at presser

This:

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Response to demhottie (Reply #117)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:59 AM

118. Yep. That's it. He was just talking about 4 people being murdered.

And yet, he's smiling as he walks away.
That's not right on sooo many levels.

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Response to demhottie (Reply #117)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:27 PM

129. He appears to have

a self-satisfied look on his face as if feeling confident that he just left a big pile of poo on PBO's desk. He had no real compassion for any of those people, psychopath that he is, and even went so far as to start talking about one of the former seals as though they were good friends. His story was quickly debunked and rebuked by family and real friends of the man. The seal's mom demanded that R$ stop using her son as a political prop and he kept doing it for a week or so. What a pile of poo HE is!



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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:32 PM

25. Alert update! The jury voted 4/2 to let this post stand!

At Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:10 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

This is Seven Days In May, not "creative speculation"...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021807810

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Poster is claiming Petraeus scandal is not a regular scandal but an attempted coup which was thwarted. Not only the title of the message but the last two paragraphs explicitly describe this as a failed coup against the President. That is simply preposterous. This is literally "crazy talk".

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:30 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Many of us who lived through the 60s and 70s know that the government is capable of great deception and great stupidity. Leave the post.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I think this is one that should have been alerted to hosts instead of to a jury. It's a SoP issue, not a ToS issue.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: I wasn't really sure where we should draw the line on these speculative theories, but this here looks like a pretty good place to do just that.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to ohiosmith (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:35 PM

27. I was on the jury too, i voted to let it stay.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:37 PM

30. Me too! I was juror #1

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Response to ohiosmith (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:45 PM

35. I can't believe someone put an alert on this.

 

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Response to ohiosmith (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:50 PM

40. "crazy talk"

That's how Watergate and Iran-Contra were initially defended/deflected.

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Response to ohiosmith (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:07 PM

46. sheesh

Why are people so alert-happy? You don't like what someone's saying? Argue it out! Convince with words.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #46)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:02 PM

77. Part of the answer is that the anonymity protects those who foolishly overly-alert so that they

 

are never held accountable.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #77)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:26 PM

86. if the TOS was checked then MIRT knows who it is.

I think that's how it works.

if ToS isn't checked, then no one knows who the alerter is.

correct me if I am wrong but this is how I believe it works.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #86)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:28 PM

87. Somehow I don't think that the MIRT knowledge with respect to identities is shared with others.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #87)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:33 PM

89. I just looked in the Forum and Group Hosts folder and there was a SOP alert as well

those are listed and I see who alerted as a SoP.

I guess there was a ToS as well...

anyway, good that the thread will stand.

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Response to ohiosmith (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:10 PM

48. "regular scandal"?





Sorry, I don't know why that struck me as funny...

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:33 PM

26. Sounds like the Business Plot of 1934

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler#Allegations_of_the_Business_Plot

Brig. Gen. Smedley Butler brought this plot to attention of Congress. The Congressional committee was able to confirm some of the details, but noone was ever prosecuted. I wonder if there was a counterpart to Butler in this case?

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:36 PM

29. There was an attempt during FDR in the thirties

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Response to still_one (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:43 PM

71. Wow! I never heard about that before! And it was TRUE!

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Response to Squinch (Reply #71)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:09 PM

135. DU is the best place to learn real history

our collective brain is Huge.

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #135)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:25 PM

140. Seriously!

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:40 PM

32. is Petraeus the target of this plot?

or is he a co-conspirator?

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Response to Enrique (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:29 PM

65. or a pawn n/t

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Response to Randomthought (Reply #65)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:59 PM

76. I'm betting pawn.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #76)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:32 PM

88. I'm betting coconspirator.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #88)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:10 PM

98. You're on! Think we'll ever learn the truth?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #98)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:39 PM

113. I honestly don't know

But I sure hope we do... decisively and not an explanation with too many dangling participles to leave us wondering for the next 70 to 90 years.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #88)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:43 AM

116. I say co-conspirator too

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:41 PM

33. I feel similar and have posted so.

 

I do believe that President Obama getting reelected helped to put an end to it. What scares me is that if Romney had won they would have gone through with this plot.

It is a little frightening to see how far they had gone. Cantor needs to do some explaining.

Last night I was watching a PBS documentary called 'Park Avenue' by Alex Gibney. It featured the infamous 740 Park Avenue and the people who live there. I would not be surprised to find this traceable back to them.

'Seven Days In May" and "Paths Of Glory" are two of the best movies about the connection between politics and war. Paths Of Glory is my favorite but Seven Days in May is also a great movie.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:47 PM

37. A coup? Or a desperate attempt by Republicans to win at all costs?

Seriously, remember how Reagan/Bush had the Iranian hostages held and released after the election? Did they pay a political price for that bit of treason? Or the gaming of Ohio in 2004? Republicans are a private service Party...but they are only effective when they are in charge. The word ethics is utterly lost on the current body politic of Teapublicans.

That said, I do want to see an investigation into Cantor's role and what he did and/or didn't do. I want to know if this weasel committed a seriously grave violation of his oath of office.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:49 PM

39. that is a coup..

that's a coup when they undermine people's ability to vote, to have their votes counted, or to stage a PR nightmare in order to devalue the leadership of the President of the United States.

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #39)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:39 PM

108. Yes,

other examples include 2000 and 2004 elections.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:04 PM

44. It was planned as well as the Iraqi war.

and other misadventures these chose.

they don't deal in reality but think they make their own realities.

Republicans.

Iraq was a war
they conspired to happen.



DON'T ANYONE FORGET THAT.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:02 PM

58. Yes, I think it was a last ditch end-run ...

... Obama's 9-11 as it were: "Look, he didn't keep us safe from Terra! The brown folks the towels on their heads are killing blond white Americans overseas! We need soldiers on the ground and more more more money to the military machine! Oh and Vote for Mitt!"

Scared people generally tend to stop thinking & just do as they're told ... I think that's what the GOPMilitary was betting on & something FUBAR'd.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:36 PM

90. The thought

of Cantor being investigated by the ethics committee and a special prosecutor and then, hopefully, ousted is almost too good to be true. I hope it does go down that way though.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:56 PM

41. I'm skeptical, but still realize that every player in this is a dedicated right-winger.

Running or connected to the military. And not trusting any of them at all, I've entertained a few "General Scott" theories myself.

Was Eric Cantor trying to re-light the extinguished fire? I just can't believe that Benghazi is not at the center of this. There's the Broadwell interview in Denver about captives in the consulate, which was denied. There's a Watergate worth of questions at this point.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:07 PM

45. Perhaps

Maybe it's time to stock up on tinfoil. Maybe not. The links certainly are intriguing. Problem is, though, that I don't think anyone here will believe the results of any investigation, and that's if there is any serious investigation.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:12 PM

49. I think Benghazi started it

I feel it was staged to make the Pres look bad, like the Iranian hostage deal, Romney came out so fast. Fox grabbed it and was running with it. All these investigations to figure out what happened. I think the Pres realized it was a set up and had he's own investigation. They knew after Rmoney won they could sweep it all under the rug. It served its purpose.
I also think the whole affair scandal is just an excuse. He had to give a reason for resigning so abruptly, it seemed to be the best one.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:36 PM

52. Its not coincidence, I agree but chain of cause n effect is convoluted

an event of synchronicity

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:58 PM

56. Our Shadow Government

 

Last edited Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:12 AM - Edit history (5)


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So, let General Petraeus testify at the Benghazi Congressional Hearings. Televise it on C-Span. Show us that our government has got nothing to hide....most of us at least...except maybe the CIA (aka the "Committee to Intervene Anywhere").
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The CIA is denying an assertion made by David Petraeus' biographer and girlfriend that the agency held militants in Libya before the Sept. 11, 2012 attack. During a talk last month at the University of Denver, author Paula Broadwell said the CIA had detained people at a secret facility in Benghazi, and that the attack on the U.S. Consulate there was an effort to free those prisoners. President Barack Obama issued an executive order in January 2009 stripping the CIA of its authority to take prisoners. The move means the CIA can no longer operate secret jails across the globe as it had done under the administration of President George W. Bush.

"The CIA has not had detention authority since January 2009... Any suggestion that the Agency is still in the detention business is uninformed and baseless," CIA spokesman Preston Golson told CBS News.
(my words: Mr. Preston, would you be willing to say that while hooked up to a Polygraph or two?)

Reference Link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548494/cia-denies-it-detained-militants-in-benghazi

Is Petraeus ever going to be able to tell his side of the story (under oath), or will he go tits up like CIA Director Casey did? It's deja vu all over again.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:58 PM

57. ROFLMAO. Yeah, everything I don't prove false is otherwise true. ROFLMAO.

Or, just maybe, they were trying to win an election??

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:05 PM

59. Glad we made it past that pesky evidence thingy

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:20 PM

62. Sex has ever been used to bring down leaders, even governments.

The Profumo Affair comes to mind.

The coup failed, so Petraeus is paying the price.


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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:20 PM

63. I am so confused...

With all the hubbub over the sex scandal, I've missed a lot of the detail/timing of how/when this was uncovered. Has anyone found a timeline of events? I'm particularly interested in Cantor's role. I understand that he was notified about of all this and kept quiet. And he was particularly quiet leading up to the election. What did he know and when did he know it?

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:34 PM

66. More like seven minutes in the office.

Watergate, at least, involved a real crime.

A GI and his mistress frolicking in the office isn't.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #66)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:43 PM

94. there is much more to this than Petraeus' little pickle

making squooshy noises in Paula.

that is the boring part of the story, if you ask me.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:36 PM

68. I have NO fuckin' idea what you're on about.

Something about the Amero or UN Forces or something?

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:53 PM

74. PCIntern, I've tuned out because the talking heads play this as just a sex scandal...

PCIntern, I've tuned out because the talking heads play this as just another sex scandal. All I've done so far is (a) feel sorry that the country just lost one of its most brilliant generals and (b) thank God the story didn't break until AFTER the election. Sex scandals are less than interesting to me, and the salacious gossip of the talking heads is tiresome. What you are proposing, though....

Now, I will stay tuned here for you and some of the few other astute writers as this shakes out. I certainly do remember Watergate, as well as the string of political assassinations that scarred my youth. And in my considered opinion, Bush vs Gore resulted in a bloodless coup d'etat.

So, thanks, and carry on.

By the way -- Barack Obama is still alive, and that means a lot.

Hekate

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Response to Hekate (Reply #74)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:05 PM

78. This country lost "one of its most brilliant generals"? Brilliant? In what way exactly?

 

Some of us have never heard how brillian that he is. Maybe if we had more information, we might be able to agree.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #78)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:10 PM

82. A number of interviewees have gone over his resume of accomplishments

Some of them are people I respect as sober and knowledgeable. They all seem to agree on his intellectual prowess and accomplishments.

And are baffled that he fell so far and so fast for this reason.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #82)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:36 PM

91. So the unanimous consensus of unnamed and unidentifiable persons establishes him as brilliant?

 

Reportedly, many people used to think that Robert S. McNamara was brilliant.

In fact, McNamara was quite stupid.

McNamara's "brilliance," such as it was, was in promoting himself as being brilliant.

In the absence of facts showing how Petraeus was brilliant, there's no reason to believe that he was brilliant in any way other than the way that McNamara was brilliant.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #74)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:49 PM

109. Just a sex scandal?

FBI carried out boxes of possible evidence of something from Broadwell's home yesterday in an "open investigation."

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:06 PM

79. I'd speculated from the first hour

that none of this *really* had anything to do with who was humping who....But sex scandals are very "human", they are easy for the public to digest and relate to, and the news media will gnaw on that bone for a solid month...

I'd also said I don't think we'll ever know the real reason...

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:10 PM

81. You're right, and you wanna know why...Repukes are keeping quiet about this...

as is FUX Noise.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #81)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:05 PM

96. FuxNoose

will ignore it as much as they can... so many of their talking heads were on the R$ election team... Purely unfiltered R$ all the time, full of his BS anti-Obama lies and self aggrandizing prater.

After all the interesting reference materials and speculations I've read since Friday, I am quite convinced that the premise of the original point to this thread is spot on though I think there are some facts that have not shown on this thread but are present elsewhere, I have presented some myself.

I remember Bay of Pigs, the assassinations and stolen elections, unofficial wars and other atrocities... this is yet another and a discerning eye and critical mind will find the truth through diligent observation. It was a poorly orchestrated coup that was stifled by skilled president on his toes... since it was his head they were after.

I don't think any of the alleged emails were sexually oriented, I think that claim is smokescreen and that is all. I'm almost willing to bet that it was more espionage oriented and that we'll never see what they actually contained. Nobody writes 20-30 thousand sexy emails, these folks had more important things to do like throw an election and partially to retain a costly war machine in action at our expense and to oppress a free people into a set of untenable condition that would convert this nation into something resembling China's social structure.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:40 PM

92. I think you are probably right. I find the intransigence of Democratic Party's leadership

 

to acknowledge of account for the possibility of this kind of thing to be very disturbing. When the President was first elected in 2008 many of us, a group I suspect you were also a part of, warned about what kind of opposition he was walking into. We were dismissed as usual.

Worse than being ignored is being ignored even when your proved right time after time.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:41 PM

93. Need more information.

 


This is too vague.

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #93)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:17 PM

101. Something I found yesterday

Maybe this will help make some of the points made here a little less vague:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=302581


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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:22 PM

104. Which "famous Romney press conference" are you talking about?

If you got a theory, spell it out. Don't give me "there must be all kinds of machinations going on behind the DC curtains. I'm sure there are, but this case just seems like a couple of horn-dogs chasing some Strange while the boss was busy getting reelected. That, plus the career pro's down at the CIA never really took to this general and his technocratic colonels running their shop. If there's any pushing going on here, I'd suggest looking for career spooks finally getting something juicy on the outsider that Potus put in charge of their Agency.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #104)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:32 PM

107. After Benghazi

The one he was even smiling like a Cheshire Cat.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:29 PM

106. 1933, that is what I am thinking

It will quietly die as retirements and wife swapping.

No, I could not write and sell this shit as fiction and it is getting weirder by the hour...

May I add a few SS agents and prostitutes in Colmbia? Just add it to the mix.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #106)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:23 AM

148. Fuzzy memory I've got about one of the 'party boys'

being the brother of a 2012 repug Senate candidate, from VA maybe?

Members of the Kennedy S.S. detail in Dallas partied the night before 11/22 in a strip joint, (not owned by Ruby, but by one of his associates).

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:52 PM

110. Very few people took note of the fact that two-star Army general Al Haig was appointed as....

Nixon's Chief of Staff during the last year of Nixon's presidency, but that was a very interesting by-product of Watergate.

General Haig basically ran the White House acting as the president, but he didn't report to Nixon. He actually reported to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Additionally, the "football" was removed from the White House during that last year because Nixon was viewed by the military and others as being mentally unstable.

That last year prior to Nixon's resignation was actually the result of a non-violent and very skillful coup carried out by the military. When Ford took over the presidency, the military faded back into the woodwork.

Additionally, the powers behind the scene never wanted Nixon to testify in any trial or hearing. He knew too much about too many skeletons in the US closet.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:03 PM

111. Feinstein was just interviewed on CNN...

apparently, she has been kept totally in the dark about the Broadwell investigation, as well as the House Intelligence committee and the President. In the meantime, Broadwell has been found to possess classified information and the FBI is thoroughly searching her residence for more documents. Broadwell's father claims that there is much more to this than the affair, and it will come out later, but he can't talk about it now; however, he also maintains that his daughter is innocent.

This is all sounding very Rovian.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:55 PM

115. love that movie

I hope tcm plays it again soon. I think Romney jumped the gun with his statement. If he would have waited a couple of hours it would not have been so extraordinary. I doubt we'll ever find out what happened but it'll be interesting to see how the likes of Cantor behave going forward. I don't see how any thinking person could come to any other conclusion then something was afoot. The insistence that this is no more then a sex scandal appears to be working.

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Response to stillcool (Reply #115)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:03 AM

121. Romney thought it was in the bag

and the sooner he came out (called his press conference) he thought it would make him look more knowing, more presidential.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:18 AM

119. Isn't hypothesizing the same as speculating?

What you describe could also be construed as theorizing about a conspiracy, couldn't it?

Not saying you're wrong, BTW. But, as there's still only fragments of meat on this really big bone, at the moment it's still just interesting conjecture.

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Response to Turborama (Reply #119)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:07 PM

126. No, hypothesizing is not the same as speculating.

Speculation requires little to no evidence. You notice something and speculate as to its cause.

A hypothesis requires some evidence, a pattern of events or the appearance of a link between things.

A theory requires an overwhelming body of evidence. In the sciences, it further requires that it be testable, repeatable, peer reviewed and that the bulk of scientists accept it.

Finally, there is a saying in the military: If something happens one time, it's happenstance. Two times; it's coincidence. Three times; it's enemy action.

In this case we have as context a longterm pattern of attempted coups by the MIC/rw: Bay of Pigs; the assassination of a President, his brother/Presidential candidate and a renowned spiritual leader; Watergate; Iran/Contra; trumped up terra war against Iraq (including outing CIA agents). We can go further back to attempts on FDR's life, the McCarthy era, Hooever, etc.

We have a sitting President who is seen as a threat by the RW. And a short-term sequence of events leading up to and immediately after his re-election, which may or may not be related but appear to fit a pattern:

1. RW Presidential candidate is caught on film saying he needs some sort of terrorist incident to boost his candidacy. (part of the 47% tape, as I recall)

2. An ugly, bigoted movie short designed to inspire hatred is translated and released into the ME (why? in order to spark unrest?)

3. Unrest follows, with a concurrent attack on a Consulate in the ME, and an ambassador is murdered in the attack.

4. RW Presidential Candidate appears on teevee with a Press Announcement even while the attack is ongoing and riots are spreading, to disparage the President's response.

5. The Candidate is caught on film smirking after his back is turned to the audience and he thinks he's safely off camera/out of view.

6. A 2-week backlash ensues against the easily exposed lies re: the President's response and inappropriateness of the Candidates behavior and clear ignorance of the on the ground situation.

7. After a lull, the RW begins a chorus of trumped up "Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi" calls for investigation, in the process releases classified info and outs a CIA operation.

7. Sandy drowns (out) Benghazi

8. The President is re-elected, totally shocking the RW who assumed they had won it. On that same day, the RW leader of the house is notified of an investigation into a 4star General/RW hero.

9. The day after the election, the President is notified of the investigation, a 4star General resigns giving sex scandal as excuse. (Since when is a sex scandal an excuse for a RW 1%er to quit a job?)

10 The next day, a 4-star General is demoted due to lavish spending sprees.

11. A couple more days, and a 2nd 4-star General is implicated in possible sex scandal and his new post put on hold. The other party (OP) in relationship with General #1 is found to have classified information on her computer and stored in her home.

12. During the prior couple months, a top Admiral and another top General chose to retire.

13. I just remembered this one. A photo emerges from a summer event linking RW operative Rove to OP. OP had reason to be at event. Rove did not.

That's 1 Admiral and 4 4-star Generals within a very short time span.

We are well into the 3 times is Enemy Action end of the saying...

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #126)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:16 AM

156. Thanks, m t. + 10 million. I wanted to do a 'sum up' like this, but

the repugs are using their patented 'be wrong about everything, in every way possible' approach. Makes my head hurt too much to act, I was busy holding it on so it wouldn't blow off.

Repugs running on '9-11 national security foreign policy failures'? While the NY Times' Kurt Eichenwald's piece on l'il bush ignoring umpteen warnings about the real 9-11 was gaining traction in the media? Attacking the prez who killed bin-Laden for being weak in national security and foreign policy? Terror attacks timed for the anniversary of 9-11, but no group wants to forward a credible claim of responsibility? The party that screamed 'Don't you dare politicize 9-11 attacks' the last time around attacks the US government while it is under attack by enemies? Ryan faults Embassy security and simultaneously proudly admits cutting the security budget because he's a deficit hawk? Ghadaffi was a strong man who ruled with an iron fist, but gets speedily deposed by someone, who nevertheless isn't strong enough to prevent the attack by 'fundy fanatic' amateurs? Oversight from repugs like Issa and McCain, who did and do nothing to investigate 9-11? McCain leveling charges against Susan Rice instead of Condi Rice? The guy that gave us dim wit Palin calling our Ambassador stupid? Repugs leveling charges of 'lying or stupid' against Dems, while proudly touting Reagan and giving rubber stamp approval to l'il bush? I could go on, but boy, my head hurts.

To put it politely, this smells seriously, reeks of rove repug foreign policy treason.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:48 AM

122. Original reason for investigation

What I don't get about the original story. Wannabe FBI guy gets them to investigate e-mails being sent to a friend. He feels like their taking too long or something to that, so he goes to congressman thinking its a cover up for the Pres.
How does an investigation for a friend getting threatening e-mail have anything to do with the Pres?
This is what makes that whole story sound bogus to me.

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Response to sandyshoes17 (Reply #122)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:59 AM

125. Jill Kelley told her FBI friend that the emails involved Petraeus.

Petraeus is head of the CIA--part of Obama's administration. Maybe he just assumed that catching the general having an affair was enough of a scandal to hurt Obama?

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:49 AM

123. I have always thought...

...that Mittens' response to the Bengazi attack was a little too... shall we say... punctual? To have a response to that attack even before the ink was dry and before it was known Chris Stephens was killed in that attack always seemed to me a bit suspious. There had to be some kind of foreknowledge. And for the presidential candidate (of the opposition party coincidentially) to come out with a statement before democratic White House and Democratic members of Congress knew any details made me think political gerrymandering of event facts for political gain.

Then to have America's top General all of a sudden thrust into a sex scandal just days after the election (I think they just missed the dealine) for the same goal? And for the losing vice-presidential candidate to know about it BEFORE the sec. of State and the president?

I think there are no lows the republicrats won't stoop to in efforts to discredit the Obama administration. The Gawdy Overaged Party is so full of hate of a black man president they are willing to trash one of the most highly decorated generals in our history and one for which they themselves lauded praise on repeatedly previously for thier selfish, political, old white guy ambitions.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the republicrats are terrorists and should be deleted from history... and any future influence.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:55 AM

124. 7 days in may?

OK now you are freakin me out!

I wouldn't put it past these fucking looney toon teabaggers to try a coup though, anti american bastards.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:28 PM

130. Press TV: 5 recent surprise resignations by generals & admirals mean Obama just shut down a Coup...


If this is true it would be analogous to what JFK experienced during the Cuban Missile Crisis...

Also the polar opposite of some friction between Netanyahu & his Generals a few years ago.

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Response to MinM (Reply #130)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:18 PM

136. @ABC: 6 Generals Behaving Badly .. #Petraeus

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Response to MinM (Reply #136)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:39 PM

145. We are up to six now?

Seven days in May indeed.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:36 PM

131. "one is going to have to prove ot me that this, or some version of this did not occur." "

Classic. Since it is impossible to prove a negative, especially to a CT, this allows you to have an iron wall around your 'theory' which no one can get past.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:46 PM

134. I usually agree with you, but...

That simply too convoluted for me to accept, right now. Not saying I won't, but right now I'm going with "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity and vanity."

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:31 AM

149. PC--take a look at this video---

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/bob-woodward-romney-benghazi_n_2090833.html


Woodward, appearing on the Sean Hannity show to discuss media coverage of Obama administration scandals, used the anecdote as an example of how he had tried to look into the story behind the Sept. 11 attack on an U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi that left four Americans dead, including the ambassador.

"Some people close to Romney, a couple of weeks ago, just showed up at my house and said that they had somebody in a very sensitive position in the U.S. government who was willing to meet with me and give me information about Benghazi," Woodward told Hannity.

After the source failed to show at several meetings, Woodward said he finally met the person and was disappointed by the quality of the information.

"He finally showed up and he didn't have anything where he had any firsthand knowledge," Woodward said. "He said you ought to talk to his person and that person and so forth."

It was not clear from Woodward's remarks whether the people shopping the source in the first place were part of Romney's campaign, or were operating with the candidate's knowledge.


I thought this stunk to high heaven when it was posted---not because I didn't believe it happened. It did. But because Bob Woodward was and is Naval Intelligence. The unanswered story form Watergate will always be "who on the Right wanted Nixon gone?"

So who was Woodward burning there? And why? He didn't just casually drop that stink bomb on Sean Hannity--he planned it. WHY???

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:09 AM

155. Continued in new thread, with even more possibilities, re: Coup:

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