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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:57 PM

Piss poor journalism. ABC affiliate--Texas first state to formally ask Washington to secede

No, Texas as a state did NOT ask to secede. Some fringe idiots found 24,999 other unverified signature idiots to sign an online petition.

http://www.12newsnow.com/story/20078722/texas-first-state-to-formally-ask-washington-to-secede

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Texas has become the first state to reach the 25,000 petition signatures necessary to formally ask Washington for its independence. Since the November election, 19 other states have joined Texas in petitioning the government to secede.
The Texas Nationalist Movement, which advocates state sovereignty, saw a 400% spike in enrollment following Election Day. Its web traffic is up 9,000%.

Hardin County conservative blogger Peter Morrison has advocated an "amicable divorce" from the United States.

Monday, 12 News asked Morrison why he has embraced secession. Morrison sent 12 News the following statement.

"People living in a free society should have control over their own destiny. When citizens of Czechoslovakia decided to peacefully separate into the Czech Republic and Slovakia, it was not a case of a sore loser, but rather two free people groups deciding they wanted to govern themselves independently."

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Reply Piss poor journalism. ABC affiliate--Texas first state to formally ask Washington to secede (Original post)
Horse with no Name Nov 2012 OP
joeybee12 Nov 2012 #1
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #9
joeybee12 Nov 2012 #20
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #22
BumRushDaShow Nov 2012 #2
JustAnotherGen Nov 2012 #3
Fresh_Start Nov 2012 #4
SDjack Nov 2012 #10
NoPasaran Nov 2012 #19
newspeak Nov 2012 #35
Bake Nov 2012 #5
Dems50State Nov 2012 #6
Mike Daniels Nov 2012 #7
Robb Nov 2012 #8
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #12
Robb Nov 2012 #13
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #15
CTyankee Nov 2012 #16
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #18
CTyankee Nov 2012 #21
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #24
CTyankee Nov 2012 #25
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #26
CTyankee Nov 2012 #27
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #28
CTyankee Nov 2012 #29
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #30
CTyankee Nov 2012 #31
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #32
CTyankee Nov 2012 #33
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #34
CTyankee Nov 2012 #36
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #37
CTyankee Nov 2012 #39
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #11
Uncle Joe Nov 2012 #14
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #23
Marr Nov 2012 #17
kentuck Nov 2012 #38
octoberlib Nov 2012 #40

Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:59 PM

1. Doesn't really even know the real reason CR and Slovakia broke off...

It's because Czechosolovakia was a country manufactured by the Nazis...it didn't exist prior, and they wanted to go back to the way it was...

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:39 PM

9. Actually Chechoslovakia was created in the post WWI breakup of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:14 PM

22. Not only that, in the centuries up to WWI and its aftermath

It was relatively common for geographic neighbors in Europe to unite and form nations (despite ethnic/cultural differences), if for no reason other than to protect themselves from someone else trying to move in and take over...

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:00 PM

2. This is what happens when you merge your news org with your entertainment org

to supposedly save money.

Craptascular non-researched fact-free faux journalism.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:02 PM

3. And their Governor's response was whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:08 PM

4. Once Texas pays their portion of the national debt...we'll seriously consider their petition.

I didn't say we'd agreed. I said we consider.
We'll figure out how long it will take to remove all US resources from Texas and how much Texas has to pay for us to do it.
We'll present them with the bills.
We'll send out the notices which proceed pink notices to people who will no longer be employed.
Surely the state would have to schedule a vote on the matter.
But people really should be informed about their vote.
BTW, those natural resources in your state.
They belong to us. We paid Mexico for everything.
However we are willing to let you buy the land back just not what is underneath the surface.
We expect to be paid for the highways and airports we built.
Military facilities will have to be paid for or we'll just continue to control them as we do in the rest of the world.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:12 PM

10. Why not just move them to a reservation in SW Texas.

Let them set up their own government and police, but make them stay inside the reservation. Set up a 1-way turnstile -- you can go in, but you can't come out. Have the US Army patrol the perimeter and deal with those who try to sneak into town. Seriously, folks, nothing is going to come of these petitions. The traditional way Texas begins the new campaign season is for the ultra-conservatives to beat the drum for secession the day after election. They are first out of the chute, and they begin by solidifying their base. Been going on since 1845. The last guy to do was Gov. Perry, and he just said that he wants Texas to stay in the Union.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:38 PM

19. The US didn't pay Mexico a penny for Texas

Texas paid for its own independence in blood, at the Alamo, Goliad, and San Jacinto, and was a sovereign republic when annexed by a joint resolution of Congress in 1845. Furthermore, under the terms of the Act of Annexation, while Texas turned over to the US its fortresses and magazines, it retained ownership of all its lands.

It's a silly matter, since Texas isn't really going anywhere. But historically Texas does have a somewhat different relationship with the Federal Government compared with the other Western states created by fiat out of larger territories.

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Response to NoPasaran (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:37 PM

35. yeah, americans were invited by the mexican government

to settle in texas. but, mexico, i know it's hard to believe, had laws against slavery. and those coming to texas were very much into slavery. some act like those who were invited in to settle sacrificed for their freedom. we create our own stories to tell ourselves when we take that open hand and bite it.

and some of those so called heroic texans did some very heinous acts against other tex-mexicans. some have sterilized the st. patrick's brigade, but there was a reason they went to texas and wound up fighting along side the mexican soldiers. and today, they are still honored by mexico.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:20 PM

5. BONDS! I GOT BONDS! GET YER REPUBLIC OF TEXAS BONDS HERE!

What? No takers?

I'm shocked, I tell you. SHOCKED!

Bake

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:29 PM

6. Used to live in Texas

 

Actually my grandmothers house was close to a KKK and one of the groups asking Texas to leave. There has been groups of people always asking to leave the Union every since Texas became a state in the nation. Texas is the only state capable of having it state flag as high as the United States Flag. Texas is the only state that until high school senior year you learn nothing about the Government only Texas History. I remember the trouble I had on understanding how the 3 branches of Government work in high school.

Texas wanting to leave the nation isn't related to Obama, but instead the day it became a state. A friend of mine in Texas always called me and said the moment we leave the Nation the first Hurricane that hits us they are screwed when it comes to money. Remember people on the coast once you leave the Nation you do not get hurricane relief money from storms anymore. DEAL WITH IT!

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:30 PM

7. 25,0000 losers/26,000,000 TX population (2012 estimate based on 2010 census) x 100 = 0.0961%

So 1/10th of 1 percent of the TX population signs this petition and the media acts like it's news.

What the hell?

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:31 PM

8. Czechoslovakia? Fuck this ignoramus.

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Response to Robb (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:57 PM

12. My eldest has been to the Czech Republic. It's a rather nice place.

 

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:43 PM

13. I agree.

Two of my favorite towns on earth are there. Just a longstanding pet peeve... anyone who talks about the Velvet Revolution as "peaceful" wasn't in Prague in July and August.

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Response to Robb (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:12 PM

15. She came back with a SHITLOAD of pictures. Beautiful place.

 

Actually, she was spending the semester in Budapest (sister campus), but she did some traveling. It was her second trip to Prague in the last four years. She also hit a lot of other cities in the region on both trips. We're working on putting together calendar pictures from those shots. We're talking like 20GB total from her trips. It's hard to narrow them down.

On the plus side, the server has 9TB of space so sorting them out isn't a disk space issue.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:20 PM

16. A trip to Vienna, Budapest and Prague is on my bucket list.

I can't wait. There is nothing I like more than an old European capital city! Esp. three that have such fabulous Art Nouveau architecture...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:28 PM

18. She's been to all three, and Greece and Turkey as well.

 

Well, technically she's been to London but only because her connecting flight was at Hethrow.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:05 PM

21. That is wonderful. I tell young people to travel while they can! It is so important and so

fulfilling! Congrats to her, she is very mature and wise to do this.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:34 PM

24. I never did as a kid. I've been to Montreal and Toronto, but that's the extent.

 

Well, I've been in almost half of the states, but Montreal and Toronto were my only "out of country" experiences. Strip bars on St. Catherine St. in Montreal, The Needle in Toronto. I've never been off-continent.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:48 PM

25. Oh, please try to go to Europe, esp. if your daughter is there! You will find so many treasures!

Since I retired in 2004 I have been to Italy 4 times, France, the Netherlands, Spain, Portugal and Belgium. It has always been wonderful. You should go for the cathedrals, the museums, the food, the culture and the art. To me, Spain was the standout. I always say Spain changed my life. What a country!

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:01 PM

26. I'm too old for that. If I'm going to spend money on the travel, my daughters get it.

 

I'll just look at the pictures they bring back. I'd love to go, but I need a cane and a service dog just to go to the liquor store. My time has come and gone. The girls are young adults and they deserve the opportunity. I'm an asshole. I don't deserve it.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:10 PM

27. Oh, I am so sorry to hear that! I am old myself, but thankfully not disabled as you are.

My husband, who does not like to travel anyway, has to use a cane to get around and so he does not travel with me, and it is too bad. It would be nice to share everything. But it is not to be.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:20 PM

28. I'm only 49 and up to 4 years ago I was healthy and strong.

 

I feel like a fucking invalid now. It took a while to get over the shame, but I do okay now. The dog helps.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #28)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:33 AM

29. A terrifying illness or accident must have hit you at a young age! I am glad you are getting

around and have your faithful canine companion! Take care....altho I know that no words of mine can change things, I do hope for better things for you in your life.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:03 AM

30. Severe osteoporosis with unrelated tonic-clonic seizures and vertigo.

 

I've broken most of them myself during a seizure. They've got me on daily injections of Forteo which allegedly rebuilds bone (rather than bisphosponates which simply depress the natural decomposition). We'll see. I've only been on it for just over 3 months and have to stay on it for two full years. I just miss being able to do things I used to take for granted - like running.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:57 PM

31. Thank you for the information on this devastating health problem. I am so hopeful for your

improvement with the medication, which sounds promising.

But what I don't understand is that you felt shame. I'm not trying to second guess you because you feel what you feel. I think you are brave and you are a strong voice in our community for our common ideals, which I believe are noble. That, I think, is a most laudable thing to do.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:04 PM

32. It's simple. I was always strong, healthy, and had attitude.

 

I've still got the attitude.

It just took a while to adjust to using a cane, wearing a back brace, and needing a service dog. I'm getting more used to it.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:14 PM

33. Let us know how things go. I am hopeful for good news.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:17 PM

34. I'm mostly in a holding pattern (barring another seizure).

 

I take drugs for the seizures and they've mostly worked (not entirely). One more could do me in, but I'm at peace with myself and life. Everyone has to cache in at some point. I would sort of like to live long enough to see grandchildren, but I'm not in any way rushing the girls. Time will tell.



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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:13 PM

36. We never know what can happen to us, do we? It's a lesson we have to keep learning...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:27 PM

37. Well, on the plus side, I'm not bothered by needles anymore.

 



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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:37 PM

39. Good! I'm glad for you!

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:57 PM

11. It would be sort of amusing to watch ANY state try to make it on their own.

 

Hell, Puerto Rico asked to JOIN the union, and for good reason. We're demographically separated, not territorially. It's a silly notion. My basic reply is, "um, bye", but it's still silly.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:51 PM

14. Kicked and recommended to highlight piss poor journalism and corporate media propaganda.

Thanks for the thread, Horse with no Name.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:15 PM

23. Like another DUer said in a different thread:

3.5 million Texans voted for Obama, and 70,000 nuts and internet trolls are getting the media spotlight...

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:21 PM

17. Hell, *I'D* have signed that petition, and I'm a liberal in California.

lol

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:29 PM

38. First of all, ask allyour citizens to return their food stamps to Washington, DC..

They will no longer be valid. Also, do not cash your Social Security checks or any VA pensions. They will not be honored. Just so you know the consequences...

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:44 PM

40. A lot of the signatories on the petition aren't even from Texas

That should invalidate it right there. I guess since nothing new is going on with the Petraeus mess today, the media needed a story.

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