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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:54 AM

Obama should NOT appoint Kerry to the cabinet

My reason: we just went through a lot of effort in Massachusetts to get rid of Scott Brown and replace him with Elizabeth Warren. If Kerry gets appointed, Brown will just run for the Senate again, and we'll have to work against him all over again. We could use a rest here.

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Reply Obama should NOT appoint Kerry to the cabinet (Original post)
flyingfysh Nov 2012 OP
montanacowboy Nov 2012 #1
1-Old-Man Nov 2012 #2
Little Star Nov 2012 #3
William769 Nov 2012 #4
roguevalley Nov 2012 #28
JanetLovesObama Nov 2012 #5
ProSense Nov 2012 #6
Bake Nov 2012 #16
ProSense Nov 2012 #17
Bake Nov 2012 #19
Bake Nov 2012 #18
karynnj Nov 2012 #24
roguevalley Nov 2012 #29
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #7
Chan790 Nov 2012 #8
JanetLovesObama Nov 2012 #12
MoonchildCA Nov 2012 #14
karynnj Nov 2012 #26
C_U_L8R Nov 2012 #9
NV Whino Nov 2012 #10
MA Mom Nov 2012 #11
Waltons_Mtn Nov 2012 #13
geardaddy Nov 2012 #15
babylonsister Nov 2012 #20
roguevalley Nov 2012 #30
WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #21
Thrill Nov 2012 #22
Jersey Devil Nov 2012 #23
geek tragedy Nov 2012 #25
lady lib Nov 2012 #27
sarcasmo Nov 2012 #31

Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:56 AM

1. I agree, what the hell is he thinking?

n/t

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:58 AM

2. Agreed, and recommended

Unless there is certainty that a progressive Democrat will fill that seat in the Senate then he should be left at least until his current term expires.

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:00 AM

3. I agree!!!! Plus I think he should not...

take 'anyone' from the senate and dilute our seats. We need to worry about getting and keeping majorities, imho.

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:04 AM

4. Sorry thats not a good enough reason.

If the President asks anyone would be a fool not to listen.

But then again some people might think arm-chair quarterbacks are the right one's to make this call. I don't happen to be one of them.

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Response to William769 (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:48 PM

28. and some people put country ahead of their ego

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:05 AM

5. I find this attitude to be

extremely selfish. Are you being fair to John Kerry? If you beat Brown once, you can beat him again !

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:07 AM

6. It has nothing to do with the Senate seat. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:39 PM

16. It has EVERYTHING to do with the Senate seat!

We just beat our brains out to gain a seat or two. You want to give one away?

Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:40 PM

17. No, it doesn't. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:02 PM

19. Oh, now I see your logic!

Of course, you are correct!



Bake

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:41 PM

18. Fair to Kerry?

Is he OWED the SOS position? How about Kerry being fair to his constituents?

He's not owed anything. He's had the privilege of being a lifelong public servant, elected by the people of his state, and the Senate is a rather privileged place. That is a privilege. He's not "owed" anything but gratitude for his service.

He needs to stay where he is NEEDED.

Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:43 PM

24. He has served as Senator for 28 years

and he has often said it is a privilege that he is grateful for. However, it was pretty well known that he really hoped to be President in 2004 and to be appointed Secretary of State in 2008.

In both yeas, many people argued that given his experience, personality, and gravitas, he was the obvious choice. (Yes, even over Hillary)

The question is whether Obama considers that he needs Kerry as Secretary of State - even though he knows that loses a very strong, capable ally in the Senate. I note that you speak of what he owes Massachusetts - and suggest that he is owed nothing in return except "gratitude". The question is whether he ever asked for anything more. I don't think he has. In addition, you can not complain with how hard and how thoughtfully he has done his job - often quietly with very little praise. (I note that your post is not saying even you want him in the Senate because of who he is, but as a Democratic cog - not a lot of gratitude there.)

No one is EVER "owed" an appointment. Obama should pick people so where they end up is the best possible configuration for him to get things done. It may be that he will ask Kerry to stay where he is because he is very very useful in the Senate. The dilemma is NOT so much that there will be another special election, but that Kerry's talents are extraordinary in EITHER position. (I doubt that a second special election would get the same low turn out - people were caught unaware last time. Not to mention, he can not as successfully claim to be not really a Republican as he seemed to do last time.)

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Response to Bake (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:48 PM

29. plus a zillion

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:20 AM

7. It's definitely something that should be considered, but Kerry would be great.

 

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:23 AM

8. I think the situation is not that clear...

I'm pretty sure Obama wants Kerry as SoS.
I'm certain that Kerry wants to be SoS.
I think Obama feels that he owes Kerry the nomination for SoS for his work on his campaign.

If I were Kerry and I were screwed over for your reason, I'd be pissed enough to retire from the Senate as soon as I could without it looking like retaliation.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:55 PM

12. I AGREE

AND I would lose respect for President Obama if he were to pass over Kerry because of a MA Senate seat.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:12 PM

14. Actually, I heard yesterday on the news

that Kerry was being considered for SoD, and Susan Rice for SoS.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:51 PM

26. If Obama gave positions because they were "owed", his case in 2008 would have been

just as strong. Simply put, without Kerry, Obama w0ould not have become President in 2004.

1) Obama's national recognition came nearly 100% from the keynote speech. Otherwise, he would simply have been a Senator with 2 years in office in 2007 when he declared.

2) Kerry's endorsement AFTER Obama lost NH Kerry had given it to him earlier and he let Obama choose the time to make it public. An Obama person said that they were surprised that Kerry was willing to give it after NH when there was a real chance Hillary Clinton would win - and win or lose, the Clintons would hold it against him. (It is not clear without Kerry's endorsement and his immediate availability as a surrogate that Bill Clinton would have turned so negative, triggering the Kennedy endorsement.

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:37 AM

9. MA needs a deeper bench

where are all the great local Dems?
I'm sure they are there. Hello?

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:57 AM

10. I agree

Do not deplete a strong senate seat to fill the cabinet. There's plenty of talent available who are not currently holding an office, and I include governors when I refer to holding an office.

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:13 PM

11. I agree

This country needs a strong voice like Kerry's in the Senate.
And in MA, I'm tired! We had to work against Scott Brown in 2010 and again in 2012, please not again for a while.

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:58 PM

13. I agree!

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:12 PM

15. Agreed.

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:19 PM

20. Disagree.

Kerry has higher aspirations and the wisdom to be a sterling representative for our country in whatever position he might be offered or take.
Have you ever worked hard at a job, got great reviews from your bosses, but were consistently passed over for promotion? How'd that make you feel?
There has got to be someone in MA that has the credentials to fill Kerry's shoes. And who gets to decide this anyway?

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:50 PM

30. he has a job. we are in extremis here.that trumps his ego

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:23 PM

21. Relax

The law that requires a special election was created by MA Democrats to keep then-Gov. Romney from appointing Kerry's successor if Kerry won in 2004. Before 2004, the gov could appoint a replacement. If Kerry is going to get tapped, they'll change the law back to the appointment rule. It won't even take an afternoon.

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:25 PM

22. Yeah it means Scott Brown is likely to make a comeback

The problem is. I think Kerry is sick of being in the Senate and wants to be in the Cabinet

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:28 PM

23. Since when does electing someone to office convey ownership rights on that person by voters?

John Kerry is no one's property. He can do what he wants just like anyone else. If he wants to retire and grow pineapples in Hawaii that would be his business, not ours.

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:47 PM

25. Picking Napolitano and Sebelius gave us Jan Brewer and Sam Brownback as governors.

Picking Salazar almost gave us Ken Buck as a Senator. Brown won the last open election for a seat in Massachusetts. He's got a big familiarity edge over whatever Democrat runs against him.

Time for some retreads in cabinet positions.

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:10 PM

27. Yup. He needs to stay put. nt

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Response to flyingfysh (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:58 PM

31. Kick!

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