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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:24 AM

Petraeus Affair Widens: Who's Who & What's What? Here's A Guide

I found the from NPR, it's pretty helpful... at the link the writer of the article discusses the 'Unnamed FBI Agent' which I think will tell us a lot once they let him start talking:

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Petraeus Affair Widens: Who's Who & What's What? Here's A Guide

The sordid story surrounding the resignation of CIA Director David Petraeus continues to grow. This morning there's word that the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. John Allen, is under investigation for "inappropriate communications" with the woman who kicked off the chain of events that led to the uncovering of the extramarital affair Petraeus was having (with a different woman) and his resignation.

Allen, as NPR's Tom Bowman reported on Morning Edition, has told Pentagon officials that he did nothing wrong. But investigators have discovered, officials say, 20,000 to 30,000 pages of emails and electronic documents sent between Allen and Jill Kelley, 37, of Tampa. The Pentagon is now investigating Allen's communications with Kelley. Allen's nomination to be commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Europe has been put on hold.

With Allen's entrance into the story and the new twist involving Kelley, this seems like a good time for a guide to who's who and what's what:

-- Retired Gen. David Petraeus. The former top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, the 60-year-old Petraeus became director of the CIA in the summer of 2011. It was sometime after he left the Army and took over at the CIA, Petraeus has reportedly told friends, that he began an affair with Paula Broadwell. She's a now-40-year-old major in the Army Reserve. They reportedly ended the affair about four months ago. This morning's Washington Post reports that some of the retired general's advisers say he "planned to stay in the job even after he acknowledged the affair to the FBI, hoping the episode would never become public. He resigned last week after being told to do so by Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. on the day President Obama was reelected."

-- Paula Broadwell. A specialist in counterterrorism issues as well as an Army reservist, Broadwell is the author of All In: The Education of General David Petraeus, a biography of Petraeus. While working on that book, she lived and worked with the then-general's staff in Afghanistan. Like Petraeus, she is married. On Monday, FBI agents were seen searching her home in Charlotte, N.C.

-- Jill Kelley. Described in reports as a volunteer social liaison with military families at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Kelley knows Petraeus and his wife Holly. Earlier this year, she reportedly told an acquaintance who works for the FBI about harassing emails she had been receiving. During that investigation, the FBI traced the emails to Broadwell. According to The New York Times, officials say Broadwell "saw Ms. Kelley as a rival for her affections with Mr. Petraeus." As the FBI investigated the emails to Kelley, agents turned up online messages exchanged by Petraeus and Broadwell that revealed their affair. Kelley is married.

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Reply Petraeus Affair Widens: Who's Who & What's What? Here's A Guide (Original post)
trailmonkee Nov 2012 OP
timber84 Nov 2012 #1
Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #4
get the red out Nov 2012 #6
Skidmore Nov 2012 #10
Blue Meany Nov 2012 #8
Whisp Nov 2012 #31
yardwork Nov 2012 #35
R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #42
magical thyme Nov 2012 #15
R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #43
uncle ray Nov 2012 #47
lalalu Nov 2012 #2
Botany Nov 2012 #5
lalalu Nov 2012 #12
OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #3
get the red out Nov 2012 #7
OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #14
get the red out Nov 2012 #25
OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #30
ananda Nov 2012 #37
global1 Nov 2012 #36
yardwork Nov 2012 #40
Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #16
bongbong Nov 2012 #27
Brainstormy Nov 2012 #17
OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #20
bongbong Nov 2012 #26
justiceischeap Nov 2012 #24
OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #32
Coyotl Nov 2012 #9
Sheldon Cooper Nov 2012 #11
LiberalArkie Nov 2012 #21
doc03 Nov 2012 #13
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #38
Buns_of_Fire Nov 2012 #18
ellisonz Nov 2012 #19
Coyotl Nov 2012 #22
Coyotl Nov 2012 #23
Lucinda Nov 2012 #29
seabeyond Nov 2012 #33
Coyotl Nov 2012 #34
snooper2 Nov 2012 #39
seabeyond Nov 2012 #41
snooper2 Nov 2012 #45
seabeyond Nov 2012 #46
Gin Nov 2012 #28
aletier_v Nov 2012 #44

Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:26 AM

1. 20,0000 to 30,0000 pages?

Ummm I don't think I have that many to my husband of 20 years plus.

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Response to timber84 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:31 AM

4. That's an awful lot of porn.

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Response to timber84 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:35 AM

6. +1

Me neither to my husband, not even counting when we were first seeing each other and giving cards and all that "new in love" stuff.

Weird. I'm thinking sex is the least of anyone's worries here.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:42 AM

10. Me, too.

Wonder how many of those were classified "porn."

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Response to timber84 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:39 AM

8. It sounds like he was sending her documents. n/t

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Response to Blue Meany (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:06 AM

31. that's got to be it.

those amount of pages can't be just chatter love talk or how's your dog feeling today?

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Response to Blue Meany (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:43 AM

35. Cough cough.

Kelley looks like an operative to me. Has from the beginning of this story.

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Response to Blue Meany (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:31 AM

42. War porn.

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Response to timber84 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:52 AM

15. I wonder over what time period? Because 20,000 pages for, say, one year

would be ~55/day! That's a lot of pages of pix and writing. That sounds more like sending documents than composing porn...

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:33 AM

43. Perhaps Gen. Allen is workng for Wikileaks.

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Response to timber84 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:09 PM

47. print an email and see how many pages it is.

if you include header info, as well as the previous original email messages contained in a response, one short email could be many pages long. probably just a few thousand emails that are several pages long.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:29 AM

2. LOL, nice layout.

 

We just need to learn who is the shirtless unnamed FBI agent. Pass the popcorn.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:34 AM

5. Is this him?

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Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:43 AM

12. Or maybe it is his evil twin.

 

At this point anything is possible.

On another note..... not bad.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:30 AM

3. Broadwell had a ghostwriter?!!!

Geesh...the whole ghostwriting thing is out of control, imho.



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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:37 AM

7. Why would some no-name rate a ghostwriter?

I thought those were for big named people who didn't have writing experience but wanted to collaborate on an auto-biography or tell-all? How does somebody who just wants to write a biography of a famous person rate a ghostwriter who is the editor of a big name paper? Shouldn't he have just done the interviews and written the book himself? What was she needed for, besides the obvious at this point?

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Response to get the red out (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:44 AM

14. Good question

Even unknown people with ideas for a story hire ghostwriters now -- because they want to see their name on the cover of a book -- but it's getting ridiculous.

If Broadwell paid that Vernon guy, he no doubt did it strictly for the money, not thinking it would become a bestseller (I hope royalties are part of his agreement!!!). But if the publisher optioned it before it was even written, why would THEY pay for (or merely approve) a ghostwriter when Paula Broadwell isn't famous and doesn't have a platform?

It's the least important aspect of the story, but I'm curious how the book itself came to be.

The whole thing is just weird. Can't wrap my brain around it all yet...lol

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:56 AM

25. It could be more important than it seems

Who connected her with Petreaus to do this book then connected her to a Washington Post editor to be her ghostwriter? It just doesn't seem like she was someone who would get all these important connections since she hadn't written a book before. Is there someone who connects these dots?

That's my question, I want to know who the common denominator is.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:04 AM

30. Gotcha (HuffPo excerpt inside)

So the first time Broadwell met Petreaus was to do this book? See, I'm clueless still about a lot of the details.

If the connection came as a result of doing this book, you are sooooooo right. Where the idea for the book begin in the first place, and who nurtured it along?

The publisher is Penguin Press.

Actually, here's more info:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/12/vernon-loeb-washington-post-petraeus-biography_n_2115391.html

Loeb did not respond to a request from The Huffington Post on working with Broadwell, but spoke favorably in January about his co-author's reporting skills and how the two teamed up on a biography that grew out of her Harvard University dissertation.

In June 2010, when President Barack Obama tapped him to take charge in Afghanistan for what would become Petraeus' final command, Broadwell knew the time was right to parlay her dissertation into a biography.

Soon, she had an agent and a contract from Penguin Press. To help organize and write the book, she teamed with The Washington Post's Vernon Loeb. Broadwell proved to be an "absolutely intrepid" reporter, Loeb says, dictating from airports, filling up his email inbox and delivering "this fire hose of information."

Loeb suspects the media's interest in their book stems at least a bit from Broadwell herself. It's audacious, he says, "that she even attempted this. Here she has two young kids, a husband who's a doctor, and yet ... she's writing a book of this magnitude and hardly breaking a sweat."

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:49 AM

37. "hardly breaking a sweat"?

Weellll....

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:46 AM

36. She Had Access To Petreaus And The Ghostwriter Didn't....

the publisher saw the value in a book about Petreaus and bankrolled it. That's my analysis of this.

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Response to global1 (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:02 AM

40. Bur the story is that she got access to Petraeus because she was writing the book.

It really is a good question. If she wasn't the ghost-writer, why have her involved at all? She wasn't famous in her own right.

I think that she is very good at self-promotion.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:53 AM

16. That is...a great fucking question. nt

PB

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Response to get the red out (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:00 AM

27. It doesn't take fame

 

It just takes a large enough wallet to pay the ghostwriter.

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:54 AM

17. the whole ghostwriting thing

As a professional ghostwriter, I have to laugh at your comment. If people only knew how few books are actually written by their famous "authors," they'd laugh, too. And if I could find a way to clone myself into quintuplets, my trips to the bank would be nearly hysterical. But just so you know, it sometimes takes holding your nose. I've written books on subjects so boring to me personally that I felt like a prisoner of war. I've also written a few that oppose my personal idealogies. But it's a living.

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Response to Brainstormy (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:06 AM

20. I have done ghostwriting work as well...

and am fully aware how few books are written by their "famous" and, more and more often, completely unknown authors.

That's precisely why I feel it's out of control.




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Response to Brainstormy (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:59 AM

26. Agree

 

I am friends with a semi-famous author who has had books in the top 10 NYT best seller list.

But he "moonlights" by ghostwriting tomes for even-more famous authors than himself. There is never a mention of ghostwriter in those books.

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:53 AM

24. As someone pointed out yesterday, Loeb is the co-writer

of the Jessica Lynch "Hero" story that turned out to be completely false.

More on that: http://mediamythalert.wordpress.com/2012/05/28/misremembering-the-jessica-lynch-case-on-memorial-day/

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:06 AM

32. Very interesting. Thanks. n/t

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:40 AM

9. ". a good time for a guide to who's who and what's what: " NO KIDDING! How about an hourly version?

A competent journalistic researcher can't even keep up with this story. Call in the teams ... and DU ...

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:42 AM

11. Nobody sends 20-30K emails to someone with whom they're not intimately involved.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:36 AM

21. I get that much at work in a couple of years, they want everyone in the group to reply-to-all.

It makes for a hell of a lot of email from my boss and the lead tech.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:43 AM

13. And they were worried about gays in the military. n/t

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Response to doc03 (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:54 AM

38. with good cause. See how many marriages just went on the rocks here?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:55 AM

18. It starts to sound like the entire upper echelon is one big Boink Festival.

The President can't even make his way into the War Room without having to step over copulating couples in the halls.

The only thing saving the republic is that Mitch McConnell keeps showing up at republican caucuses wearing nothing but a sequined jockstrap and carrying a bottle of Mazola. That usually turns off enough people to enable them to focus on important business -- like getting re-elected -- long enough to keep up appearances.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:58 AM

19. Disconcerting that she didn't even write the book...

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:49 AM

22. Who is General John R. Allen?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Allen

In June 2008 Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced Allen's nomination for promotion to the rank of lieutenant general. He served as the deputy commander of the U.S. Central Command from 15 July 2008 1 June 2011 at MacDill Air Force Base. On June 30, 2010 Allen temporarily commanded Central Command after General David Petraeus left to assume command of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan. He served as acting commander until General James Mattis took command on August 11. Allen was promoted to general by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen prior to his assumption of command of ISAF, and U.S. Forces Afghanistan (USFOR-A) on 18 July 2011

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:51 AM

23. So, Paula is just the mistress, and someone else is actually the writer? How convenient!

This shit just gets deeper and deeper and ....

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:01 AM

29. No. It started out as her dissertation, and turned into a book.

She may be a jealous crazy woman, but she is an educated one.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:08 AM

33. she is not a mistress. there is nothing about her that fits into the definition of a mistress. nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:41 AM

34. good point - more like intimate friend?

Our language fails in some areas

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:01 AM

39. Well, we don't know all the favors he did for her yet..

So the "kept" part of the definition may be suspect in this case but everything else falls in line


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistress_(lover)

A mistress is a long-term female lover and companion who is not married to her partner; the term is used especially when her partner is married. The relationship generally is stable and at least semi-permanent; however, the couple does not live together openly. Also the relationship is usually, but not always, secret. There is an implication that a mistress may be "kept"i.e., that the lover is paying for some of the woman's living expenses.


Madame de Pompadour, mistress of Louis XV of France, circa 1750

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #39)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:04 AM

41. she was married. she was financially independent. she is a woman that screwed around just like the

man screwed around. no definition necessary. unless we have one that would be equally given to the man.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #41)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:49 AM

45. I get you don't like the word mistress...how about they were all sluts?

or the more formal, adulterer/adulteress?

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #45)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:08 PM

46. it is not about liking the word or not. it doesnt apply. nt

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:01 AM

28. Sounds like Ms. kelley had some things going on the side with Allen and the FBI guy...

No wonder Paula was worried......this WAS competition.........



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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:48 AM

44. I LOVE THIS STORY!!! I LOVE THE CORPS!!

Every march a parade!
Every day a holiday!

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