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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:47 AM

 

Egyptian Jihadist and 7th Century Primitives advocate for destruction of Pyramids (my title)

Oh ffs...

‘Destroy the idols,’ Egyptian jihadist calls for removal of Sphinx, Pyramids

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/12/249092.html

An Egyptian jihad leader, with self-professed links to the Taliban, called for the “destruction of the Sphinx and the Giza Pyramids in Egypt,” drawing ties between the Egyptian relics and Buddha statues, local media reported this week.

Murgan Salem al-Gohary, an Islamist leader twice-sentenced under former President Hosni Mubarak for advocating violence, called on Muslims to remove such “idols.”





just a question... IF people like him actually start lining up dump trucks and bulldozers and setting explosives can the world physically stop them?

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Reply Egyptian Jihadist and 7th Century Primitives advocate for destruction of Pyramids (my title) (Original post)
Polldancer2012 Nov 2012 OP
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #1
David__77 Nov 2012 #6
Polldancer2012 Nov 2012 #7
hifiguy Nov 2012 #18
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #11
David__77 Nov 2012 #12
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #13
pampango Nov 2012 #14
closeupready Nov 2012 #16
defacto7 Nov 2012 #2
Confusious Nov 2012 #3
defacto7 Nov 2012 #8
Confusious Nov 2012 #9
defacto7 Nov 2012 #10
Confusious Nov 2012 #15
dimbear Nov 2012 #4
myrna minx Nov 2012 #5
hifiguy Nov 2012 #17

Response to Polldancer2012 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:51 AM

1. I would sanction force to stop them

The Pyramids are in Egypt and belong to them, however they also belong to everyone

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:34 AM

6. They belong to Egypt.

The people of Egypt have the right to stop that, not the people of the US.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:14 PM

7. I think they belong to all of mankind nt

 

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Response to Polldancer2012 (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:30 PM

18. Agreed.

They are part of the cultural inheritance of the human race.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:23 PM

11. They are a world heritage site

So yes, in theory we could see intervention from foreign forces.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:53 AM

12. "World heritage site" justifies foreign MILITARY intervention?

UNESCO putting a location on some list does not in any way create a legal or moral basis for violating national sovereignty. Guess they better not build a minimall in the Everglades, or North Korea might have a mandate under to invade.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:55 AM

13. I know treaty law means nothing, but yes

Especially something like the Pyramids.

That said, I suspect Morsi will put a stop to that talk soon...money and tourism.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:31 AM

14. That raises a good question. Do the Pyramids belong to Egypt or to everyone? Not just legally

(under current international law) but morally. Should the rest of humanity have a say in whether the Pyramids are destroyed? Aside from the complicated question of what, if anything, the rest of us could do if the Egyptian government actually decided to destroy them, should we have a say? Or does nationalism rule the day. A national government can do whatever it wants within its own borders.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:28 PM

16. The US may not have the legal right, but I would support

US action against it anyway.

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Response to Polldancer2012 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:51 AM

2. The pyramids would stop them

There isn't any way to wreck those things. The sphinx maybe, but have you ever seen those things? All they would do is waste their explosives. Or nuke them with really big nukes.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:57 AM

3. It's sandstone

explosives would turn it to dust.

It would take a while, but it would happen.

The pyramids don't have the mystical power to survive that.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:06 PM

8. never said there were mystical powers.

They could do some damage, but the inner pyramid is granite. The amount of time it would take for anyone to level them would be years and there is not enough man power or money outside of the whole of Egypt that could accomplish the destruction and they don't have it. It's not like in Timbuktu where a bunch of guys with guns break down some doors and wreck stuff. It's not like the Buddhas that were destroyed that could be easily brought down by their own weight. The structure and geometry of the Pyramids would make it almost impossible without massive long term effort. No one would or could pull it off. No one would let it happen considering the time it would take.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:19 PM

9. Only the inner chamber is granite

And I was wrong, most of it is limestone, an even softer rock.

I would be willing to bet, if you packed the inner chamber and grand gallery with c4, that quite a bit of the top of the pyramid would be gone.

A "daisy cutter" is smaller then the inner chamber and creates a huge explosion.

But as for removing the last of it, that would take quite a few years.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:19 PM

10. considering the Khufu pyramid, the inner chambers,

and there are more than one, are deep in the structure not high. The granite is several layers of approx. 5x5x10 meter stones that are between 20 and 40 tons each and overlaying each other and lock jointed like brick masonry. No one really knows for sure how deeply embedded they are. The tolerance of the stone geometry is also extremely accurate so there is no room for faulting which is what causes breakage under pressure. I think what you would get would be a huge cannon blasting out the opening rather than an actual implosion. It may blast out the original door that has been walled in for many thousands of years but is also embedded by granite stone though not as accurately set. I'm sure with enough explosive, you could do about anything but it wouldn't be small bananas like these guys are capable of getting without an awful lot of attention moving it there.

Planting explosives on the outside would do damage but only so deep and I think the inner structure would remain intact.

Again, if the Egyptian government wanted to level the thing or even make it implode, they may be capable; but even that I'm not sure. But terrorists? They don't have that kind of firepower. And remember... there are 3 of them.

Anyway, it would be over Zahi Hawas's dead body.

Possibly... a nuke.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:55 PM

15. Too bad we don't have access to a supercomputer

I'd bet you a ten.

But three guys, Yea, they'll never get enough c4 in there.

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Response to Polldancer2012 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:20 AM

4. Might want to check how important tourism is to Egypt there, Murgan.

Well that, and the foreign aid we send.

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Response to Polldancer2012 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:57 AM

5. FYI - Here's a little background on the source:

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Response to Polldancer2012 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:29 PM

17. There is an very, very old, Arab proverb:

"Time laughs at everything; but the pyramids laugh at time."

This inbred assklown may want to consider the wisdom of that statement. The mental disease known as religious fanaticism is the single greatest threat to the continued survival of the human species.

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