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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:25 AM

 

The Marijuana Industrial Complex in a Nutshell.

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Reply The Marijuana Industrial Complex in a Nutshell. (Original post)
Whovian Nov 2012 OP
Dawson Leery Nov 2012 #1
Ed Suspicious Nov 2012 #2
msongs Nov 2012 #3
Whovian Nov 2012 #4
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #5
msongs Nov 2012 #7
Whovian Nov 2012 #8
Lizzie Poppet Nov 2012 #19
BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #9
Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #30
liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #15
freshwest Nov 2012 #6
SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #10
AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #11
tama Nov 2012 #13
appal_jack Nov 2012 #16
tama Nov 2012 #18
appal_jack Nov 2012 #20
tama Nov 2012 #22
eShirl Nov 2012 #23
tama Nov 2012 #24
eShirl Nov 2012 #25
tama Nov 2012 #26
eShirl Nov 2012 #28
tama Nov 2012 #29
eShirl Nov 2012 #31
Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #17
AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #33
davidpdx Nov 2012 #12
Blanks Nov 2012 #14
juajen Nov 2012 #21
Blanks Nov 2012 #34
Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #27
Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #32
Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #35

Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:26 AM

1. Eliminate law enforcement unions.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:26 AM

2. Wrong answer. n/t

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:27 AM

3. legalize grow your own. all other options are irrelevant nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:33 AM

4. That worked out well for people who thought they could distill their own.

 

Moneyed interests will do their best to stop that from ever happening.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:38 AM

5. +1 nt

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Response to Whovian (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:52 AM

7. planting a few seeds is not quite the extravaganza that is distilling lol nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:55 AM

8. True dat. But if pot is legalized, taxes will come into play and... n/t

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:18 PM

19. True...but growing quality marijuana's not just a matter of planting a few seeds.

Marijuana horticulture with an eye towards growing high-quality bud requires research and effort. I'd agree that it's less complex than distilling liquor, but you still have to know what you're doing, have the right equipment, etc.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:12 AM

9. Exactly.

There are already statutes on the books requiring huge amounts of dough to apply for and be granted a growing/vending license. Just like what happened with booze. Legalization will not mean you can grow your own, and sell the excess.

It'll be something that only big corporations can make a go of. Sure, they've been lobbying against legalization - but they're not stupid, and they're covering all the other bets too.

I wonder if our lawmakers realize that if pot is legalized on corporate terms, all the underground economic activity that's kept many states afloat will vanish. Pot is the biggest agricultural crop in four states I'm aware of - including California. The profits from corporate pot will disappear to the Cayman Islands, just like all the rest of their profits do.

And we will all get even poorer, as yet more of our money is magicked away.

Oh yeah - and then the cops will be seriously enforcing the pot laws. They don't now, for regular citizens. But let's keep in mind that not only will corporations hog all the pot revenue: as I recall, they're pretty well on their way to having the private prison industry subsume the federal and state prison franchise.

It's a WIN/WIN!! < /sarcasm >

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Response to Whovian (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:32 PM

30. You can make your own wine or beer for personal and family use. It shouldn't be an issue to grow

your own weed. And by shouldn't, I mean in a sane and level-headed society.

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:08 AM

15. +1

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:39 AM

6. In contrast, when we voted for legalization, a friend's son, an LEO emailed asking her to vote NO.

We were thinking it was a knee jerk reaction on his part, like 'pot is bad,' or something along those lines.

So she had a talk with him in person.

'Why should we have voted No?' She asked.

He said, 'It'll make more work for us.'

Go figure.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:15 AM

10. There were an awful lot of retired cops in Colorado

stumping for the passage of 64... I think most cops want it legal so they can deal with "real" crime.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:30 AM

11. I like it, but I think an addition should be made to #3.

I don't think the tobacco companies want cannabis to be re-legalized either.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:47 AM

13. Why not?

 

Cannabis is a gateway drug to a more dangerous drug, tobacco. And also cigarette paper industry loves joint rolling pot smokers.

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Response to tama (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:57 AM

16. Nonsense.

You're going to need to cite a well-structured, peer-reviewed study for this absurd claim, or I'm calling bullshit...

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:03 PM

18. No I don't need to

 

I smoke pot and know many others pot smokers who have started smoking tobacco because they smoke cannabis. The custom of mixing herb with tobacco is very common and with predictable consequenses.

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Response to tama (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:29 PM

20. Data is not the plural of anecdote, buddy.

Data is not the plural of anecdote, buddy.

Too bad that you're smoking tobacco, but a trend this does not make.

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:54 PM

22. Just Common Sense Hypothesis and Prediction

 

and now with little google, verified by data:

ABSTRACT
Aims To examine the risk posed by cannabis use in young people for tobacco use disorders. Specifically we examined whether cannabis use in non-smokers predicted later initiation of tobacco use and whether cannabis use predicted later nicotine dependence in tobacco users.

Design A 10-year eight-wave cohort study.

Setting State of Victoria, Australia.

Participants A community sample of 1943 participants initially aged 14–15 years.

Measurements Self-report of tobacco and cannabis use was assessed in the teens using a computerized interview assessment and in young adulthood with a CATI assessment. The Fagerström Test for Nicotine Dependence was used to define nicotine dependence.

Findings For teen non-smokers, at least one report of weekly cannabis use in the teens predicted a more than eightfold increase in the odds of later initiation of tobacco use (OR 8.3; 95% CI 1.9–36). For 21-year-old smokers, not yet nicotine-dependent, daily cannabis use raised the odds of nicotine dependence at the  age  of  24 years  more  than  threefold  (OR  3.6,  1.2,  10)  after  controlling  for possible confounders, including level of tobacco use and subsyndromal signs of nicotine dependence.

Conclusions Weekly or more cannabis use during the teens and young adulthood is associated with an increased risk of late initiation of tobacco use and progression to nicotine dependence. If this effect is causal, it may be that a heightened risk of nicotine dependence is the most important health consequence of early frequent cannabis use.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2005.01220.x/abstract;jsessionid=09C4CB56C17752876BEDC793D3D9E815.d01t01?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

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Response to tama (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:11 PM

23. ? "The custom of mixing herb with tobacco is very common"

I've only ever heard of this being common in England. I've certainly never heard of anyone in the U.S. doing this.

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Response to eShirl (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:38 PM

24. Interesting

 

Almost everybody in Europe rolls or stuffs bong with tobacco mix, "hipster" and purist minority rolls pure, with leaves or knaster.

How do you roll there?

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Response to tama (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:48 PM

25. Who would ruin a perfectly good joint by adding tobacco?

It's insanity.

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Response to eShirl (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:02 PM

26. Most Europeans nt

 

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Response to tama (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:14 PM

28. hm

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Response to eShirl (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:25 PM

29. One of the main reasons

 

is that for long time, hash was all there was, as it's easier to smuggle. Smoking weed and home growing are relatively new phenomena in Europe.

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Response to tama (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:38 PM

31. ah, ok

makes sense to me now, thanks

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:09 PM

17. I'd rather they not be involved anyway.

I'd prefer pot be sold in a pure unadulterated form and not laced with additives or mixed with tobacco. I'm hoping it would be available in bud form and pre-rolled cigarettes would be banned.

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Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:56 PM

33. This, x1000. n/t =)

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:51 AM

12. I think time will tell with the measures in Colorado and Washington passing

Hopefully they will serve as a testing ground for other states to craft legislation or ballot measures. Oregon's measure wasn't not written very well and had no limits on the amount allowed for recreational use while there is a limit for medicinal use. Doesn't make much sense. I am open to legalization if the law is written in a sensible way. I voted for Oregon's medicinal marijuana law.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:05 AM

14. We should be able to grow whatever plants we want.

It's ridiculous that the government can outlaw a biological process. No wonder we have global warming/climate change.

Let all of the growers out of prison/jail. If they feel like they have to make something illegal; make the process (converting plants to dangerous drugs) illegal.

Growing plants should be a constitutional right. It's ridiculous that we have an entire economy built around incarcerating people for interacting with a plant.

Over-turning prohibition did more damage to the mob than it did to any other group. We need a U.S. Constitutional amendment granting citizens the right to grow any and all plants. In a few years we'll look back on this and see it for the huge favor for special interests that it is.

BTW, I'm a gardener; not a stoner. We can own assault rifles, but can't grow certain plants; it makes no sense.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:29 PM

21. I heartily agree! I was incensed when I was not permitted to buy a pretty sage plant,

because, omg, you could get high from it? I have herbs all over my garden. Forbidding the growth of herbs or plants is ridiculous.

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Response to juajen (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:33 PM

34. It's particularly true with hemp...

There was a thread not too long ago where someone was explaining the environmental advantages to growing hemp for paper and I believe cloth. Seems like it requires less water and time than conventional methods.

It seems like an issue where big business benefits from restricting individual freedoms. We should all be able to get behind this regardless of political affiliation.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:04 PM

27. Proof?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:31 AM

35. Thank you

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