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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:05 AM

WH Petition: Respond to un-American, Racist and treasonous calls for State Secession

Multiple petitions have been started for states to leave the Union. (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions). Texas has about 50K petitions currently. (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B )

I wrote a petition that reaffirms some basic American beliefs in Democracy and the rule of law. I need 150 signatures to have it viewable on the White House's website. I would ask that you follow the link below and help me get these signatures. Thank you.

http://wh.gov/9Lvn

There have been multiple calls for secession from the Union of various States posted on the White House’s “We the People” website. We petition that the White house respond forcefully to these requests and reaffirm basic American values of democracy and rule of law. This country fought a bloody and costly war over the question of secession and calls for secession should be answered by reaffirming our basic belief in the system of democracy and law we inherited from our forefathers. Calls to undermine this country because of a lawful and democratic election should be denounced by all Americans of any political party or ideology. This is, and should always remain, “one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”


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Reply WH Petition: Respond to un-American, Racist and treasonous calls for State Secession (Original post)
BrentWil Nov 2012 OP
BrentWil Nov 2012 #1
Mielikki Nov 2012 #2
BrentWil Nov 2012 #3
stopbush Nov 2012 #4
BrentWil Nov 2012 #5
nc4bo Nov 2012 #12
BrentWil Nov 2012 #17
RainDog Nov 2012 #28
BrentWil Nov 2012 #37
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #6
ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #7
BrentWil Nov 2012 #9
ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #11
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #27
Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #8
BrentWil Nov 2012 #18
ErikJ Nov 2012 #10
cordelia Nov 2012 #29
meow2u3 Nov 2012 #31
JoeyT Nov 2012 #38
jillan Nov 2012 #13
BrentWil Nov 2012 #14
Care Acutely Nov 2012 #15
BrentWil Nov 2012 #16
BrentWil Nov 2012 #19
BrentWil Nov 2012 #20
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #21
BrentWil Nov 2012 #22
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #32
kentauros Nov 2012 #23
BrentWil Nov 2012 #25
BrentWil Nov 2012 #24
Historic NY Nov 2012 #26
BrentWil Nov 2012 #30
SpartanDem Nov 2012 #33
BrentWil Nov 2012 #34
CheapShotArtist Nov 2012 #35
BrentWil Nov 2012 #39
Dems50State Nov 2012 #36
BrentWil Nov 2012 #40
BrentWil Nov 2012 #41

Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:18 AM

1. Had a mis-spelling in the first petition

I had a misspelling in the first petition. I posted another one really quick. I don't think anyone signed yet, but if you did please sign this one again.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:19 AM

2. ''Patriot'', my ass.

Funny how the same people who swear they're patriots, cloak themselves in the American flag and scream ''USA USA USA'' at any criticism are the same ones who want to secede. Which is literally THE most un-American thing you can do.

(On a side note, it's friggin' awesome when these guys get upset and threaten to move to Canada. A country that has gay marriage, a form of universal healthcare, gun control etc. - pretty much everything they hate...)

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Response to Mielikki (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:25 AM

3. It is rather sad.

and funny. However, it still should be condemned by all

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:31 AM

4. Remove the "under god" language and I'll sign.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:35 AM

5. Would have to redo it...

And I already have one signature!!!

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Response to BrentWil (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:45 AM

12. My opinion..

if you're going to do this, might as well do it right and take some of the advice of your fellow DUers.

Those that signed will come back and re-sign - just correct it/make your changes now.

JMHO

Btw, I'm #3.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:23 AM

17. I think you are right, in a way..

But I like the wording. It re-enforces that secession is treason by the use of the pledge of allegiance.

Plus I have posted the link at various other places on the web.

I did try to get consensus on wording on another thread. But if I knew that this would be an objection to signing it, I would have reworded or thought of using something else besides the pledge of allegiance.

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Response to BrentWil (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:30 AM

28. "Under God" was added in the 1950s

in response to the red scare from Republicans.

Many people find it offensive.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:08 PM

37. That is true. NT

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:37 AM

6. kr. traitors.

 

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:37 AM

7. I don't think the White House needs to respond to this

stupidity. Nothing will ever come of it .....it's just a bunch of silly yahoos that the President doesn't need to acknowledge.

He'd have gone crazy if he had addressed ever action of stupidity by the redneck crowd.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:43 AM

9. Actually...

They respond to any petition that gets more then 25,000 signitures

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Response to BrentWil (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:45 AM

11. Okay - I personally don't think they should.

Just my opinion.

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Response to BrentWil (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:21 AM

27. A nice courtesy letter from WH staffers

With a copy filed in archives

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:41 AM

8. I really truly wish...

that people would stop bandying about the completely stupid phrase "un-American". The whole idea that "Americanism" involves adhering to whatever set of beliefs and values the speaker happens to be in favour of, and that there's some quasi-religious moral aspect to "Americanism", is frankly really fucking creepy nationalism of a sort that no other country really engages in. I don't think you can call the idea of secession "un-American", anyway; what was that whole war of independence about again? Oh right...seceding from Britain. And you know, if a majority of the population in any state vote to secede from the Union? Let them go; that's democracy (and also self-determination, which is a recognised right under international law). If you think that the people of a state that's voted to secede should be compelled by force of arms to remain in the Union then you don't actually believe in democracy, sorry. Not that a majority of Texans, or Louisianans, or South Carolinians, or whoever, would vote to secede anyway; these petitions are pissed-off racists who can't believe Obama got re-elected having a massive and public tantrum about it, and don't really deserve any notice.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:30 AM

18. Democracy doesn't work..

If you get to leave because you lost an election. It becomes an unworkable system.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:43 AM

10. I pray the South secedes.

Then we could easily pass every Progressive idea needed.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:45 AM

29. I pray the Green Party disappears and its wasted votes no longer

subtract from viable Democratic candidates.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:28 AM

31. Be careful what you pray for

The South seceded in the 19th century and then proceded to provoke the Civil War. If they did it then, they may well attack the US now. They won't rest until we're destroyed--and they call US the enemy?!

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:24 PM

38. So you're pro-secession as well?

That's good to know.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:53 AM

13. Done.

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Response to jillan (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:54 AM

14. Thanks!

Just need to get it above 150 signitures

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:57 AM

15. Done.

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Response to Care Acutely (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:14 AM

16. Thanks!

141 to go

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:48 AM

19. Not to bad for just posting this...

12 signatures. If you have the time, please post this on Facebook, twitter, etc.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:15 AM

20. 15 signed!!! NT

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:33 AM

21. #17 here - I keep thinking of Lincoln's peroration in

 

"The Gettysburg Address":

that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

****************************

Thanks for doing this. Never would have occurred to me.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:29 AM

22. Thanks. Up to 19

Post on Facebook if you can. Breaking 150 is the goal. That makes it viewable on the website.

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Response to BrentWil (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:09 PM

32. Done on FB also. I'm not much of a Social Network-er type. Now

 

"Socialist networker" maybe

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:46 AM

23. I just signed it!



It's too bad we can't get the Anti-South DUers (including those in this thread) to sign, too

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Response to kentauros (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:01 AM

25. Thanks!

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:16 AM

26. And to think they all wanted their country back..!!!

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:23 AM

30. Thanks for signing!

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:14 PM

33. Done

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Response to SpartanDem (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:00 PM

34. Thanks !! NT

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:09 PM

35. These people who call themselves patriots

happen to be the same ones who are the quickest to want to secede. They don't consider anybody other than fellow wingnuts to be patriots, which is why they were so quiet when Shrub was president and now they're raising Hell while Obama is in the WH.

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Response to CheapShotArtist (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:46 PM

39. The do wrap themselves in the flag NT

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:17 PM

36. Where's Rick Perry? This is his golden chance

 

He can be the President of Tea Land. First rule of Tea land is Up is Down and Down is Up. The Sky is Green and the grass is blue. Always stay in a Bubble never step outside the bubble. If you see a outsider in our lands self deport them. Oh and George W Bush is Jesus.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:42 PM

40. Anyone that can put this on Facebook or twit it?

WOuld be very helpful. 150 is the magic number.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:56 PM

41. 1/5th to 150 NT

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