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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:28 PM

A Repug voter finally wises up

"I can accept that my news is not really "news" like news in Cronkite's day, but a conservative take on the news. But it's unacceptable that Rasmussen appears to have distinguished themselves from everyone else in their quest to shade the numbers to appease us, the base. I didn't even look at other polls, to tell the truth, trusting that their methodology was more sound because it jived with what I was hearing on Fox and with people I talked to. It pains me to say this, but next time I want a dose of hard truth, I'm looking to Nate Silver, even if I don't like the results." --reader comment to the article found at http://www.redstate.com/mikehammond/2012/11/07/30-reasons-republicans-lost-the-election/

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Response to Binders Keepers (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:31 PM

1. No wonder it feels like we live in two separate countries.

We live in two separate 'realities.'

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Response to tblue (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:31 PM

5. That is more true than most people realize.

 

Reality is created by perception. And there are definitely two basic visions of America which are not compatible.

Don't worry, though, ours is the correct one. As bold as that may sound, it is supported by all of the evidence.

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Response to Maplegrass (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:06 AM

6. Not quite correct about Reality vs. Perception

Reality is reality period.
Perception is a human being's view of reality but is not quite reality itself.

Reality is NOT created by perception.
"Reality" may be created by perception but not Reality.

Even with the best perception no human being can get full reality of anything.
The best we can hope for is a good slice of total reality.
But bad perceptions don't even give us that.

We here at Democratic Underground have a more quality perception of reality than most Republicans do.
These angry Republicans have a terrible perception of reality—a warped "reality".
We're all missing some valuable information but we'll be better able to handle that information when it comes unlike the ones who choose to remain in that false "reality".

Reality is Truth & Truth cannot be manipulated.
Perceptions can be manipulated.
The best we can do is to best match our limited perceptions to actual Reality.
But there is always some part of Reality we can't perceive.
John Lucas

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Response to Binders Keepers (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:35 PM

2. I had conservative people mention the Rasmussen and Gallop results to me as "proof" that

that Romney was headed for a big win. They were so fucking confident leading up to and early on election day. Do I feel sorry for them? No, all of them are insufferable assholes. I didn't gloat on Wednesday and don't gloat now. My concern is that democrats stay involve in every election regardless of what that election is.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:56 PM

3. Both Gallup and Ras Brought Their Results More In Line as the Election Neared

but for weeks before both showed Romney with a big lead. No way the race changed as dramatically as they indicated in their tracking polls. Their credibility is shot for the next cycle.

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Response to Binders Keepers (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:13 PM

4. Just proves the fact that people watch FOX news to...

re-enforce their already preconceived notions. They don't want facts they want reassurance. Sounds like this guy might be starting to catch on. Maybe the folks that are claiming that GOP is making a turn around on some key issues are actually right. Only time will tell.

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Response to cgnick (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:30 AM

10. +1 nt

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Response to Binders Keepers (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:12 AM

7. "I can accept that my news is not really "news" like news in Cronkite's day..."

 

rupert murdoch's target audience.

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Response to Binders Keepers (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:06 AM

8. Thanks Binders.. you've uncover a rarity!

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Response to Binders Keepers (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:17 AM

9. I'm at the point where I attribute any half way reasonable comments coming

from their side to democrats who are trying to gently nudge freepers in the right direction through irony and personal anecdotes. A Fox News viewer who suddenly sees the light? LOL!

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Response to Binders Keepers (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:59 AM

11. An interesting point of usage in the comment.

The redstater says that Rasmussen's numbers "jived with what I was hearing on Fox...." That's not surprising. Fox can be counted on to jive its viewers.

"Jive" means to deceive or be deceptive. "Jibe" means to agree. The writer meant "jibed" but I think what he wrote is appropriate, too.

I must admit that I've seen "jive" use to mean "agree" on DU, also. According to Wiktionary, "while one recent dictionary accepts this usage, most sources consider this an error."

Finally, while I'm in pedantic mode, I'll add that "gibe" is yet a third different word, meaning to insult or taunt.

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Response to Binders Keepers (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:07 AM

12. I just can't believe that the ROMNEY CAMPAIGN bought into this.

It would make more sense if they knew the reality but lied to their supporters. But if they really did choose to exist - or at least to keep Romney/Ryan - in this same bubble, then...

...I'm just glad disaster was averted.

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Response to Binders Keepers (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:22 AM

13. Wow. Their disconnect from reality began with the first reason Republicans lost--because DEMOCRATS

picked the GOP candidate? Seriously? Even Redstate couldn't be THAT delusional. Come on, fellow, DUers, how awesome would it have been if Palin, Bachmann, Santorum, or Gingrinch had been the nominee? I would've slept like a baby all election season, LOL.

30 Reasons Republicans Lost The Election

By: Michael Hammond (Diary) | November 7th, 2012 at 09:52 AM

1. They Allowed Democrats To Pick Their Nominee For Them. A succession of potential Republican nominees -– Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich –- were bright, attractive, and have compelling narratives. Instead, Republican voters (or, at least, enough of them) bought into this Democratic mantra that only a liberal stand-for-nothing Republican can win a presidential election.



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