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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:53 PM

Now this is a cool electoral map

The map we're used to seeing exaggerates the size of the Republican vote, since there are a lot of red states that are large in area but small in population. In this cartogram, where 1 square = 1 electoral vote, Obama's mandate becomes easier to see.



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proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 OP
valerief Nov 2012 #1
Coyotl Nov 2012 #35
Populist_Prole Nov 2012 #43
valerief Nov 2012 #49
Marksman_91 Nov 2012 #67
Coyotl Nov 2012 #71
unc70 Nov 2012 #82
N_E_1 for Tennis Nov 2012 #72
smirkymonkey Nov 2012 #79
ReallyIAmAnOptimist Nov 2012 #77
Coyotl Nov 2012 #80
Chorophyll Nov 2012 #2
Journeyman Nov 2012 #3
proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #6
toby jo Nov 2012 #31
Hutzpa Nov 2012 #4
Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #5
dchill Nov 2012 #41
femrap Nov 2012 #7
Blanks Nov 2012 #20
JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2012 #21
Blanks Nov 2012 #23
femrap Nov 2012 #28
hack89 Nov 2012 #52
femrap Nov 2012 #66
hack89 Nov 2012 #73
Coyotl Nov 2012 #81
Blanks Nov 2012 #83
fromwyoming Nov 2012 #62
femrap Nov 2012 #65
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #8
FailureToCommunicate Nov 2012 #9
Live and Learn Nov 2012 #13
proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #24
Not Sure Nov 2012 #25
FailureToCommunicate Nov 2012 #34
PatrynXX Nov 2012 #10
pokerfan Nov 2012 #51
WillyT Nov 2012 #11
Live and Learn Nov 2012 #12
pkdu Nov 2012 #14
kag Nov 2012 #15
xtraxritical Nov 2012 #18
daisiebell Nov 2012 #16
Cha Nov 2012 #17
dmr Nov 2012 #19
Skinner Nov 2012 #22
JHB Nov 2012 #26
Fawke Em Nov 2012 #37
JHB Nov 2012 #45
JimDandy Nov 2012 #27
CreekDog Nov 2012 #57
underoath Nov 2012 #29
Care Acutely Nov 2012 #68
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #70
RedCloud Nov 2012 #30
Ian_rd Nov 2012 #32
Daniel537 Nov 2012 #78
Coyotl Nov 2012 #33
rivegauche Nov 2012 #36
Divine Discontent Nov 2012 #42
rivegauche Nov 2012 #47
MNBrewer Nov 2012 #38
heaven05 Nov 2012 #39
PNW_Dem Nov 2012 #40
Scurrilous Nov 2012 #44
Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #46
Bigredhunk Nov 2012 #48
pokerfan Nov 2012 #50
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #69
trueblue2u Nov 2012 #53
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #54
leveymg Nov 2012 #55
krispos42 Nov 2012 #56
qanda Nov 2012 #58
PennsylvaniaMatt Nov 2012 #59
Up2Late Nov 2012 #60
enki23 Nov 2012 #61
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #63
YOHABLO Nov 2012 #64
SCALA13 Nov 2012 #74
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #75
DallasNE Nov 2012 #76

Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:05 PM

1. Way cool map! nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:43 PM

35. Check these maps to overlay on electoral pattern







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Response to Coyotl (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:19 PM

43. Now THAT overlay really nails it doesn't it

Sure does tell a none too flattering story of the red staters.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:03 PM

49. Those are great. No surprises, however. nt

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:55 PM

67. Huh, kinda surprised at the Leading Church Bodies map

The Catholic Church is much more prominent in the Midwestern states than I thought.

Of course, seeing its dominance in parts close to the Mexican border and southern Florida is no surprise, the overwhelming latino presence there makes it a given.

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Response to Marksman_91 (Reply #67)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:07 AM

71. The Mormons are an island in a sea of Catholics.

Of course, leading church might be a smallish fraction of the people when there are many varieties of delusion abounding.

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Response to Marksman_91 (Reply #67)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:06 AM

82. The religion map is suspect

I know the NC county religious map fairly well and it does not match the religion one for NC. This looks like it is based on old, sel-reported membership counts from the 90's that exaggerated the Baptists. NC is much more varied. Missing millions of Methodists, etc.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:34 AM

72. Thank you, This is awesome

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:24 AM

79. Very interesting overlay.

Pretty much tells a complete story w/ the OP map (which is GREAT!). Not all that surprised though.

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Response to valerief (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:17 AM

77. It's still missleading because the EV is winner take all (except in Nebraska)...

I like this map, but it's still misleading.

...we need a map that:
1) adjusts to population (as this does)
AND
2) Instead of Blue or red, uses shades of purple

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Response to ReallyIAmAnOptimist (Reply #77)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:24 AM

80. There is one that has more refined coloring, cities are blue in red states

but it is dizzying in complexity.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:07 PM

2. That IS cool.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:15 PM

3. I like this as well. I tell people it proves White mostly voted for Obama, Black mostly for Romney…


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Response to Journeyman (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:11 PM

6. LOL!

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:50 PM

31. sweet

 

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:17 PM

4. If they can count all those 614,000 votes in AZ

it might just look different with AZ going blue perhaps.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:34 PM

5. Florida REALLY looks good in blue. nt

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Response to Tigress DEM (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:14 PM

41. Second that!

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:12 PM

7. Thank you...

 

finally someone makes a picture of the fact that NO ONE LIVES IN ND, SD, MT, ID, WY, etc.

I'm quite sure that deer and/or cattle out number people in those states.

Great Post!

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Response to femrap (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:32 AM

20. Hunting states vs non-hunting states.

The importance of the gun control issue can't be understated. The red-staters are convinced that the government is going to take their guns away.

The democrats don't fight hard enough in those states to overcome that belief.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:41 AM

21. There are plenty of hunting states in the blue area

Michigan's firearm season starts in two days.

And there will be some Democrats among the hunters.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:58 AM

23. No doubt.

I'm sure there's hunting all over the 'blue' west coast.

Politics is a majority rules game (particularly with electoral votes). I'm merely suggesting that in the red states there is a higher concentration of hunters because there is more wide open spaces. Among those voters; there are single issue voters. That single issue is gun control.

I don't feel like gun control is addressed adequately to hunters in the red states.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:08 PM

28. Maybe the hunting

 

staters should spend some time in Chicago or other large city and see how guns are used there. And visa versa.

But I just don't understand why anyone would need an AK47. For hunting?

I've fantasized about all the elk, moose, deer, bears, antelope, wolves, bobcats, etc. would gather together and stampede the hunters dressed in orange. Show them who is boss.

I mean, look at the over population of humans!

I grew up on a farm w/ my grandparents. They did not hunt...no guns at all. Just raised beef cattle, dairy, corn and soybeans. Grandpa didn't even kill groundhogs...now my uncles and cousins think it's great fun and required. I don't know what has happened. These dudes get together and all they talk about is guns. It's surreal. I really have no respect for them and spend as little time around them as possible.

I've asked my mother....are you sure I'm not adopted? LOL. The family is all bible-thumping repugnants.

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Response to femrap (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:27 PM

52. Semi-automatic rifles are perfect for hunting

most states limit magazine to 5 rounds. AK clones do not not fire particularly powerful round so in some states they cannot be used to hunt larger game like elk but they make perfect deer rifles at moderate range (300 yards). But they are cheap, compact and rugged - just what you need for hunting.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #52)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:09 PM

66. I always enjoy

 

hearing about the various and stupid mistakes deer hunters make...shooting their foot or a fellow hunter. But human population is high so I guess it keeps our world balanced.

I prefer hunting rapists and seahawks.

buh-bye.

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Response to femrap (Reply #66)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:41 AM

73. So you enjoy human misery and tragedy? ok. nt

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Response to Blanks (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:27 AM

81. I call BS

In ND the red voters elected a woman Dem who hunts like everyone else. There is no "The red-staters" out there. There are myriad voters of all shades and stripes and no such monolith exists.

To win elections, you have to understand the complexity, not lump everyone into some single block.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #81)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:01 AM

83. One thing I can guarantee you in Arkansas...

If you've got a democrat running for office; he's gonna have an ad with him carrying a hunting rifle.

To win elections you have to have a majority. Part of getting a majority is understanding your voters. If you have a large population of hunters; you claim one candidate is gonna take their guns. If the candidate (or party) that they are accusing doesn't respond; they will lose the hunters.

That's what I see going on; granted it is my own perception. Democrats very often win in built-up areas even in red states. Certainly guns aren't the only issue, but it is one of them. I think it's a big one.

I'm not claiming a 'monolith'; I'm saying that very often when we lose in big hunting states we've let the 'hunting vote' slide.

I'll bet this woman hunter in ND made it clear that she's a hunter; just like the Arkansas democrats did that have won in the past.

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Response to femrap (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:21 PM

62. Belly of the beast

LOVE this electoral college map. And there may only be seven progressive democrats in Wyoming, but we are living here in the belly of the beast doing our best to give it heartburn. With idiot senators like John Barrasso and clueless representatives like Cynthia Lummis, it isn't easy. We had our Obama/Biden signs stolen twice but that is progress! Last time our house was egged twice. Progress!

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Response to fromwyoming (Reply #62)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:03 PM

65. Progress, INDEED!

 

I've driven through Wyoming a couple of times. I liked it. Very few people which was nice...but I guess most of them are not the ones I want to know.

In 2004, some one drove through the yard to knock down our Kerry signs...ended up hitting a phone pole. What idiots! This year....no one touched a thing!

Hey, welcome to DU!

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:14 PM

8. Nice...

Thanks.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:15 PM

9. Nice. Here is my favorite:

Last edited Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:25 AM - Edit history (1)



http://politicalmaps.org/2012-electoral-map/

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:34 PM

13. Another good one. Thanks.

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:31 AM

24. That's a good one!

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:45 AM

25. Whoa! That's trippy! n/t

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Response to Not Sure (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:32 PM

34. Even more trippy one...

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:25 PM

10. So tiny Hawaii takes up one more square than Alaska? :)

wanna find one long dead zone for most cell phones? Kearney NE and maybe a little further west but from 1/2 of Nebraska to the west to almost CO total dead zone and using google earth I might as well watch Open Range.

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:17 PM

51. seems about right

Population...

Hawaii 1,360,301 (2 house seats)
Alaska 710,231 (1 house seat)

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:27 PM

11. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!






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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:33 PM

12. That is great. Thanks. nt

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:47 PM

14. Love it!....my mantra for Repugs is "dirt doesn't vote" ! ....this

Shows it beautifully !

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Response to pkdu (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:07 AM

15. I'm so stealing that!

"Dirt doesn't vote!"

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Response to kag (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:55 AM

18. I think 49.7% of dirt did vote. I'd rather be dead than red!

 

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:41 AM

16. map

Wow! That was really a cool map. President Obama might have used it last election.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:26 AM

17. That is Cool and Most Appreciated.. thanks proud2BlibKansan! nm

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:56 AM

19. This really puts it all into perspective.

It's pretty fascinating, too. A big thank you for posting.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:14 AM

22. The red is too bright -- it creates an optical illusion that looks bigger. Try this version instead:

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Response to Skinner (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:42 AM

26. Romney wins Presidency... of the Confederacy

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Response to JHB (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:51 PM

37. Didn't realize Oklahoma, Kansas, Montana, etc.

were part of the confederacy.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:19 PM

45. They're not (weren't). And Florida and Virginia were.

I didn't say everything red was the Confederacy. It's just something the wingnuts can daub their tears with.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:44 AM

27. Very nice! Saved it. n/t

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Response to Skinner (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:42 PM

57. good observation

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:09 PM

29. electoral college number means nothing.

 

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Response to underoath (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:21 AM

68. Why? Because your man Mittens lost? Before election day

you did a lot of "concern" posting, and now you are firmly sour-grapes / right-wing.

IT'S A MYSTERY.

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Response to underoath (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:13 AM

70. Flaunting your bitterness or ignorance this time? No matter, since President Barack Hussein Obama

won the popular vote as well. Enjoy!

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:18 PM

30. Now west coast, east coast and FLA push inward !Pop that red pimple!

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:56 PM

32. Ahh, yes the Electoral College. Love it when it's good, hate it when it's bad.

Obama only won by less than 3% of the popular vote. In contrast to his Electoral Vote victory of more than 20%.

The EC needs to go. Remember the 2000 election? Yea, shit needs to go.

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Response to Ian_rd (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:21 AM

78. Eh, winning's winning. As long as the EC is the law

i'll be more than happy to gloat about our overwhelming victory's in '08 and '12.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:20 PM

33. These vary in quality and realism. I prefer the geographic realism to graph paper





I'd like a high quality version of the latter.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:48 PM

36. Where's New Mexico?

NM was blue this year, solidly blue. Is it not on the map because we have a small population?

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Response to rivegauche (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:19 PM

42. right below CO

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Response to Divine Discontent (Reply #42)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:44 PM

47. Ooops, thanks. I missed it.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:53 PM

39. Huh!

why does the media take us for such fools. Your stupid dumb down shows are not working!!! All the reality shows, and competition shows and such. It's not working dummies!!!!

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:53 PM

40. Now I'm really confused. Which part is the "Real America"?

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:50 PM

44. K & R

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:38 PM

46. Thanks!

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:55 PM

48. Organization Of Cartographers For Social Equality

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:11 PM

50. as seen on wikipedia

Cartogram representation of the Electoral College vote for the 2012 election, with each square representing one electoral vote.

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Response to pokerfan (Reply #50)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:07 AM

69. This is excellent. Saving and sharing. Thanks.

Lots of great maps on this thread, but I think this is my fave.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:34 PM

53. Hunting site

A friend and I have been kicked off this site under many different names, many times they suck. But are fun to screw with if your bored......
http://www.tndeer.com/tndeertalk/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=32&page=1

First time poster.....

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Response to trueblue2u (Reply #53)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:57 PM

54. Welcome to DU.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:00 PM

55. That's why they ought to call it, The Great Red Empty.

Last edited Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:15 AM - Edit history (1)

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:35 PM

56. K&R

And bookmarking to print out at work...

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:23 PM

58. Nice!

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:28 PM

59. The best electoral map

The best electoral map was on Politico and allowed people to zoom in to specific counties to see the vote totals. There you could see that - SURPRISE - President Obama was re-elected also because white, blue collar voters supported him and not just "urbans"!

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:44 PM

60. Nice! Looks like Legos

Lego's might be more fun than spray painting the ice a Rockefeller Center next time.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:57 PM

61. Still overrepresents the republicans. Red state electoral votes represent fewer people than blue.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:23 PM

63. K&R That is cool. n/t

 

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:45 PM

64. Red States Represent the Hearland ..or rather, der Fatherland

R

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:11 AM

74. Now thats an electoral map that makes sense

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:09 PM

75. Wall Street Journal

...showed the state map all red... What BS.

BRAVO for posting this. Thanks.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:04 AM

76. Even That Map Tilts Toward Republicans

Because of the Senate imbalance to the map. Every State gets 2 squares for the Senate, whether California or Montana. If this was done on the basis of the House only the red area would be even smaller with the blue area increasing by a like amount. The State split was Obama 26, Romney 24 so House only in the EC was Obama 280, Romney 158.

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