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Tue Jan 17, 2012, 01:53 PM

"Romney & Mormons are No More a Christian Than a Muslim is"

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That's a quote from one Evangelical Leader. If you think dyed in the wool evangelical preachers who had decades of Mormon missionaries scouting around their 'patches' are going to send their flocks out to vote for (and validate) Romney, I truly believe you are wrong. For Evangelical pastors, the Mormon Church is very 'big fucking deal'

I am not making a judgement about the Morman faith, what I am saying is you probably underestimate the deep enmity more than a few Evangelical pastors have towards Morman 'Anything'. Harry Reid is a Mormon but I doubt he gets much of the Evangelical vote.

ST PETERSBURG, FL -- Bill Keller, the world's leading Internet Evangelist and the founder of LivePrayer.com, with over 2.4 million subscribers worldwide reading the daily devotional he has written every morning for 12 years on the issues of the day from a Biblical worldview, says it is necessary today with the vast majority of the last two generations having never been to church, and with most of those who do being Biblically illiterate, to educate people on what Mitt Romney and Mormons really believe about African-Americans, God, Jesus, the Bible, and Biblical Christians. ...

Keller stated, "Romney and members of his 'church' believe and teach that African-Americans are cursed and it has only been in the last few decades that they allowed African-Americans to join their 'church.' Just like polygamy, they have had to set aside their true beliefs on race to become mainstream, but that doesn't mean they no longer believe what their 'church' teaches on these issues."

Keller continues, "Romney and Mormons lie when they claim to be a Christian, since the teachings of Mormonism are inconsistent with Biblical Christianity. When Romney talks about God, it is NOT the God of the Bible, since the Mormon god was once a man who died and ascended to god status. The Jesus Romney speaks of is NOT the Jesus of the Bible, since the Mormon jesus was created in a sexual union between their man/god and Mary meaning he is not a deity, that he visited the United States during his brief life, and is the brother of Lucifer."

Keller went on, "Romney and Mormons will quote from the Bible to further their deception of being a Christian, but don't believe the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God as Christians. Instead, they view the Bible as a flawed and incomplete book, using the writings of Mormon founder Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, the Doctrines and Covenants, as their theological authority. Romney and Mormons also view Biblical Christians as inferior to those in their 'church.' Romney also believes in Smith's 'White Horse Prophecy' that states the nation will be in chaos, a Mormon will become President, and under the guise of saving the union set aside the US Constitution and enact a Mormon theocracy. These fantastical beliefs are why Romney and Mormons are no more a Christian than a Muslim is!"
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/what-romney-really-believes-about-race-god-jesus-bible-and-christians

Viewing Evangelical Christians from afar, from purely a political lens, is, I believe, a real mistake. If anything like these remarks start being preached in the local churches by pastors who deem it necessary to give a refresher course on the Mormon church, I believe the convention wisdom of Republicans 'holding their noses' is wrong.

Why would a Southern preacher stress "Romney and members of his 'church' believe and teach that African-Americans are cursed". It's because he's playing for keeps, and from what I know about the LDS doctrine of continuing revelation, it's also wrong. But forget Obama, Bill Keller will not accept a Mormon in the White House. Period.

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Reply "Romney & Mormons are No More a Christian Than a Muslim is" (Original post)
denem Jan 2012 OP
msongs Jan 2012 #1
sinkingfeeling Jan 2012 #2
Journeyman Jan 2012 #24
hlthe2b Jan 2012 #3
DippyDem Jan 2012 #4
quinnox Jan 2012 #5
Monty22001 Jan 2012 #6
KansDem Jan 2012 #7
justiceischeap Jan 2012 #9
MisterP Jan 2012 #21
justiceischeap Jan 2012 #27
denem Jan 2012 #10
snagglepuss Jan 2012 #22
Hugabear Jan 2012 #11
LeftinOH Jan 2012 #12
KansDem Jan 2012 #15
denem Jan 2012 #17
ingac70 Jan 2012 #26
ieoeja Jan 2012 #8
Yooperman Jan 2012 #13
TlalocW Jan 2012 #14
rurallib Jan 2012 #16
HockeyMom Jan 2012 #18
AngryAmish Jan 2012 #19
jwirr Jan 2012 #20
Rex Jan 2012 #23
RockaFowler Jan 2012 #25
denem Jan 2012 #28

Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 01:55 PM

1. last night some tablets fell out of the sky to my backyard. Cant read em, but its a new religion for

sure

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 01:57 PM

2. Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black? I don't think Keller's religion has

much to do with the Biblical Jesus.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:55 PM

24. It's irrelevant. All that matters is one group of fanatics won't support . . .

anyone from another group of fanatics.

Think of it as Rocky Horror zealots hatin' on Priscilla of the Desert devotees. Only, there's nothing fun about them and rather than dressed in drag they are all just drags on our development.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 01:59 PM

3. I say... Pass the snakes....




No bigotry like "religious" bigotry, that's for sure

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:02 PM

4. Also this..baptism of the dead

Mormons baptize the dead to save them from hell. Also they seal (marry) dead women to get access to heaven. Mormons still believe polygamy is the only way to heaven. Will someone ask Romney how many he has sealed to himself?

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:03 PM

5. the westoboro baptist church, a christian church, wins in a walk

 

in the batshit crazy sweepstakes against all comers, including the mormons. These lunatic folks make the mormons look conventional.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:06 PM

6. 7th Day adventists are close

 

And the branch davidians were just as bad/worse as westboro. The Westboro is really just about 30 cultists so you can't really consider them any kind of 'power'.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:15 PM

7. I've never understood why Mormons are not considered "Christian" by Christians...

Anyone want to give me the "Readers' Digest" explanation?

Thanks for your help!

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Response to KansDem (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:19 PM

9. Here ya go

The reason Mormonism is not Christian is because it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. Of the essential doctrines (that there is only one God in all existence, Jesus is divine, God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone (Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 4:1-5), and Jesus rose from the dead physically (1 John 2:19; Luke 24:39), the gospel being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, 1 Cor. 15:1-4), Mormonism denies three of them: how many gods there are, the God of Christianity, and His work of salvation.

http://carm.org/is-mormonism-christian

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:41 PM

21. that argument hinges on what's considered an essential doctrine of Christianity

that would still make them "more Christian" than, say, the Arians

it's like the Protestant/British/Enlightenment-derived criticsm of Catholicism as not following the Five Solas, as having gold leaf in their churches--in other words, they criticize Catholicism for not being Protestant

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Response to MisterP (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 08:15 PM

27. It's a matter of superiority in my opinion

Certain Christians feel their beliefs are superior above all others and anything that doesn't align with those beliefs is something other than "true" Christianity. That's why I have a problem with Christianity, itself. If there is truly one true god then why did he even allow other religions? I would think that if this one true god was really against any other forms of belief he never would have allowed them. Just like I believe that if this one true god didn't want people to be gay, they wouldn't. As a child I was beat over the head with southern baptist beliefs and that he could do NO wrong. So, in my mind, I could never correlate how anything that "was" could be wrong if he could do no wrong (if that didn't make sense, then I'll put it this way, god put everything on this earth as it should be).

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Response to KansDem (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:23 PM

10. Read the article in full I suggest.

The criticism made is usually that Mormons are pantheistic. God (the father) once took human form - he was on earth before Jesus. Jesus is the 'son' of God. When the saved are exhausted, Mormons believe they too will be the sons and daughters of god, on a par with Jesus.

That's as I understand it, is a very complex issue.

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Response to denem (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:48 PM

22. I had no idea they think God impregnated Mary and that Jesus is human not god.

How can repukes even possibily think that Romney can secure the Catholic vote when he subscribes to those ideas. ANd not just the Catholic vote, there are a lot of mainstream Christians who would be appalled with such a deviant form of Christianity. If he hasn't got much flack, I think its because many moderate repukes simply are unaware of Mormon beliefs.

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Response to KansDem (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:23 PM

11. Christians consider the Bible to be "case closed"

In fact, they will point to certain scriptures that explicitly forbid the use of any other scriptures (ie Koran or Book of Mormon).

This is also the rationale many Christians use to reject various "non-canonical" scriptures. Apparently a group of Christians gathered together the books they wanted to include with the New Testament, and then labeled anything they didn't want to be non-canon and heretical.

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Response to KansDem (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:27 PM

12. Mormonism is the Scientology of the 19th century-

-invented by a con artist (Joseph Smith), who arrived on the scene about 2,000 years too late to have his hand on the writing/translating/editing of the Bible as we know it. So, he wrote his own book.

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Response to LeftinOH (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:40 PM

15. They seem to be a violent bunch...

List of Mormon wars and massacresThis list of Mormon wars and massacres includes all wars and massacres that have involved significant numbers of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Wars
1838 Mormon War (aka Missouri Mormon War)
Mormon War in Illinois (1844-1845)
Utah War (1857-1858)
Morrisite War (1862)
Black Hawk War (Utah) (18651872)

Massacres
Haun's Mill massacre (1838)
Battle Creek (1849)
Mountain Meadows massacre (1857)
Bear River Massacre (1863)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_violence#List_of_Mormon_wars_and_massacres
(Before it goes dark!)

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Response to KansDem (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:03 PM

17. Not really, most of the violence was directed against them.

That's why they settled in Utah, to have somewhere safe.

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Response to denem (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 05:03 PM

26. The Mountain Meadows massacre definitely wasn't them being victimized. n/t

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:18 PM

8. On the other hand ... Muslims are no less Christian than Christians are Jewish.


There is a point at which you can divide the three into distinct groups, of course.

However, it is also true that Christianity is a Jewish sect that differs from more traditional sects on various points. And Muslims are a Christian sect that differs from Christianity on the duality nature of Jesus' soul, the mainstream (though not all) Christian rejection of Deuteronomy, non-biblical additions to Christianity, and the belief that Arabs surplanted Jews as the Chosen People due to their rejection of Christ (on top of past errors).


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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:34 PM

13. Kinda reminds me of the repug debates...

One bashing another.... when neither have a grip on reality.

It is one belief system vs another. I believe the weatherman... but you know... he is just speculating and is wrong a large percentage of the time.

If people would stop believing and start seriously trying to understand truths we would have a lot less conflicts in this world.

Peace from someone that just isn't smart enough to understand what God is or may be and if anyone tells you they know.... run from him as fast as you can.

YM

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:37 PM

14. I'm perfectly fine with the guy's attitude and have been saying the same thing

Mitt faces a lot of inertia in getting the evangelical block out to vote for him after years of being told by their pastors that Mormonism is a non-Christian cult. Keep preachin' the word, brother! It will just help democrats out when Mitt gets the nomination. Even though I think a lot of pastors will do a 180 and support Romney, the message has been drilled into the heads of their flocks.

TlalocW

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:40 PM

16. "vast majority of the last two generations having never been to church"

is that true? It gives me hope if so.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:32 PM

18. Well, after 12 years of catholic school

I'd vote for Mickey Mouse before Rick Santorum, or for that matter, Romney. I don't WANT a President pounding his heart proclaiming to be the best CHRISTIAN.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:34 PM

19. As a matter of pure theology, they have a point

Both are offshoots of christianity.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:36 PM

20. And while this article talks about evangelicals I can tell you that this idea is not held just in

the rw of the church.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:49 PM

23. Good, let the hatemongers eat eachother.

nt

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 04:14 PM

25. Then what is a Jehovah's Witness??

My HUsband used to be one, but he can't even tell me what it's about

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Response to RockaFowler (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 08:38 PM

28. I'm sorry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses

Here's two commandments: -

1. No blood transfusions
2. Don't vote

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