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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:03 PM

The Anti-Fox Gains Ground.

(Stupid headline, good story.)

When President Obama won Virginia and most of the other battleground states on Tuesday night, ensuring himself a second term as president, some at MSNBC felt as if they had won as well.

During Mr. Obama’s first term, MSNBC underwent a metamorphosis from a CNN also-ran to the anti-Fox, and handily beat CNN in the ratings along the way. Now that it is known, at least to those who cannot get enough politics, as the nation’s liberal television network, the challenge in the next four years will be to capitalize on that identity.

MSNBC, a unit of NBCUniversal, has a long way to go to overtake the Fox News Channel, a unit of News Corporation: on most nights this year, Fox had two million more viewers than MSNBC.

But the two channels, which skew toward an audience that is 55 or older, are on average separated by fewer than 300,000 viewers in the 25- to 54-year-old demographic that advertisers desire. On three nights in a row after the election last week, MSNBC — whose hosts reveled in Mr. Obama’s victory — had more viewers than Fox in that demographic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/12/business/media/msnbc-its-ratings-rising-gains-ground-on-fox-news.html

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elleng Nov 2012 OP
catbyte Nov 2012 #1
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #2
appleannie1 Nov 2012 #4
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #7
marmar Nov 2012 #9
appleannie1 Nov 2012 #3
Walk away Nov 2012 #6
Walk away Nov 2012 #5
narnian60 Nov 2012 #8
Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2012 #10
OhZone Nov 2012 #11

Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:10 PM

1. I'm sorry, but "Mr." Obama?!?

WTF? That's PRESIDENT Obama, dickweeds. Come on, NYT, you can do better than that. Perhaps I am being over sensitive, but this President has had to endure more disrespect than any President in my lifetime and I've been around since Eisenhower.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:14 PM

2. That is the NYT style sheet

they are the only ones still using Mister left in the country.

It is fine to use Mr. Obama after they used President.

They have been using that style sheet going back at least 100 years.

Other places where it is still used, the UK.

The AP does not. I had to unlearn that, since the paper I freelance for uses the AP style guide, like most papers in the country.

Go on, read other stories from the Bush years. It was Mr. Bush in the NYT. And they refer to anybody that way, not just the POTUS.

If anything it is not lack of respect, but somewhat on the archaic side.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:18 PM

4. I have been around since Truman and you are right. I have never seen a president treated so rudely.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:24 PM

7. Go back to the Truman years.

The old lady has used Mister like as long as I remember.

Mr. Trumman, Mr. Kennedy, Mr Obama. They used President in the first paragraph. That is practice, style sheet, at the NYT. You are used to the ap style sheet, which studiously they avoid.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:04 PM

9. NY Times style.....They use courtesy titles after the first reference.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:16 PM

3. We like MSNBC

I sure hope MSNBC is not thinking of saying goodbye to Ed. We watch him every night.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:20 PM

6. I thought he wanted to spend time with his wife. She is ill. nt

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:19 PM

5. They really need to get rid of Morning Joe. Keep the show...

dump Joe and Mika. They drive away half the Liberals who would love to have a morning show.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:00 PM

8. Totally agree on that.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:10 PM

10. I'll volunteer to do the show!

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:06 PM

11. Current. nt

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