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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:53 PM

 

Seriously....what the FUCK was Patreus thinking?

All opinions of the General aside, good and bad, what the hell was he thinking? That he wasn't going to get caught? That letting her read his personal email was a good idea?

Seriously - he's not a stupid man.

What was he thinking?

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Reply Seriously....what the FUCK was Patreus thinking? (Original post)
Taverner Nov 2012 OP
Incitatus Nov 2012 #1
riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #2
The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2012 #3
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #20
Liberal Veteran Nov 2012 #26
teddy51 Nov 2012 #4
Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2012 #5
Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #6
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #43
Atman Nov 2012 #7
Whisp Nov 2012 #8
etherealtruth Nov 2012 #14
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #47
Whisp Nov 2012 #50
jeff47 Nov 2012 #9
HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #13
MrScorpio Nov 2012 #10
Sheldon Cooper Nov 2012 #18
geek tragedy Nov 2012 #11
Taverner Nov 2012 #30
janx Nov 2012 #35
jody Nov 2012 #12
HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #16
jody Nov 2012 #33
Liberal Veteran Nov 2012 #38
jody Nov 2012 #49
Liberal Veteran Nov 2012 #56
jody Nov 2012 #61
HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #58
Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #15
LisaL Nov 2012 #45
Liberal Veteran Nov 2012 #17
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #19
sandyshoes17 Nov 2012 #21
beam me up scottie Nov 2012 #22
Warpy Nov 2012 #23
BeHereNow Nov 2012 #24
malaise Nov 2012 #42
liberalmuse Nov 2012 #25
HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #54
malaise Nov 2012 #27
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #44
malaise Nov 2012 #53
BeHereNow Nov 2012 #66
randome Nov 2012 #28
Taverner Nov 2012 #31
randome Nov 2012 #32
HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #48
BeHereNow Nov 2012 #34
randome Nov 2012 #46
MichiganVote Nov 2012 #29
LeftInTX Nov 2012 #36
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #37
BeHereNow Nov 2012 #57
KG Nov 2012 #39
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #40
LisaL Nov 2012 #41
WCGreen Nov 2012 #51
flamingdem Nov 2012 #55
janx Nov 2012 #59
madrchsod Nov 2012 #64
flamingdem Nov 2012 #52
Taverner Nov 2012 #62
aletier_v Nov 2012 #60
madrchsod Nov 2012 #63
BeHereNow Nov 2012 #67
R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #65
RogerM Nov 2012 #68
Cleita Nov 2012 #69

Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:55 PM

1. Power and ego can cloud logic. nt

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:55 PM

2. Petraeus' other head was doing the thinking and all it could think about was "FUCK!" nt

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:56 PM

3. He was thinking with the wrong head.

Happens all the time (*cough*Bill Clinton*cough*). Lots of very smart men get their brains caught in their zippers, and I don't know why, either.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:06 PM

20. You would be surprised at the power of the little brain

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:12 PM

26. The only people who should be surprised are people who don't understand people.

If everyone who ever had an affair turned green for a day, maybe we would stop obsessing over it.

I'm not saying we shouldn't aspire to better, but in the end, it is more often just tawdry gossip not worthy of our attention.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:56 PM

4. Apparently he wasn't other than wanting to get laid.

 

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:57 PM

5. You need to ask the little general that question. :-P

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:58 PM

6. She blinded him with dalliance

 

As they're saying, it just gets weirder as more is known.

I haven't heard anyone suggest early stage dementia but it would be an explaination.

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Response to Anthony McCarthy (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:26 PM

43. Like the title! ;-)

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:58 PM

7. Obviously he was not a very good CIA head if he couldn't even hide an affair.

Just sayin'. And he was in charge of national security.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:59 PM

8. was it Edwards that said, there comes a point where you feel you are invincible...

 

or some such nonsense.

egos that size can be convincing to the self.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:01 PM

14. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have no doubt that he did feel he was smarter than everyone else ... An exaggerated sense of self is the only explanation

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Response to Whisp (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:27 PM

47. It also boosts the ego when the woman is *really* skilled between the sheets

don't ask me how I know

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #47)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:30 PM

50. or when the woman tells the man he is *really* skilled

 

when he's pretty damned average, actually.

hee

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:59 PM

9. The old joke - Men only have enough blood to run one head. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:01 PM

13. +100

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:00 PM

10. He was thinking with his little Patreus

D-Oh!

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:04 PM

18. Yep. 'Little Dave' was doing the thinking for both of them.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:00 PM

11. Ask Spitzer, Vitter, Bill Clinton, Strauss-Kahn, Edwards, Gingrich, etc. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:15 PM

30. I get the whole "I'm INVINCIBLE" thing...happens every time I drink tequila

 

But it seems like that delusion of invincibility should be a young man's game...

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Response to Taverner (Reply #30)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:20 PM

35. Agreed, Taverner--

and it shouldn't be the game of a man (or woman) at any age, who happens to be the director of the CIA.

I don't understand it either. Does the physical take over the mental? Or does a guy like that reach a point at which he says, "Oh damn it all anyway. I'm under so much stress that I should be able to do what I want and therefore I'm going to start fucking this young woman"...?

??

I understand your question. I really do.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:00 PM

12. Petraeus is still subject to the UCMJ even though he retired 31 Aug 2011.

 

Source http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#SUBCHAPTER%20IV.%20COURT-MARTIAL%20JURISDICTION
802. ART. 2. PERSONS SUBJECT TO THIS CHAPTER
(a) The following persons are subject to this chapter:
* * * * * * * * * * * *
(4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay.

President Obama has authority to prosecute Petraeus if the incident occurred before 31 August 2011 when Petraeus retired.
822. ART. 22. WHO MAY CONVENE GENERAL COURTS-MARTIAL
(a) General courts-martial may be convened byŚ
(1) the President of the United States;

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Response to jody (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:02 PM

16. Possible Petreaus's resignation was a de facto plea deal.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:18 PM

33. Makes sense but I hope a transparent presidency will share the facts with his supporters. nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:23 PM

38. I'm not sure what facts we need.

Stupid man has affair.

Stupid woman goes all Fatal Attractions (sorta).

Stupid man gets found out.

Stupid man gives resignation.

Are we expecting something other than what we might find in any gossip rag?

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:28 PM

49. Yes, for some including me if the incident occurred before he retired he should be court-martialed.

 

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Response to jody (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:36 PM

56. Why? Is a court-martial going to do something to substantially improve our country?

If it was rape or sexual harassment, I might agree.

But in the final analysis, I see no good outcomes by dragging a court-martial into the spectacle.

From where I stand, it sounds very much like wanting to brand someone with a Scarlet Letter.

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #56)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:51 PM

61. Understand but active duty personnel still face courts-martial for the same act. President Obama has

 

authority to treat active duty personnel the same way.

That's Obama's decision alone as Commander in Chief.

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Response to jody (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:39 PM

58. His military career is over, his political career is over...

his marriage may be over, and his reputation is badly tarnished. I don't think a court martial would accomplish any more, other than pouring salt in the wounds. Besides, the resignation may have been a de facto plea deal to avoid a court martial.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:02 PM

15. And John Edwards. And Anthony Weiner. And Bill Clinton. And Elliot Spitzer. And David Vitter.

Not unusual for these people to think with their penis instead of their brain.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:27 PM

45. Yes, the list goes on and on and on.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:04 PM

17. Clinton, Gingrich, Hart, Edwards, Ensign, Vitter, Pickering, Condit, Weiner, Livingston, Hyde.....

One could ask the same thing.

And when it comes down to it, maybe it is time to stop giving a shit about who is doing who and accept the fact that we elect human beings and whole bunches of them do stupid shit regardless of how smart they are...just like the rest of us humans.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:05 PM

19. he wasn't. It was the 'little general' calling the shots at that point.

 

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:07 PM

21. He was thinking

about a big cushy position in the Romney administration. The fix was in

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:08 PM

22. Asked the same thing in an earlier thread.

How can such intelligent people do something so stupid?

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:08 PM

23. The problem was what he was thinking WITH

He considered himself important and indispensable to the workings of the universe. He considered these factors would make him above the law. Then he stopped thinking with the top head.

This is a common problem with Great Men, especially Great straight Men. They're surrounded by fawning women.

I wish the press would go back to ignoring this stuff for ordinary politicians. I really, really don't want to know where any of them is dipping his wick. Unfortunately, the CIA is a bit different and the discovery of any affair causes a security clearance to be revoked immediately. Petraeus had no choice but to resign.

The damned fool.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:09 PM

24. Admittedly sexist joke that, as a woman, I have found to be TRUE.

In advance- apologies to all men that do not fit this "mold."

The "joke" as it was told to me years ago:

In the beginning, God told Adam this:

"Adam, I created a great gift for you, she will be called "Eve."
She will give you great pleasure and allow you to go forth and reproduce.
Also, I have given you the gift of TWO heads!
One between your shoulders, and one between your loins."

Adam said,

"GOD! How can I thank you?"

And God said,

"Wait a minute Adam, I'm not through speaking-
There is a slight hitch in the deal..."

Adam asked,
"What is that? Dear Father and creator?"

And God replied,

"You will never be able to use both heads at the same time..."

Sorry if I offended anyone, but as a woman- I can say I have found
this to be true of 99% of the men I have known.

BHN

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Response to BeHereNow (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:26 PM

42. LOL

Same as our proverb

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:12 PM

25. He went with his male instinct.

Generally, men do not think in these situations. A young, pretty woman fawning over an old guy - well, you can pretty much bet where that's going to go. I think he was set up. Not that I ever liked the guy because he's definitely property of the right wing, but even the most intelligent men will fall prey to a bit of flattery followed by the promise of sexy times.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #25)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:31 PM

54. I don't think he was set up.

He willingly dove right in.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:12 PM

27. Thinking!!!! There's a proverb used here a lot

I don't believe it was one of Confucius', but that's what they say - 'man with hard dick have soft head'

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Response to malaise (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:27 PM

44. Yes. When a man allow blood to rush from his head to the middle appendage, he is done.

The key is to not let things get to that point.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #44)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:31 PM

53. Another DUer pointed out that no one starts this at 60

He got away with it for years - and became careless.

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Response to malaise (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:52 PM

66. +1000; indeed!

Your proverb DOES match up with my "joke" post.

BHN

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:13 PM

28. Um, yeah, he was stupid. But so was Broadwell. It takes two to tango.

Both their careers are likely over.

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Response to randome (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:17 PM

31. Broadwell will still have a carreer

 

The tell all book will be on the shelves by Christmas

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Response to Taverner (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:18 PM

32. Her current book. I doubt anyone will trust her after this, though.

Of course I could be wrong.

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Response to Taverner (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:28 PM

48. I doubt it.

She has legal problems to worry about right now. Even when they are resolved there may be heavy redactions,etc in a book... which will ne old news by the time her legal problems are settled. And she's a hack writer. Perhaps Fox gives her a job... but her military career is over, as is her ambition of becoming National Security Advisor, or any job in intelligence.

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Response to randome (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:20 PM

34. Agree with you, but see my post above on this thread...

Years ago, I went to seek the advice of an older woman about a "situation"
I was in; I will not go into details.

She told me this:

"It is always the woman's responsibility to "put the brakes on" because men
are not usually equipped with those brakes."

Then she told told me the joke I posted above.

As a woman, I have found her words to be the best moral compass
I've ever been provided with.

Have I ever ignored them?
Yes.
Have I ever lived them to the betterment of all parties involved?
HELL yes.

BHN

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Response to BeHereNow (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:27 PM

46. Oh, I think the joke is right on.

And I'm not the kind of man who thinks we are maligned by women or somehow being emasculated by them.

Equality is still not achieved, financially and in relationships.

But I think it's strange that the focus is on Petraeus and not so much Broadwell. I wonder what kind of anatomy she was thinking with.

Or why the assumption is made that her interest was in something else.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:15 PM

29. Well he's homely, she's beautiful, he's powerful, she's married-and so that coon

dog left the underside of the front porch and didn't stop to sniff the garbage can. And yes, it really is that simple folks.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:21 PM

36. Apparently Eisenhower had a fling

And some Korean War general had numerous flings

(Heard it on CNN today)



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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:23 PM

37. At the point that he got with that woman, his head wasn't the thing that was in control

of the thinking. Any person that works closely with the opposite sex and end up admiring those people for ability, calmness and other good features, reach a point with those people where the relationship can drift into sexual territory if the people involved don't control their emotions.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #37)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:38 PM

57. Well not the head between his shoulders, that is for sure...

See my ""admittedly sexist" thread upthread.
I'm a woman- seen it all come true too many times.
In other words, been there, done that.

BHN

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:24 PM

39. perhaps he's not smart as we're led to believe.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:25 PM

40. Being "all in" with Rove is a mighty big shield. Or was.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:26 PM

41. He is not the first, and I am sure not the last politician to be caught in a sex scandal.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:30 PM

51. Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight....

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #51)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:31 PM

55. You had to give me that earworm

Arrg

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #51)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:40 PM

59. Aiyeeee !!! The mental picture!!!!

!!!

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #51)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:01 PM

64. where`s the youtube video?

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:31 PM

52. In a way it's reassuring when those animal drives

won out over the world domination, kill, kill, kill drives, to an extent.

Being the devil's advocate here.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #52)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:58 PM

62. In the end, sex always wins, no pun intended

 

urp - I just had a disturbing visual

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:49 PM

60. I bet the sex was awesome. The possibilities...

his uniform
her uniform

she seems like a kinky power freak, it must have been fantastic riding the general around like a pony.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:00 PM

63. it`s called thinking with his dick....

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Response to madrchsod (Reply #63)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:54 PM

67. Yup. n/t K&R

bhn

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:04 PM

65. You could ask that of Bill Clinton or any person


that is married and has an affair.

The answer is: were they thinking?

I'm not knocking Clinton, but he didn't do his reputation any good. One could even argue that the world got Dubya because of it.

Some guys just can't keep it in their pants. It's ego.


Case in point. Years ago a co-worker of mine happened to catch a glimpse of our well-married boss at a local watering hole making out with a woman, and they weren't even trying to be discreet. Where it went form there my co-worker wouldn't say, and she felt sick from having a visual.

So we have a boss, who was at the top of his game, that was possibly cheating on his spouse while almost wishing to be caught. Tempting fate.

So what was he thinking? Probably his dick was thinking for him and not caring about consequences.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:57 PM

68. Hey was thinking FUCK

rather NOT thinking just FUCK I am ALL IN

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:00 PM

69. As a once bartender, I saw more than my share of tawdry scandals, betrayals and

other unsavory sexual liaisons. Having a conversation with a male customer one day, about a recent scandal that was the current gossip circulating among the clientele that knew each other, and the individuals involved, I posed the same question. His answer was that a standing prick has little conscience and no brains whatsoever.

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