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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPetreaus Allowed Right Wing Think Tanks to Set Up Shop at his Afghan Headquarters
This, for instance, is a doozy where I come from: In Mondays Washington Post, Greg Jaffe reports that in Afghanistan,
And here I thought civilians in Washington were supposed to listen to the generals. Turns out, it sometimes worked the other way around. Tax dollars, I assume, were used to provide that office space and access to military aircraft to the same people who so brilliantly helped enmire us in two wars after 9/11; what could go wrong?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2012/11/12/paula-broadwell-downfall-of-a-great-man-blah-blah-blah/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/12/1160890/-Petreaus-Allowed-Right-Wing-Think-Tanks-to-Set-Up-Shop-at-his-Afghan-Headquarters
makes you wonder...........?
malaise
(268,930 posts)I'm just waiting for proof.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Anthony McCarthy
(507 posts)I understand he wasn't too popular with the professional CIA types.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)It appears that he may have been outed by his underlings. They like it better when their leader comes from within the agency and this guy was planted there with his own entourage, not a friendly move in the eyes of the agency folks.
Now if that's the case, it would seem that his role was to screw up Obama to see that he was a one trick pony, looks like the Rs are the one trick pony here though. Their strategy is pretty tell-tale after what we've seen over the past three terms, and I suspect they started their hostile takeover back with Ms Lewinsky.
I think he was placed there as a compromise given he was a major cheerleader for the wars and was in the driver's seat once he had those who came before him ousted. Lest we forget that shadow government thing that I'm sure didn't fade away with the slinking off of the W regime. They embedded enough moles upon their departure that it will be a long time before they are weeded out. These two appear to be part of the cabal. And remember, all the upper echelon operations in Iraq were housed in Sadam's castle while the countryfolk lived in bombed out squalor and still do.
It just stinks and I think that the president needs to start finding ways to see that some heads roll... and join the Council in The Hague so it will be a certainty.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)It was unwise and unnecessary of Obama to place Republicans in his cabinet and in charge of something as important as the CIA. We elected a Democratic administration. There will still be zillions of Republican bureaucrats not to mention the ones in Congress, especially those controlling the House. We don't need to help them unnecessarily.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)IMHO, BHO is a brilliant man. Rightwingers HATE brilliant men. And black men.
Toooooooo baaaaaaad.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)but, head of CIA? i think that's a dangerous move.
right wing THINK tanks? isn't that an oxymoron?
The President got rolled on a bunch of occasions because he was being told these were the best people to advise him about what was going on.
Gates, Patreaus and Geitner either actively worked against the President, or the President suddenly decided that Bush Era policies were the best things going.
Just remember the stellar example of McCrystal if you doubt that the Millitary and Bush Era people don't think they know "better" than the CiC.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)where he got rolled. I can't argue with your points and I would like to add that he honestly tried to play the peacemaker with a pack of Butae, daggers drawn. I think he's learned his lesson and now sees that he has an empowerment that he's planning to use wisely without instilling panic amongst the public at large. Post inaugural days should be interesting. And suspect that letting us run off the "cliff" next month is his best bet at restructuring our economic game plan and will take it. that's sure to piss off a bunch of wannabe temper-tantrum secessionists but it may be the best thing to happen since the 90s.
I think there's a lot of lip service going on to wait out the clock until next year. There's a lot of talk about Sen. J. Kerry taking the Sec. of D Cabinet post, that might be good. We'll see.
LiberalArkie
(15,713 posts)elfin
(6,262 posts)On many levels - especially in that he had the ambition and the network and the media to possibly win a Pres. Election.
A talented, power hungry narcissist, manufacturing and then believing his own press. Thankfully, he met his equally ambitious and power hungry female counterpart and it came tumbling down.
Not sure who to thank for this escape. Probably someone stupid who had no idea of the national future consequences of making this public.
libodem
(19,288 posts)He did.
crunch60
(1,412 posts)was about sabotaging the Dems and President Obama.
http://t.co/kWGXLBUD they look friendly together. hummm
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)Kinda has that "mission accomplished" air to it don'tchathink?
Man, Rove has some interesting return tweets or whatever you call them in response now that the word is out. Bet he has a way of shutting that whole thing down.
HamRove indeed.
cprise
(8,445 posts)...and there's no political strategy like a Benghazi October surprise.
lolly
(3,248 posts)Or maybe those RW guests on his compound were the source of the alleged orders to "stand down" that Fox kept talking about?
cprise
(8,445 posts)They posed for a picture together. It enough to seem suspicious.
juajen
(8,515 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)That would be one explanation for Petraus copping to an adultery charge so quickly and walking away. Perhaps he's hoping to end an investigation that might move into something far more serious.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)vilify
(102 posts)And the right doesn't appreciate it so screw them.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)get a little out of his Mr Niceguy comfort zone and tear a few new assholes.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)progressoid
(49,978 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)demhottie
(292 posts)yankeepants
(1,979 posts)Oxymoron. Bwahahahaha!
loudsue
(14,087 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)The GOP strategists do plenty of very shrewd thinking.
What they can't do is give a fuck about the rest of us.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Don't overlook the right-wing think tanks, they've been basically running this country for a long long time now. And they're extremely intelligent, not to be underestimated, ever.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)elbloggoZY27
(283 posts)Maybe this should be the story of went on with General Petraeus and his reason to leave the CIA. Something smells really bad here.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)This stinks on too many levels. I smell neo-cons, Cheney and all the usual names. How many Halliburton-types are still over there on our dollar?
We need to get our troops home.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)an interesting comment under the WaPo article:
12:59 PM MST
A quote from Petraeus's 1987 Princeton PhD dissertation, via Mr. Hastings at Buzzfeed.com : "More so than any other leading military figure, Petraeuss entire philosophy has been based on hiding the truth, on deception, on building a false image. 'Perception' is key, Petraeus wrote: 'What policymakers believe to have taken place in any particular case is what matters more than what actually occurred.' Yes, its not what actually happens that matters its what you can convince the public it thinks happened."
The possibility that this "affair" issue is a false report is quite considerable..... An unpaid military PR rep & housewife, requiring a secretive months-long FBI investigation, causing the FBI to avoid report protocols for months, all based on simple affair emails = doesn't make sense. . Either way, if the investigation was re: (a) alleged affair &/or (b) classified leaks, FBI protocol dictates, the investigated "facts" should have been reported months prior. Per Mr. Hayden (former CIA director), "The timing of this is mysterious".
IF a simple affair is truly the only issue, then, Petraeus - whom reportedly survived decades of physical/political challenges & is known for his mighty political prowess - would easily whether through this affair /"storm", "spin" it with ease, and remain CIA director. The subjective and objective education of many has taught us the immense lengths many upper military/gov't officers have gone to CYA (anyone watch the Pat Tillman documentary?) Emails and IP addresses can easily be faked by those, say, specializing with a group of folks working in the world of political "intelligence".
Petraeus has been a master of "perception spin" for decades. Facts show his career would NOT be ruined by one affair, and combined with the odd FBI actions - not many of their "facts" are showing logical sense. S'up, David??!!
..............
I think this calls for a special prosecutor, seriously. I'm not buying any of the fanfare in the media about an affair, nobody's actually confirmed anything other than a resignation, everything else is hearsay a speculation as far as the media goes.
maindawg
(1,151 posts)hourly. The speed with which this story has broken is setting new world records. We are at level 5.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)this thing isn't going away any time soon. And someone should keep an eye on the sour loser of the white house. Shifty bastard isn't likely to go quietly into the night, except to stab somebody in the back. HamRove is up to his eyeballs in shit-stained apologies right about now... and he's not the kind to take the fall... that's somebody else's job.
Putting on my tinfoil hat here--ok--
Remember the 47% tape, where Romney said something about how he would take advantage of an Iran Hostage-type situation if it presented itself?
All the RW think tankers running around giving orders to troops--
Granted, I know nothing about what's going on here--but it sure sounds fishy--
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)a Florida party, lots of military down there, not including centcom.
My take is that that statement was the cue to create something, and I think the command was answered.
Fishy for sure and I don't think it's the mudflats at low tide...
mckara
(1,708 posts)For Selfishness!
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)K&R!!!
triplepoint
(431 posts)and if you claim that he's a member or was a member of PNAC, please provide at least one link to support your claim.
Tutonic
(2,522 posts)He is tied at the hip to Dan Senor and very chummie with John Bolton, tow of the PNAC loonies. This story gets stranger by the hour.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)navarth
(5,927 posts)I am perplexed...
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)If you place your cursor on the connecting lines, it tells you the relationship. I can't wait until they update the players in the Petraeus nightmare...
navarth
(5,927 posts)"People related to Council on Foreign Relations:"
lists him as a member. I'm hoping it's because of his humanitarian work in Africa?? Like I say, I'm perplexed....don't like seeing his name in a list where I also find Dan Senor and Condoleeza Blood-Soaked-War-Criminal Rice.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)also click on those names and get a relationship map and subsequent info below, like a profile, on that entity as well.
Here's what clicking on his name from that list reveals, do read the stuff under it... I didn't on the original link so that's why I was confused about Clooney at first.
http://www.muckety.com/George-Clooney/3062.muckety
navarth
(5,927 posts)what if George's membership entail? makes me curious.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)That given all those movies about the middle east, terrorism and such he may have had to get acquainted with some of the military for research and clearance. NO movies in Hollywood get made with military info unless the pentagram allows it...
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)as every position within the government as those positions open.
libodem
(19,288 posts)From all the Republicans on any and all appointments, requiring congressional approval. A clear record exists of absolute political partisan obstruction, over the previous four years.
The Republicans are an activist reactionary partisan political obstructionist group. They are obstructing government, in a block of power, to make the President fail. They in turn are making the country fail. They are not on the side of our country.
Tea party Republicans especiallyvhave gone in not to govern but to disrupt the process.
Can't you be impeached just over blowjobs? The House of Reps is filled with impeachment ready Republicans.
Yep.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)is questioning the "affair" story line on CNN!!
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/12/opinion/kurtz-petraeus-media/index.html?iid=article_sidebar
A little late to the game but I'm sure the producers are reading the web...
DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)There is this little doc called the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
KnR
JVS
(61,935 posts)Harry_Scrote
(121 posts)Ollie North and the penalties he paid for the Iran-Contra B.S.? Me thinks this will be like that. Again.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]And demoted. At least.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Wow, how long ago was that?
AzDar
(14,023 posts)yardwork
(61,588 posts)We are Democrats. Republicans are not needed in this administration.
Initech
(100,063 posts)- The sex thing gets them e.v.e.r.y. t.i.m.e.
Initech
(100,063 posts)Sure - it didn't matter that Butters was almost decapitated by a ninja star - Cartman streaking across the stage was the worst thing ever to happen to the town!! Sometimes satire really does mirror real life.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)I guess I missed that one, course I've only had Internet for a couple years now.
I watched Rachel Maddow this evening and two segments were devoted to this scandalous octopus of a story. Seems she's not entirely buying the "it was just an affair" line either. She had Richard Engel on last night and what he had to say was very open ended leaving a lot of questions to be answered. Here's tonight's follow up:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#49798327
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#49798400
mojowork_n
(2,354 posts)... in "privatizing" military contracting services.
Quid pro Quo.
Scratch my back and I'll introduce you.... kind of stuff?
No doubt neatly side-stepping chain-of-command, authorized or certified or approved.... whatever.
The Old Boys Network, only a free-for-all if you have the right connections. The way our Republican governors run state Bid-Ness.
You know the mantra -- "Gub-mint BAD, Bid-ness GOOD."
amborin
(16,631 posts)Dems50State
(147 posts)Now look at it. The only one who gets hurt is a Republican General. Moveon.org was right when it said General Betrayus
brewens
(13,574 posts)would be the best way to make sure they squeezed every dime out.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)this is the real story I bet .. how much looting under the watch of these men
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)regarding the FuxNews implication that it was a set up by the Obama team is that whenever they try to apply their conspiracy theories to Obama, it reveals exactly what they are actually doing and intending to do to him. They are so juvenile in their actions, and they like Rmoney, are so spoiled and accustomed to getting their way that they fail to notice how quickly and easily they expose themselves to those of us who possess a positive IQ on a number line.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)I'm adding that term to my list! (if you don't mind)
brewens
(13,574 posts)benld74
(9,904 posts)Blue Owl
(50,349 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)So the hypocrisy of that makes his own sexual meanderings offensive. Sanctity! Goddy God! Republican Values!
Corruption is corruption.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)This nation is killing other humans in the name of national security when it seems the reality is that it is just a big money and sex game for powerful military traitors.
'We might need to extend past 2014...depending on my sex life'.
Betrayed the American People, all of them. They should be in prison.
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)| WASHINGTON, Sep 12 2007 (IPS) - In sharp contrast to the
| lionisation of Gen. David Petraeus by members of the U.S.
| Congress during his testimony this week, Petraeus's
| superior, Admiral William Fallon, chief of the Central
| Command (CENTCOM), derided Petraeus as a sycophant during
| their first meeting in Baghdad last March, according to
| Pentagon sources familiar with reports of the meeting.
|
| Fallon told Petraeus that he considered him to be "an
| ass-kissing little chickenshit" and added, "I hate people
| like that", the sources say. That remark reportedly came
| after Petraeus began the meeting by making remarks that
| Fallon interpreted as trying to ingratiate himself with a
| superior.
| ...
<http://www.ipsnews.net/2007/09/us-iraq-fallon-derided-petraeus-opposed-the-surge/>
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:55 PM - Edit history (1)
it was yesterday!
MzShellG
(1,047 posts)Thrill
(19,178 posts)This guy was a weasel. We may eventually find out, he allowed the Bengazhi incident to happen
That's my instinct as well. It will all come out eventually. There's blood in the water & the sharks are on the hunt.
It's definitely a possibility.
Mitt was salivating at the prospect of getting an "Iran hostage type situation" to catapult himself into the White House.
Fox jumped on this with weird, incomprehesible narratives that seemed canned--made up and scripted beforehand.
Maybe the whole thing was a screw up--they were supposed to take hostages, ended up killing people instead? (Or have I watched Fargo too many times?)
Anyway--very messy.
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)This is a Big Thing
Spook Overhead spotlighted as an area of political influence and
wasteful spending .... and more I would suspect
This is the $900 Toilet Seat of the Military Industrial Complex
This is the night to watch "Charlie Wilson's War"
suffragette
(12,232 posts)guys think all Republicans are bad but I actually think he could trust General Powell because the republicans threw him under the Bus. Powell knows about those Neocons but unfortunately some Democrats are too hard on him. Powell could be very useful if he was in this Administration which I think is a waste. Governor Crist has been very useful also.
I do agree with you on some of these Generals though. The Republican Party is too cozy with our military and intelligence agencies. I'm not talking about the enlisted ranks but the General Staffs and the people that have influence over our troops. They should not be taking sides in politics. If the FBI and CIA comes under the Executive Branch, that FBI agent has a chain of command. He went over his superiors to a known partisan Republican. This is the same Party that have nuts talking about seccession in the their Party and all these right wing extremists. I think it is important to maintain discipline and this guy should be rooted out of the FBI. If this guy thought there was a problem, then he should have notified a Democrat in Congress also. This is showing too much impartiality to the Republican Party.
As far as Petraeus, Cantor had information to blackmail a General working for the President. Nobody in the media has touched on that prospect. They keep talking about Foreign threats but when your enemy is the Republican Party who will let the country go down the tank,you have to consider them as a threat too. Especially when many in their party think the President is a traitor.
deurbano
(2,894 posts)Surge of Think Tanks Blurs U.S. Policy Lines Part 1
by Michael Flynn (director of IPS Right Web and the lead researcher of the Global Detention Project at the Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies in Geneva
During his acceptance speech, titled "The Surge of Ideas", Petraeus lauded a number of neoconservative "scholars" associated with AEI, in particular "Team Kagan", for their work in preparing the intellectual ground work that led to the "surge" in Iraq .
Three months earlier, in January, Petraeus offered a very similar speech about the "surge of ideas" during a talked organised by Kim Kagan's Institute for the Study of War (ISW) During his ISW presentation, which was devoted largely to discussing U.S. military priorities in the greater Middle East, Petraeus argued that "far more important than the surge of 30,000 additional U.S. troops was the surge of ideas that helped us to employ those troops." He said that a number of think tank "heroes" like "Fred" and "Kim" were responsible for developing a "study and analysis that did indeed have a strategic impact unlike that of any other study or analysis that I can think of" . claiming that their work "serendipitously" made its way into "the West Wing and ultimately even into the Oval Office
Petraeus's "surge of ideas" speech highlights an issue that has drawn increasing attention and criticism from commentators and foreign policy experts. In recent years, there has been a tendency for like-minded think tanks and military officers to jointly pursue policy objectives, sometimes in opposition to the stated preferences of the administration .
Katulis points to Petraeus's support for the work of Michael O'Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack of the centrist Brookings Institution. In a July 2007 article for the New York Times titled "A War We Might Just Win" - a "propaganda piece", says Katulis - the two analysts cited their military- sponsored tour in Iraq to claim that, as a result of the surge, "morale was high", the bad guys were on the run, and while the situation remained "grave", the military escalation merited continued congressional support .
This "Petreaus Model" was updated late last year by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, head of U.S. forces in Afghanistan .. Team members included the omnipresent Kagans, Stephen Biddle of the Council on Foreign Relations, Anthony Cordesman of the Centre for Strategic and International Studies, Andrew Exum of the Centre for a New American Security (CNAS), and Jeremy Shapiro of the Brookings Institution .