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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:11 PM

 

From a resident of "one of those states" like AL, KS, TX, MS etc.

We know the jokes and jibes probably better than you do. We often poke at our own states as we are aware of the political stance there. We have constant headaches from banging our heads against walls or tables.

We are liberals. Strangers in a strange land. Your last best hope.

On a more serious level without the science fiction, we would appreciate a less broad brush when painting our area as inbreds, el stupidos or whatever the nom du jour for us is at the moment.

We protest, we are active, we canvass and we are here and involved.

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Reply From a resident of "one of those states" like AL, KS, TX, MS etc. (Original post)
Whovian Nov 2012 OP
MuseRider Nov 2012 #1
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 #101
KatyAnn Nov 2012 #2
japple Nov 2012 #110
33Greeper Nov 2012 #3
Whovian Nov 2012 #9
atreides1 Nov 2012 #102
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #25
awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #54
amuse bouche Nov 2012 #81
Dawgs Nov 2012 #4
proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #5
tblue Nov 2012 #6
OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #10
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #22
broiles Nov 2012 #40
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #47
KCDem Nov 2012 #67
angel823 Nov 2012 #84
bvar22 Nov 2012 #85
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #20
Hosnon Nov 2012 #87
cordelia Nov 2012 #118
The Doctor. Nov 2012 #121
AlinPA Nov 2012 #7
savebigbird Nov 2012 #8
KatyaR Nov 2012 #11
DirkGently Nov 2012 #12
Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #29
Submariner Nov 2012 #44
Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #45
amuse bouche Nov 2012 #83
kentauros Nov 2012 #97
Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #114
Carolina Nov 2012 #117
daleanime Nov 2012 #109
progressoid Nov 2012 #13
GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #14
Lex Nov 2012 #15
The Doctor. Nov 2012 #16
savebigbird Nov 2012 #24
demilib Nov 2012 #107
Piasladic Nov 2012 #27
AAO Nov 2012 #48
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #57
AAO Nov 2012 #108
kentauros Nov 2012 #43
The Doctor. Nov 2012 #59
kentauros Nov 2012 #64
The Doctor. Nov 2012 #113
kentauros Nov 2012 #115
The Doctor. Nov 2012 #119
kentauros Nov 2012 #123
The Doctor. Nov 2012 #124
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #60
kentauros Nov 2012 #65
paleotn Nov 2012 #62
YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #82
The Doctor. Nov 2012 #120
kag Nov 2012 #17
w8liftinglady Nov 2012 #35
al_liberal Nov 2012 #18
Whovian Nov 2012 #19
justice1 Nov 2012 #21
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #23
LiberalArkie Nov 2012 #26
leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #88
n2doc Nov 2012 #28
Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #30
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #37
Hayabusa Nov 2012 #69
patrice Nov 2012 #31
Care Acutely Nov 2012 #32
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #33
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #39
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #63
tXr Nov 2012 #68
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #71
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #77
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #34
mac56 Nov 2012 #36
Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #38
momsrule Nov 2012 #41
mckara Nov 2012 #42
triplepoint Nov 2012 #46
heaven05 Nov 2012 #49
nightscanner59 Nov 2012 #50
EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #51
asuhornets Nov 2012 #52
Stonepounder Nov 2012 #53
behrstar Nov 2012 #78
TomClash Nov 2012 #55
DollarBillHines Nov 2012 #56
mbfromnm Nov 2012 #58
NMDemDist2 Nov 2012 #61
kentauros Nov 2012 #66
InsultComicDog Nov 2012 #70
lupinella Nov 2012 #72
HCE SuiGeneris Nov 2012 #73
jillan Nov 2012 #74
ecstatic Nov 2012 #75
Whovian Nov 2012 #76
dem in texas Nov 2012 #79
YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #80
DarleenMB Nov 2012 #86
bvar22 Nov 2012 #89
Butterbean Nov 2012 #90
kentauros Nov 2012 #96
geardaddy Nov 2012 #91
leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #92
TNProfessor Nov 2012 #93
Catlover827 Nov 2012 #94
Whovian Nov 2012 #95
Bake Nov 2012 #98
Bake Nov 2012 #99
cry baby Nov 2012 #100
fleur-de-lisa Nov 2012 #103
Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #104
Mkap Nov 2012 #105
Whovian Nov 2012 #106
Cha Nov 2012 #111
demosincebirth Nov 2012 #112
Carolina Nov 2012 #116
quinnox Nov 2012 #122

Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:16 PM

1. AND

most of us have no desire to move from where we live. Some do sure, but I can't tell you how repugnant the thought of moving from my home state with my family history just to live somewhere where most people agree with me is. Sounds like moving from my wonderful farm into a gated community, it is that repugnant to me.

Thank you, NGU.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:16 PM

101. Hmm...someone should explain this to economists

In a textbook world, everyone is expected to move to where the jobs are, so forms of "protectionism" are viewed as inefficient.

I majored in economics. We never talked about humanity. And it's a social science!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:18 PM

2. Amen

from a Proud, Tennessee Liberal who doesn't want to live anywhere else.

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Response to KatyAnn (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:54 PM

110. And from one in Georgia who doesn't want to live near anyone else!



Edit to add: Welcome to DU, Katy!!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:19 PM

3. It is not easy

Being a Liberal in Confederate Jeebus Land. I stand with you, as a bright blue dot from Alabama. Please lift us all up. Thanks.

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Response to 33Greeper (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:34 PM

9. I can only lift us up as far as we want to go.

 

Things will get better once Roy Moore fucks up again and gets kicked out one more time.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:28 PM

102. You really believe that will happen?

The man was kicked to the curb once before and now he's been elected to the state Supreme Court...I think perhaps you might be a little more optimistic then what is indicated by the reality of the situation.

As for these petitions, well even if liberals like you don't sign it, there are more then enough conservatives who will!

Before you can lift yourselves up, you'll have to get rid of those that want to keep you down...and seeing as to how you and others like you are outnumbered, that won't be happening for some time.

But good luck...you're all going to need it!

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Response to 33Greeper (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:49 PM

25. Ditto and Amen to that.

Esp. out here in the red rural part of the state.

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Response to 33Greeper (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:04 PM

54. Yep, being a liberal...

in the northeast is relatively easy. Try being a liberal atheist with a gay sister in Texas

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Response to 33Greeper (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:09 PM

81. "Confederate Jeebus Land"

--Funny cause it's true. I'm from MA but wound up in Fl because of a son's college scholarship and scary ex.

Let me tell you, when I first saw all those Confederate flags, I was beyond disgusted and appalled. Fortunately there have been a lot fewer of them over the last several years.... and Yay--Fl went Blue. Keep hope alive

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:19 PM

4. Thanks. Many states, like my home state of Georgia, votes DEM over 40% of the time.

I think it would be better to try and persuade the few percent we need to gain control than demonize a whole state.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:20 PM

5. Thank you

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:20 PM

6. Nobody is putting you down.

We know you're there and we appreciate you. At least that's what I think. Don't worry. We don't blame you.

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Response to tblue (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:36 PM

10. If you think that, then you haven't read some of the nasty comments posted to DU....

....about what some DUers would like to see happen to the Deep South.

Here are my responses to posters of that ilk....I'm a liberal, I vote Democratic, I've lived in Alabama for the last 22 years, my wife's family is from this area, and I'm not moving. Period.

Every time I see threads started with those kinds of comments, I immediately place the poster on full ignore. There's nothing they could say in the future that would prove they have the intelligence higher than that of an average houseplant.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:36 PM

22. You took the words right out of my mouth.

I'm in Texas. I moved from a very blue state after 25 years and love it here. Been here more than two decades. You couldn't pay me to move back. This is my home. My spouse is a Texan. My kids are Texans. We're all Democrats and we all vote.

My 'Ignore' list has grown exponentially since the election.

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Response to Indpndnt (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:24 PM

40. I'm a native born Texas as are all of my family

But I'm a native born American first, as was Molly, LBJ, Jim Hightower, and Ann. Nobody is going to take my American from me. We will fight. I wonder if most of these traitors or not people have moved into the state from elsewhere.

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Response to broiles (Reply #40)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:41 PM

47. Don't look at me!

When I moved here for graduate school all those years ago, I looked around and thought, "Where has this been all my life?" And I never left.

I love it in Texas and I'm sick to death of having to defend it here, of all places, where people should know better. This has gone on here for years. Yet, somehow, people still wonder why red state residents don't like those in the blue states. There are lots of reasons, but nasty, condescending attitude is right up there on the list.

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Response to Indpndnt (Reply #47)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:11 PM

67. Agreed 100%

I live in Houston (was in KC back when I first joined DU however many years ago Bush the 2nd was appointed), and we have the only lesbian mayor of a large city. We're liberal-ish. We went Obama. We're not nearly as red as some other states. I'm sick and tired of people ignoring us and saying "sure, secede already." Nope, I love this state, flaws and all. My biggest complaint is that the national Dem party all but ignores us. Lampson could have won, as well as Sadler. They need to start funneling $ here, or I'm going to start funneling my outrageous teacher's salary out to Move On endorsed candidates in other states.

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Response to KCDem (Reply #67)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:26 PM

84. me too - born in Texas

and live in Houston.

I've been around DU for a while (2004). I don't post much, but I appreciate the conversation.

And Texas will not secede if I have anything to say about it.

Angel in Texas

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Response to broiles (Reply #40)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:43 PM

85. Bill Moyers... and This Guy, one of my favorite Texans:


Anonymous Liberal Texan standing across the street from Governor Rick Perry's mansion.

Texas Liberals are Sharp Tongued, Outspoken, Fiery, and Courageous.
Love Em.

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Response to tblue (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:32 PM

20. Right. Thelma, Louise, and you, remember? Less than 3 hours ago.

So 'funny.'

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Response to tblue (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:24 PM

87. "Nobody is putting you down."

Perhaps you aren't.

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Response to tblue (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:58 AM

118. Really?

You haven't seen the odious remarks made toward those of us who live in the so-called red states, particularly those of us in the South.

By so-called progressives?

Seriously?

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Response to cordelia (Reply #118)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:48 AM

121. Yes, really.

 

Let's see where DUers are bashing DUers in 'Red' States.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:22 PM

7. Well, PA has its share of el stupidos; recent elections produced a teabagger governor and

US Senator, State house and Senate controlled by the GOP, and 13/18 GOP US House members.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:25 PM

8. Fist bump from a liberal in another red state!!!

Just keep at it! We'll chip away at the 19th century values and views, a little at a time!

P.S. Allons-y!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:42 PM

11. This is so true.

Although I'd give my right arm for a little blue box to take me away to Liberal Land....

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:45 PM

12. Amen from "You deserve Rick Scott, assholes" Florida.


Even blue-state paragons like New York and California have their share of right-wingerism, bitherism, and racism. Donald Trump and Orly Tates aren't exactly doofus rednecks.

Geographical pride or bashing is the province of the stupid. We're better than that here.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:57 PM

29. And California gave us Nixon and Reagan, while New England gave us the bu$hes

On the other hand, 3 of the last 4 Democratic Presidents have come from the Old South.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:30 PM

44. Connecticut gave us the Bushes

Massachusetts, and most of the other New England states, except maybe Maine because they let them have a summer home there, had nothing to with it.

No New England broad brush please.

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Response to Submariner (Reply #44)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:33 PM

45. Sorry

I was thinking of the Maine connection, so I wrote "New England" instead of "Connecticut"

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:14 PM

83. So many fabulous politicians are from the little state of MA

I adore the Kennedys and John Kerry and had many interactions with them years ago

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:53 PM

97. I have to wonder what would have happened to the U.S.

if Reagan had never been elected Governor of California. I think it's safe to assume that he wouldn't have been elected President, and Bush Sr. might not have gotten his family any further into politics.

It could have been a win-win-win situation!

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Response to kentauros (Reply #97)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:22 AM

114. If Reagan had never appeared on the political scene,

I think it would, indeed, have been a triple win!

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:29 AM

117. and Massachusetts gave us

Governor Rmoney!

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:54 PM

109. Tell me about.....

Why do you think I have to put up with an idiot like Tom Reed in the House?

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:47 PM

13. Rec from a blue stater stuck in a red area.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:48 PM

14. Good "Strangers in a strange land" line.

And so true.

Every time I drive out of Philadelphia, I feel the same way as you do.

It's Pennsyltucky at the best of times despite pockets of blue.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:51 PM

15. I've traveled all over and there are ignoramuses and rednecks EVERYwhere.

Those blue states aren't blue all over.

The county I live in is deeply blue in NC and we are tilting toward blue as a state as the demographics change.



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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:55 PM

16. When DUers talk about 'stupid red state people',

 

They aren't talking about the liberals.

Thought that would be obvious, but apparently we have to speak more slowly and use smaller words.

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:48 PM

24. We realize you aren't talking about the liberals...

...we just need space and time to unload and whine about our situations from time to time. It gets INCREDIBLY frustrating to feel you're getting nowhere with the right wingers that literally surround you.

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Response to savebigbird (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:47 PM

107. I know what you mean savebigbird.

As much as I am happy about all the gains that liberalism won last week, it is still depressing when not much of it will effect the state I live in (Georgia). It doesn't help when there was a lot of unopposed Republicans on the ballot.

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:55 PM

27. When DUers talk about 'stupid red state people'...

This is exactly why people have a problem. You don't have to speak slowly to us or even more loudly. We hear you loud and clear. It's the broad brush, and it's infuriating.

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Response to Piasladic (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:45 PM

48. There are stupid and smart red staters. In a political sense, stupid=puke, smart=dem.

I guess I thought that would be obvious too. I live in a blue state (WI) and we have stupid people here too that voted Rmoney.

But, point taken.

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Response to AAO (Reply #48)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:25 PM

57. Not obvious when we have to put up with thread after thread of "We Blue States Need to Secede!"

And all the crap flung around about red states and how awful they are in every way. I'll put the beauty, diversity, and friendliness of Texas up against that of my old blue state any day.

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Response to Indpndnt (Reply #57)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:47 PM

108. I never been to Texas. Always meant to, but now, not sure I ever will.

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:30 PM

43. Except for the fact that most DUers do not specify 'stupid red state people'.

The majority of the time, it's 'stupid red state' and that all of the residents are being broad-brushed.

One thing I find interesting on DU, is that a large portion of those that love to lob these broad brushes against the rest of us, can't be bothered to tell us where they live. I noticed that part of your own profile is blank. So, was that slow and specific enough for you?

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Response to kentauros (Reply #43)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:43 PM

59. I've never made the 'state' thing personal.

 


In fact, I was trying to invite levity to another 'broad brush' attack on DU for supposedly 'broad brushing' red states.

I don't take well to douchebags inferring shit and making things personal.

If that's you, you'll be on ignore shortly.

If it's not, then you'll have something smarter to say in your next response to me.

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #59)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:54 PM

64. I know with your use of smilies, you were trying to be silly

and/or "invite levity". However, it simply did not come off that way. Look at the other replies to you for a hint. Now, perhaps you'll think about that aspect next time.

I might also ask if you get the hint that we're tired of being bashed? It's unbecoming of DU, and yet-- And Yet, it continues, akin to Norquist's "poopy head" level of education and maturity.

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Response to kentauros (Reply #64)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:01 PM

113. YOU were not being 'Bashed'.

 


All this sanctimonious whining about non-existant 'bashing of DU southerners' is just childish.

Please, grow up.

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #113)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:19 AM

115. "non-existant"?

Please, wake up.

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Response to kentauros (Reply #115)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:44 AM

119. Please,

 

Provide LINKS.

(To the non-existent bashing of southern DUers, Thank you.)

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #119)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:39 AM

123. I shouldn't have to be your eyes

when you should be able to see this stuff for yourself. But I'll be nice and attempt to open your eyes to this problem on DU.

Also, this could be construed as callouts, and another reason why I'd rather not do this for you:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021808440#post34

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021807991#post19

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021814210

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021753100#post5


(I could probably find more, but as I'm at work, I really don't have the time to do this nice thing for you.)

My educated guess is that you won't see a single one of these as bashing, mostly due to your confusion on the issue. That is, it's not us individuals that are being bashed. It's our home states. Do you understand the difference?

(I'll post this on your poutrage-thread, too.)

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Response to kentauros (Reply #123)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:55 AM

124. Really?

 


That was the POINT. That people are claiming that they and their efforts as individuals are being "bashed".

It is a bullshit claim, and you've only helped to cement that point. Yes, the states get bashed because of the morons that control them, NOT because of the Democrats that live there.

Thanks much for your efforts, but the very deliberately divisive claims that DU bashes red state DUers are utter bullshit and you know it.

I won't apologize for defending DU from bullshit attacks that could be the perfect gateway for trolls to sow discord here. Period. I've seen it happen for years, and I've seen trolls come and go, and the fact of the matter is that DU is a haven for all liberals and Democrats and people that believe in an empirical reality.

No, fuck that. No one on DU 'Bashes' our southern brethren without being roundly chastised.

And I'll be the first person in line to do the chastising.

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Response to kentauros (Reply #43)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:44 PM

60. Well said!

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Response to Indpndnt (Reply #60)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:58 PM

65. Thank you :)

May I ask "who" you were before you lost your old member name?

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:51 PM

62. No, we can smell stereotypical BS...

...no matter how many syllables your words contain. So don't get me started about the wackadoodles in upstate NY, the bulk of New Hampshire, Bachman's section of Minnehaha, eastern Oregon, Orange County CA, down state IL, etc. etc. etc. Now don't get me wrong, I love your "blue states", I surely do, but for me it's simply a matter of population density. Here in western NC, I can't see our nearest neighbor until the leaves fall. Call me crazy, but I kind of like it that way. And barbeque...decent barbeque doesn't exist outside the old north state!

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:13 PM

82. So what woild you consider Steve King and Michelle Bachmmann?

Or Paul Ryan, for that matter?

All three are from states that voted for Obama.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Reply #82)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:47 AM

120. They're morons.

 

Your point?

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:05 PM

17. My whole family lives in Texas...

and they are all (except my dad) very lefty liberals. I, myself, live in Colorado, and we libs are hanging on by a thread here. (Though, maybe a few doobies will lighten everyone up a little).

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Response to kag (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:10 PM

35. Funny you should mention that

legalization of marijuana was on our party platform this year....

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:15 PM

18. Alabama resident here.

Moved from Chicago in '96 for the best job I've ever had thus far. Living in Huntsville, where the Saturn V rockets that took men to the moon were built. But I will never disagree with any stereotypical depiction of this state. These people are the ones that defined the stereotypes about the South.

If something anywhere remotely progressive is happening anywhere in the country, it will come here last, if at all.

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Response to al_liberal (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:18 PM

19. Huntsville is the Silicon Valley of the SE.

 

Probably one of the more enlightened areas to live in Alabama.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:33 PM

21. The buck stops with the National Democratic Party

The Democrats missed a golden opportunity, to pick up a congressional seat in Nebraska, while ousting Lee Terry. John Ewing,a black man, for those who think everyone is a racist here,running for the first time, finished with 49% of the vote, despite the fact that Terry had about a $2 million war chest, and is one of the longest serving Congressman in Nebraska history, compared to less then $500,000 for Ewing.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:45 PM

23. I hear you. This is the same nastiness flung around DU after every election.

I was here on DU from 2003-2008 until right after the election. Put up with the crap about red states in 2004 and finally had enough in late 2008. Now that I'm back with a new ID (lost the old one), I find the same familiar names, and a whole lot of new ones, making the same familiar 'jokes.' And if we don't find those 'jokes' funny, we have no sense of humor.

Pathetic.

Substitute another group of people in these 'jokes' and let's see how funny they are.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:53 PM

26. I just wished that the DNC had taken 1 day's advertising in the swing states and sent some of it to

us. It might have changed some of the state elections. Maybe Arkansas would not have gone solid Republican in our state legislature. It was a close election in some areas. Most of us Red stater's just need a little help. We can't fight all the churches, Wal-Mart and Fox all by ourselves.

Arkansas has its first Republican legislature since reconstruction.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:25 PM

88. That sucks...

 

So now your legislature is full of in-breds who make jokes about slavery and immigrants?

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:56 PM

28. Again, look at the map of voting from the last election:



Every blue county voted at least 70% Democratic Party. Tell me again that the South is the only place we have Wingnuts? Or that by cutting it out/letting it go we get rid of them?

Those of us here in Chatham County, Georgia , proudly voted to return Barack Obama to the White House. We will not allow others to marginalize us.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:03 PM

30. Along the Mississippi River,

counties tend to be blue or purple, whether they're in the North or the South.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:14 PM

37. I have seen that map before. You are right. I personally occasionally have to deal with

a number of off the deep end Righties in my deep blue state.

Keep fighting. Soon I hope to pop a cold one and enjoy on the election night you help take Georgia blue.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:20 PM

69. It is so sad...

that I can clearly make out Boone county, Missouri on that map. Columbia truly is a liberal oasis in a sea of conservative countryside...

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:04 PM

31. This is some serious shit we've gotten ourselves into. Energy Revolution! Love Local!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:05 PM

32. Cobalt blue in Husker red Nebraska here.

Planning to move to very northwestern Montana where I can enjoy the company of a few more fellow liberals and some damn scenery before I die.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:06 PM

33. once your state turns blue- it'll stop.

 

so the ball's in your court.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:19 PM

39. No, it's in yours. Move here. Only numbers will do it.

And I moved here from a very blue state in the NE. The worst racists and most intolerant people I've ever met in my life still live there and they're multiplying. If you won't move here, then fix that there.

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Response to Indpndnt (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:49 PM

63. soory- I'm not stooopid enough to move to a red state...

 

and since i'm not in the NE- i'm not the one to talk to about fixing that there.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #63)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:41 AM

71. Thanks for the intellectual response. How old are you?

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Response to Indpndnt (Reply #71)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:45 AM

77. you're welcome.

 

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:09 PM

34. Keep fighting. The stupid among you are dying off. Keep your chins up. I would have never

thought 10 years ago that Florida would become a blue firewall during national elections, or that Virginia would go blue two times in a row or that North Carolina would go blue one during my lifetime and maybe blue a lot more.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:11 PM

36. K&R

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:15 PM

38. Lost in a Lost World

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:24 PM

41. Thank you for every democratic vote-wherever you are.

My home state went blue in 08 to red this year in the presidential race. But fortunately, voters went against Murdoch (rape/pregnancy is God's will). However, we will be constrained to Mike Pence as govenor who emulates tea party crazies. Sorry for all who get their feelings hurt-there's a lot of it going on. Maintain your values over your anger and support those elected dems and those who will be coming in 2014. Stay true to blue!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:29 PM

42. Keep the Faith Baby! There's a Great Day Coming Because of Your Influence on Others!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:40 PM

46. If It EVER Happens in Your Lifetime....

 

Where will you go if your state secedes? Just asking the hypothetical here...

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:46 PM

49. the

whole country is full of ignorant backward, racist people with no clue, except what fox noise tells them to do, as to how to treat their fellow human beings. So rest assured whovian, whoever throws a stone at your house lives in an area with just as many that live in their own glass houses. You know the tossing of stones and living in glass houses thing.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:46 PM

50. Try and disregard those who don't know what you're up against.

Those in such situations, however, are in prime territory to stir thought over emotion. Working as a traveller, I've lived in the reddest, tea-party strongholds to the bluest silicon valley. When I hear the conservative drivvel coming from one of the self-righteous, it sometimes opens the opportunity to ask... (gasp...) a... QUESTION!! about their beliefs. I.E.:
"Them damn abortion doctors should be strung up"...
"So we should kill the baby after it's born like they do in many other parts of the world?"
"Silence..."
(Probably because they just aren't used to someone who doesn't just ditto the emotion)
Some forms of ignorance take care of themselves. My cousin, after having a terrible summer drought and lost all his crops has finally admitted there might be "something to" that global warming stuff even when FOX tells him otherwise...
I wonder how FOX is faring from their election predictions? A little less trustworthy now, are we?
At risk of being called one of those damn lib-rolls, dismissed from one job (very obviously because my views were not "conservative" enough) I've seen a few, if just a few, evolve.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:52 PM

51. You have my respect and gratitude. n/t

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:54 PM

52. Well said

I am originally from Alabama moved to Georgia. I luv the South.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:55 PM

53. Proud liberal in Kentucky

I grew up in Ohio, moved to California when I graduated from Ohio State, and moved to Kentucky 12 years ago. I would never leave. The people are friendly and even though I live in the 'greater Cincinnati area' it flavor is much more 'small town'. (We recently had an issue with our property tax. The previous owners owed the tax, we didn't. Made a call to the assessor's office, they checked their records and told us not to worry. About 6 weeks later we got a personal call from the assessor's office just to let us know that we would be receiving another delinquency notice but to ignore it - a personal call. Try that in California!) Sure, we are surrounded by Republicans, but they are liberals at heart, they just don't know it.

Oh, and just for the record, the Governor of Kentucky (red state) is a Democrat, while the Governor of Ohio (blue state) is a Reputhug.

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Response to Stonepounder (Reply #53)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:41 AM

78. Another Kentucky Liberal here

and I prefer the nom du jour "Teabilly F-ckstick"

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:10 PM

55. +10000000

A fair criticism.

No one should be "grouped." You're one of us, on our side, regardless of residence.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:13 PM

56. Thank you

As a Native Texan in the Bluest area of the country, I am oft exposed to eye-rolls and sighs when asked where my accent comes from.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:32 PM

58. There is plenty of backwardness throughout the US

I am white and have done race work for 20 years across the country. The best work we ever do on race takes place in the South (I live in the Northeast). It is my experience that the hardest place to get whites to do good race work (speaking statistically; this does not mean every individual white person) is in the Northeast or in California.

I remember that Alexis de Tocqueville noted in his 1837 book Democracy in America, that "antipathy toward blacks is strongest in those states that have never experienced slavery."

The Black codes that denied free blacks the right to serve on juries, testify in court or hold office began in Ohio and spread across the mid-west into the west beginning in 1820.

James Loewen's book Sundown Towns documents how prevalent these were in the north, west and mid-west.

Since all of us, both white and of color, get the same messages about race, prejudice is everywhere. In the north, whites still move whenever the proportion of blacks gets close to 10%.

In the south, folks acknowledge that we have a problem. In the north the denial (and I live in a college town) is pretty ubiquitous.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:49 PM

61. I can say from experience that Arizona blows and Texas sucks

and poor blue NM is caught in the cross winds

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Response to NMDemDist2 (Reply #61)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:05 PM

66. According to Rev. Horton Heat,

Texas "blows"




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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:26 AM

70. I couldn't agree more

Having been in many of these states, and knowing people from many more of them, some of the finest people and most solid liberals I have ever known came from places like Mississippi and Utah.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:46 AM

72. K&R Thanks for this.

Floridian here - I know how screwed up my state is, so don't need a reminder!
Having toured many states, from crimson to Tardis blue, I used to be surprised at the racist conservatives from the good liberal states. Now I realize that hatred lives everywhere, and we must work against it wherever we are.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:02 AM

73. You are the change factor. As in Cleveland, your voices resound.

Stay strong. Don't let the detractors cause you concern.


We are all vital in the struggle against the tyranny that opposes us. TY for your efforts in the adverse environment in which you dwell.













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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:07 AM

74. When you live in one of those states - you work so hard volunteering to get Dems elected & then you

lose.

It would be easy to get discouraged - please hold us up, instead of tear us down.

I think I am the only one that is not happy about the election results. Yes, THRILLED that our President won in a landslide, but sick to my stomach that Richard Carmona lost the Senate seat (we think) and that Joe Arpaio won yet another term.


It's hard to be a liberal when your home is a red state.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:08 AM

75. I'm so proud of democratic and/or liberal turnout in red states; however,

what people are saying about the south is true. A lot of southerners are now talking about seceding. I think they deserve every bit of scorn they're receiving. I don't consider myself a part of it.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #75)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:29 AM

76. Oddly the most tabid right winger I personally know lives in Ohio.

 

Rurality and lack of education seems to play major roles in RW strongholds.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:57 AM

79. From a liberal Texan

Yes, I find it very hard to take when people make fun of Texans. Granted, we have plenty of people here in the Lone Star State who deserve to be laughed at; Rick Perry and Louis Gommert just to name two. But there are strongholds of liberals in Texas. The larger cities, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, El Paso and the Rio Grand Valley vote Democrat. The election year, 2006 still gives me a thrill. In Dallas county, every single republican judge was voted out of office. So there are some blue spots of Texas big red map, but hang on, our time is coming!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:06 PM

80. Thanks for this thread

I am not a Southerner, but I've visited Florida and Texas (neither of which are "typical" Southern states-if there is such a thing). I don't recall any nastiness thrown at me, a Californian.

There's a lot of right-wing nuttery in my state of California, actually. Not only are large swathes of the interior majority-GOP, but I've met a few very conservative people in the coastal regions (like some of my family near San Luis Obispo, in the central coast).
I also have right-wing relatives in Ohio, which is most decidedly NOT a Southern state.

Anyway, your thread is relevant, because while a lot of people are taken in by the RW propaganda (and not just in the South, either, there are also a lot of people (like you) who see through it.

The part should never be confused with the whole.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:14 PM

86. Thank you

We live in Wyoming. 150,000+ voted for rmoney and the other 68,000+ of us voted for Obama. We a small group but we are here, nonetheless.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:28 PM

89. Living in the Rural, Red South...

..and LOVING it!


In 2005, my Wife & I moved from a Big Blue Northern City
to a very RED area of the rural South,
and haven't regretted a single day.

For some reason, Hating On The South is the only approved bigotry allowed on DU.
In all my years at DU,
I have never seen a Hating-On-The-North or a Lets Re-Fight the Civil War thread
started by a DUer who actually LIVES in The South.

The South belongs to us ALL.
Hating-On-The-South is Hating on Yourself.
If you believe that something needs to be done about The South,
MOVE HERE and help us change it.


Our BLUE vote weighs much more here in the rural South
than it did in Minneapolis.

--bvar22 & Starkraven
changing the South Blue one vote at a time!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:30 PM

90. According to some, we're immoral for even LIVING in the south, and

it is our moral, Christian duty to do everything we can to move out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021767860#post75

Neat, huh?

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Response to Butterbean (Reply #90)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:48 PM

96. The better reply to that one might have been

"Good riddance."

I do get the impression lately that there are members here on the non-South side of the Civil War that can only be described as "sore winners." It's like they want to start it all over again and make sure we all secede this time!

I mean,

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:31 PM

91. K and R

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:32 PM

92. Ever see an electoral map of Maryland?

 

The state went 62% to Obama, but there are huge swathes of red. Garrett County went to Romney by the same margin as Utah did.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:33 PM

93. Nashville liberal here! nt

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:39 PM

94. Born and raised in Kansas. Living in Texas.

It's no wonder I'm all messed up! I did have a brief sojourn in Pennsylvania and would love to live in a blue state again.

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Response to Catlover827 (Reply #94)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:44 PM

95. Born in MO moved to AL

 

Raised by social liberals from day one. All we can do is be an example ad try to change from within.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:06 PM

98. Well said, Whovian, and I heartily concur.

But don't hold your breath. I've been around here long enough to know that. You have too.

Sigh.



Bake

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:08 PM

99. And God knows, there's enough idiocy in NY for several states!

Donald Trump, anyone?

Bake

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:11 PM

100. I've never had the luxury of living in a blue state.

Those that do would do well to remember what you said here.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:15 PM

103. K & R - eom

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:19 PM

104. Half my family is from the South, going way,way back.

And while I do see snark at the South on DU, I have also been told by a Southern DUer that by reading my username she 'knew all she needs to know, you don't live in the real world, want to find out what this country is come to the South'. So my entire region is not really the country AND not the real world.
Tis a two way street. I grew up in CA. My Texas cousins loved that joke about CA being like granola, full of fruits and nuts. Kids and adults alike 'fruits and nuts and flakes!'.
And what of New Jersey? No State is more often mocked than Jersey. They are the comic punchline on our national map.
So I do say try looking out for the same sort of thing said to other cities, places, regions. You might find that many get the same sort of wise cracks you see toward the South. To be blunt, Southerners will often make cracks about other States just like anyone else. It is not an error which is exclusive to one region's residents.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:31 PM

105. How different

I sort of wonder just how much different is the south from the rest of the union. Like do they teach you in school that man use to ride around on raptors and stuff like that, and they paddle you in school!!! That's insane....no horny 50 year old teacher is going to spank me

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Response to Mkap (Reply #105)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:42 PM

106. Not when I went to school in the 60's and 70's.

 

The most egregious thing taught back then was state history that tried to make excuses for slavery in the textbook. Teachers pretty much slammed that chapter in the state history book.

I remember no sexual assaults by any teacher to anyone through my school days, I do remember getting my ass whacked by a paddle for smoking in the boys room without anything sexual being introduced.

OTOH, I remember my journalism/English teacher tried to get me kicked out of school for writing a Christmas parody in 1970 titled Joseph and The Virgin Harry. When she took me to the VP's office and he read it he laughed out loud and she wilted.

We also had a large contingent of anti-war students and civil rights activists that were not popular with the general populace of the time.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:56 PM

111. And, we love you for it! I don't denigrate whole states just

because the majority may be brainwashed. It's too generalizing..sweeping with a Broad Brush!

Carry On

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:12 PM

112. I agree with you totally, but a broad brush is a favorite tool used here not only in your case.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:25 AM

116. I feel your pain here

in SC, but a good sign is that 21 out of our 46 counties went for Obama in 2012 which is UP from 20 in 2008. And my little slice of sanity (my county) was solidly BLUE.

So even in the place that started the Civil War, there is hope.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:53 AM

122. meh

I'm more with the guy who said something along the lines of - "get the fuck out of there, ASAP" to be honest. Personally, I would hate being surrounded on all sides by right wingnuts all the time, and being immersed in that kind of moronic centered culture.

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