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WilliamPitt Nov 2012 OP
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #1
man4allcats Nov 2012 #2
kimbutgar Nov 2012 #3
WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #8
Panasonic Nov 2012 #11
WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #13
Panasonic Nov 2012 #16
LTR Nov 2012 #23
madinmaryland Nov 2012 #18
jpak Nov 2012 #4
WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #6
underthematrix Nov 2012 #5
Smickey Nov 2012 #7
Panasonic Nov 2012 #9
Zen Democrat Nov 2012 #10
Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #12
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #14
Wellstone ruled Nov 2012 #15
sandyshoes17 Nov 2012 #17
cali Nov 2012 #19
dogknob Nov 2012 #20
former-republican Nov 2012 #21
OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #22
Marr Nov 2012 #24
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #29
glinda Nov 2012 #25
hack89 Nov 2012 #26
Canuckistanian Nov 2012 #27
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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:42 PM

1. Yup, they will

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:46 PM

2. Fine. Let'em try.

If Bush wasn't impeached after everything that little son of a bitch pulled, nobody should ever be impeached.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:51 PM

3. This Petraeus thing and Cantor knowing about it early and Karl Rove being pictured with the mistress

smells like a set up. This Benghazi thing could blow up in their faces is this was coordinated. A smart investigative journalist could put the pieces together. Maybe Petraeus was being blackmailed by the GOP to embarrass the President. There is more to this and it has a GOP dirty tricks type of scent.

But I wouldn't put it past the GOP congress to try to impeach the President. At least we have a firewall up in the Senate for the next two years to stop it.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:54 PM

8. "...to stop it."

That's the thing.

The goal isn't to impeach.

The goal is to unleash the impeachment process.

Which devours 18 months.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:59 PM

11. They can impeach him 100,000 times, but it doesn't mean that the Senate will take action

 

Reid will just ignore the House of Tards, Tardian Leader Boner.

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:02 PM

13. It. Doesn't. Matter.

The goal isn't impeachment.

The goal is the impeachment process, which takes 18 months, and devours everything during that time.

If Bill Clinton had been allowed to unleash his full potential in his second term, Al Gore would have won 449 Electoral College votes in 2000, and "fiscal conservatives" today would be like the "short people" in that old song: no reason to live. THAT'S why they impeached Clinton in the first place...and history loves to repeat itself.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:11 PM

16. Well, in 1994-95, we didn't have one thing: Social media.

 

The Rethugs will be HAMMERED very hard once the tweets starts trending and the anti-impeachment process gets as many likes.

Obama is teflon this time around.

The impeachment process will *FAIL* within days.

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:34 PM

23. Which is why Dems were smart not to impeach Bush

That's a very slippery slope there. And let's face it, impeachment wrecked Gingrich's career more than Clinton's.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:14 PM

18. How would it take 18 months. I think it would probably be ignored by democrats in the house.

Let them go through with the "charges" and just refuse to participate and in the charade. Would the douchebags in the house actually be able to get a majority to impeach?

I think the whole Benghazi/Patraues thing is going to explode in the Repukes faces as it turns out to be a plot by Rove & the House Leadership to create a situation.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:51 PM

4. Yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:53 PM

6. Great minds

and sad ideas.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:51 PM

5. sweetie all their witnesses will be in jail. The Benghazi drama

is a just a small piece of a larger GOPKKKer effort to overthrow the US government.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:53 PM

7. Agreed....unfortunately.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:58 PM

9. Let the GOP try - it's going to end their majority for 2014. Permanently.

 

The gerrymandering will be for naught. Every Republicans will know by now that they haven't been damaged by Obama, and rather by stupid House of Morons, with their Moron Leader Boner.

Latinos will overcome the gerrymandering and will go pure D.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:59 PM

10. The last time the House pulled impeachment they lost a lot of seats!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:01 PM

12. I think that's wildly off the mark given the position they're in right now.

Just sayin'

I think during the first term it could have happened- they sure as shit fucked everything else over that they possibly could.

But jackfucks in the House trying to start an impeachment ball rolling anytime soon- I just can't see it. They lost their shit, grande.

PB

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:05 PM

14. I don't think that they're really THAT stooopid.

 

the last time they tried it- they also got hammered at the ballot box. and that was when we had a GOOD economy.

Americans won't put up with that shit this time around- they want action on JOBS.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:08 PM

15. What the hell do you

think Libya is all about. Get your fingers out of your ears,this is Izza's Turd bowl tourney,and,he will push this to no end. The Repukes do not give a shit,it's all in end sum game.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:12 PM

17. This whole thing stinks of republicans

I think it will backfire. I'm starting to think this Pres is Teflon. Petraeus already resigned, who is next. They all thought Romney would win too. Times they have changed. So far the right lost a big guy, what's next. I wouldn't be so sure. I think they lost more than an election. I think if repubs aren't careful they could go down, so far one did. I don't know how this becomes PBO's problem, I see this more as a repub problem

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:15 PM

19. they can't and it's unlikely that they will

oh sure, the many wingnuts will gin up for it, but even though I find Boehner destestable, he's not batshit crazy and he's a shrewd pol.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:16 PM

20. This is why I began stressing the importance of down-ticket a long time ago.

The MSM's obsession with the Presidential Horse Race was a "watch-me-jingle-my-keys" campaign strategy.

The DUers who get any play here got into the act too late. Oh well.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:20 PM

21. This would be a death sentence for the GOP

 

They would lose 100 % of the moderates and every swing voter.

I don't see it happening no matter what fox news says.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:24 PM

22. Let them try...it will make the GOP look even worse for the 2014 mid-term elections. nt.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:37 PM

24. No way will they attempt impeachment.

It'd be political suicide now, and they know it. The GOP just suffered a serious beating for, among other things, their obvious obstructionism over the last four years. To attempt an impeachment of a popular president now would just mean losing the House in two years-- and facing a Democratic Party with a complete lock on government.

They're stupid, but they're not THAT stupid. I expect they'll simply obstruct as best they can from the House until at least 2014.

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Response to Marr (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:29 PM

29. You cant be series that they are not "that stupid". They will go for impeachment and/or

assassination, count on it. It has noting to do with stupid. They want power at any cost.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:52 PM

25. What is truly frightening is the face they showed they do not care and how desperate they are.

I hope, William, that you are wrong, for the sake of the Country.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:04 PM

26. I hope they try

it will destroy the Republican party.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:16 PM

27. Well, then... bring it on

It'll be the final death of the GOP if they make a play for this. EVERYONE (read: THE VOTERS) will be repelled by the stench of such desperation.

I welcome such an attempt.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:58 PM

28. Major differences: No Special Prosecutor Act, no Senate majority

In 1997-9 the Special Prosecutor Act loomed over the Presidency. Under that federal law (since expired), the DC Circuit Court appointed an "independent" investigator with unlimited budget, no limitations on staff, and virtually unlimited subpoena powers to go after the Clinton's.

Even though the first Special Prosecutor, Lawrence Walsh, found no probable cause for impeachment, the DC Circuit Court-- in an extra-judicial meeting over lunch-- decided to appoint a second one; the infamous Kenneth Starr.

The Special Prosecutor Act was an abomination against democracy and a mockery of our constitutional separation of powers. It died a quiet but deserved death at the end of the Clinton Administration.

Also, the GOP controlled the US Senate during the Clinton impeachment. Ergo, we Americans were inflicted with the spectacle of watching segregationist Strom Thurmond sitting in judgment against an popular young president. The Big Dog's numbers started ratcheting up as soon as the impeachment silliness began and were in the stratosphere by the time his term ended.

Thankfully, the American people voted to increase the Democratic majority in the senate last week.

Will the majority in the US House attempt to institute a Stalinist-style show trial to embarrass the Obama Administration during the next few years? Seems likely.

Will it backfire without the added heft of a Special Prosecutor and a Senate majority?

You bet.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:41 PM

30. I don't have room for the cows and the barn, but I'll take the tractor.

Of course, the "if" in your post leaves you a rather gaping way out.

I'll be more definitive. There will be no effort to impeach President Obama (or at least no effort any more serious than the efforts to impeach chimpy).

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