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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:08 PM

 

Fiscal cliff - it is very EASY to cut $1tn+ from Federal spending - here's how

Cut $500bn from military spending from the current $1,219bn in 2012.
By :-
Cut the $105bn p.a. budget for keeping 7,000 "contractors" in Iraq.

Cut the size of the worlds largest embassy in Baghdad - swap for smaller premises with someone else in the green zone and rent the rest out.

Bring back the 138,000 military that are currently stationed in Germany, Japan, South Korea, Italy & UK. Let them pay for their own defense.

Stop buying reaper and predator drones at $35m a pop - they are counter productive.
Stop spending money on hellfire missiles that serve only to recruit more jihadists and radicalize the local and general Middle East populations because of the extremely high number of innocent civilians killed.

Stop the $1.45 TRILLLION development of the next generation of stealth aircraft.
The US hasn't had a plane shot down since the 1st Gulf War.

Cut the size of the NSA and DHS, they are not cost effective.
A new $2bn datacentre is being built in Utah to store EVERY email sent in America.
The budgets of NSA and DHS have been massively increased over the last few years.

Withdraw immediately from Afghanistan - saving $100bn+ on current war costs.

Cut the $100bn+ medicare fraud.

Cut the price of FDA drugs or go generic earlier.

Fine the big banks for the mortgage (and other) frauds they have committed that should bring in circa $100bn (one off).

Stop the phoney war on drugs and save $200bn p.a. and have a MASSIVE reduction in crime and corruption.
http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/how-to-save-200bn-pa-from-federal-and.html

Stop the $200bn of new Pork issued each year.

Stop ALL foreign aid.

Stop ALL corporate welfare and subsidies.


Stop buying drones for border patrol.
They are VERY expensive, very inefficient, very easy to hijack their GPS systems and positively DANGEROUS to US citizens.
If a bunch of Texas University students can hijack a drone with less than $1,000 of equipment - you can be sure a Mexican drug gang can.
http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/us-drones-are-threat-to-us-citizens-in.html



I just saved $1tn+ without even trying and I hardly cut any jobs at all.



Then we can start talking about cutting the next $500bn of government spending.
This would mean a reduction in the number of government bureaucrats.
This would be done in conjunction with tax cuts for the poorest which would be an economic stimulus and create more jobs.

We can also talk about closing tax loopholes whereby multinationals siphon off profits to tax havens abroad and pay very little or no corporation tax.
That money can then be used to reduce corporation tax on small and medium sized businesses who are the real job and wealth creators. This would also be an economic stimulus.
This has just been proposed to the G20 by the UK and Germany.

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Reply Fiscal cliff - it is very EASY to cut $1tn+ from Federal spending - here's how (Original post)
Ian62 Nov 2012 OP
Scuba Nov 2012 #1
former-republican Nov 2012 #2
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #3
RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #4
Ian62 Nov 2012 #8
RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #12
Swede Atlanta Nov 2012 #5
Ian62 Nov 2012 #6
Hugabear Nov 2012 #7
ljm2002 Nov 2012 #9
Mr.Bill Nov 2012 #10
banned from Kos Nov 2012 #11
Ian62 Nov 2012 #13

Response to Ian62 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:17 PM

1. Sounds reasonable to me.

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Response to Ian62 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:29 PM

2. pipe dream

 

"Cut the price of FDA drugs or go generic earlier "

The politicians are in the back pockets of pharmaceutical companies


"Withdraw immediately from Afghanistan - saving $100bn+ on current war costs."

That's not going to happen for a number of reasons



"Stop ALL foreign aid"

Again not going to happen




"Stop the phoney war on drugs and save $200bn p.a. and have a MASSIVE reduction in crime and corruption"


Not going to happen because it's about money being made for the government , police depts , DEA etc.....





"Bring back the 138,000 military that are currently stationed in Germany, Japan, South Korea, Italy & UK. Let them pay for their own defense"


Maybe if Ron Paul won but that's not going to happen





"Stop ALL corporate welfare and subsidies"

Good luck with that with lobbyists controlling Washington , especially the Agriculture industry.


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Response to Ian62 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:40 PM

3. "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.

 

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." - Frederick Douglass

This, and for whom he works, is what we need our President to be reminded of hourly for the next four years.
& R

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Response to Ian62 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:40 PM

4. just this-A new $2bn datacentre is being built in Utah to store EVERY email sent in America.

 


Can't we at least get Republicans behind this?

What the hell, why is anyone supporting this Homeland Security bullshit?

I love your entire list

Was starting to brainstorm on this myself...
Why must the Democratic party continue Homeland Security and the TSA?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021797465

Mormon Church 'earns' 7 Billion per year- Time to Start Taxing the Churches!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021791848

We should stop waiting around for the House of Reps and the stupid ass media to take the lead.

WE won this election on the internet, through Twitter, facebook, DU, Kos, reddit and other social networks spreading the truth.

WE need to take the lead, using our social networks, to fix this country as well.

If nothing else, the politicians have finally proven, they don't know what they fuck they are doing.

Just because you are in power, doesn't mean you have a brain or a conscience.

We are the ones we have been waiting for.

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Response to RepublicansRZombies (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:48 PM

8. I don't see why churches shouldn't be taxed like every other business

 

They are a business selling faith.

The tithes paid to the Mormon Church are not charity.
The donations to the Mormons should not be tax deductible.

The Mormons use their money to build things like shopping malls.
They are a business, just like Billy Graham was a business and just like the Catholic church is a business.

There are already tax exemptions for specific charitable giving to a registered specific charity, like running a soup kitchen.
The Mormon church (or any other church) is not one of those, most of their money is spent on non charitable purposes, like paying their employees - the priests or the upkeep of their buildings (churches).

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Response to Ian62 (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:03 PM

12. exactly

 

It's a scam what they have going.

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Response to Ian62 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:44 PM

5. Dude or Dudette......

 

I can agree with the principles that drive your proposal but...

To suggest you haven't cut any jobs is totally outside of reality.

Every single one of your first 8 proposals would affect jobs. If you cut military spending you likely reduce not only military but also civilian employment.

Reducing contractors that serve the military or other government agencies, if Americans, could affect employment. Ditto for the embassy in BGW or pulling all our troops out of allied countries.

I admire your moxie but suggest the issue is much more complex.

For example if you eliminate a military program such as a hypothetical jet fighter Xenon, you will affect those involved with R&D or production at Xenon plus all of their suppliers.

So don't be fooled by thoughts these changes are "simple" or easy. They aren't.

As progressives what we need to do is refocus priorities.

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Response to Swede Atlanta (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:35 PM

6. I said cut jobs hardly at all

 

in proportion to the $1tn savings the job cuts are tiny.

Some of that money can be used far more productively to create jobs - cut tax rates for marginal tax payers.
The lower paid will spend that money given back in tax cuts, they are on the breadline.
And they would spend a lot of it on American goods & services - not hide it away in tax shelters.

Raise tax thresh holds, or keep the current 10% tax band at 10% instead of raising it to the proposed 15%, or stop taxing tips, or some combination of all three.

Proposed tax changes for 2013
http://taxes.about.com/od/Federal-Income-Taxes/qt/Tax-Rates-For-The-2012-Tax-Year.htm



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Response to Swede Atlanta (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:38 PM

7. Some jobs we are better off without.

For instance - is it really worth thousands of jobs in order to create new and more expensive ways to kill people in other countries?

Another example - the current war on drugs has created quite a few jobs - but is it really worth it?

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Response to Ian62 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:39 PM

9. I agree with most of your proposals...

...but not these:

"Stop ALL foreign aid.

Stop ALL corporate welfare and subsidies."

We should not stop foreign aid, other countries do it and so should we. In fact we use less of our budget for this purpose than many other countries.

As for corporate welfare, sure, stop that. But subsidies? That does not seem feasible nor wise to me. There are certainly some that are not justified, and sometimes they get cemented into policy long after they have outlived their usefulness. But subsidies are a very useful governmental tool and can help us to keep certain segments of our country working well, such as agriculture. (not that there are no problems in agriculture, and not that some subsidies no longer make sense. but it is in our national interest to make sure that this segment is robust and subsidies help to do this)

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Response to Ian62 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:35 PM

10. Whenever any money is spent on weapons,

we must remember that the most deadly attack on US soil was carried out by 19 guys with box cutters.

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Response to Ian62 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:39 PM

11. your numbers are not close to reality

 

cite on the 2012 defense spending of $1.2 trillion? Then you double count stuff after that. Fail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:38 AM

13. 2012 "defense" spending is $1,219bn

 

The cost of maintaining America's nuclear weapons is booked to the Dept of ENERGY. Huh?

The increased cost of Veteran's pensions due to the wars are booked to the SSA.

The costs of medical care for Veterans is booked somewhere else again.

All sorts of things are excluded from the official defense spending numbers.

The government does NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW what they are really spending.

http://archive.truthout.org/the-real-us-national-security-budget-the-figure-no-one-wants-you-see68127

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