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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:45 PM

Notice that Social Conservatism is being discredited?

David Frum, Karen whatshername, the head of the Southern Baptist Convention himself have, among many others, acknowledged that America has rejected the extremism of fundamentalist Protestant and conservative Catholic belief.

Live how you will, but don't pretend you have the right to tell the rest of us how to live based upon your beliefs. That's what Americans told the Republican Party.

Frum is telling social conservatives to move from their current objective to deny homosexual and women's rights to economic populism of some sort. This is diametrically opposed to the Republican Party's entire reason for being... so, if the social issues are not going to work as an issue - why should economic populists stay with the party that has traditionally opposed labor rights?

Karen whatshername and others are just saying "Shut up, don't say what you really think." - but we've had more than enough years to see what social conservatives really think. If you have to lie to get elected... well, I guess that makes you the modern Republican Party.

Democrats need to heed the changes in the wind too, in terms of economic justice and tax rates and the rest. Wall Street got their bail out. It's time to invest in America.

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Reply Notice that Social Conservatism is being discredited? (Original post)
RainDog Nov 2012 OP
Horse with no Name Nov 2012 #1
Scuba Nov 2012 #2
RainDog Nov 2012 #4
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #8
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #3
RainDog Nov 2012 #5
Bake Nov 2012 #6
RainDog Nov 2012 #7

Response to RainDog (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:49 PM

1. That is what they are publicly saying

Privately who knows?

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:51 PM

2. Social conservatism discredited while economic "conservatism" carefully protected ...

... they'll blame 100% of their failures on anything EXCEPT the banksters.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:22 PM

4. Yeah. The Republican Party is stating its real values

which are all about denying the social contract of a citizen in a nation.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:11 PM

8. +1

 

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:10 PM

3. They're going after the Latino and Black vote for 2014 and 2016.

They don't give a damn about them, but they need their votes to win elections in the upcoming midterm and presidential elections if they ever want to win back power.

They know, according to their research, that Blacks are pretty conservative when it comes to social issues, and so are Latinos. They're hoping to siphon off just enough of them into their party so they can continue to disenfranchise them while catering to their corporate masters.

That's what this is about. At their core, they haven't changed ONE iota. It's just all about repackaging (complete with bows and ribbons) and remarketing the badly damaged Republican brand.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:23 PM

5. agreed

I hope they wander in the wilderness for many election cycles to come until the nation has become so "liberal" that the pendulum will have a long way to go to get back to the bad ole days of Reagan.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:52 PM

6. Heard Al Mohler on NPR last week

He's the President of Southern Baptist Seminary, and was talking about the defeats handed to the Religious Right. He said, essentially, they got their asses kicked.

CAN I GET AN "AMEN?"

Mohler was followed by another theolog who opined that the Fundies' days as "kingmaker" (if they were ever really there) are OVER.

BROTHERS AND SISTERS, CAN I GET AN "AMEN?"



Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:54 PM

7. rAmen! n/t

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