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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:05 PM

tinfoil? Is it possible that Benghazi was a false flag op?

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Is it possible that the whole matter was an op intended to destroy Obama's chances? As the onion is peeled and ever more questions are raised, can we say with certainty that the attack itself wasn't instigated as part of a plot to change an election?

It's nearly time for a special prosecutor and the seizing of emails and computers. Yes, I'm talking about Cantor too.

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Reply tinfoil? Is it possible that Benghazi was a false flag op? (Original post)
grasswire Nov 2012 OP
quinnox Nov 2012 #1
The Magistrate Nov 2012 #2
MineralMan Nov 2012 #3
Whisp Nov 2012 #21
MineralMan Nov 2012 #22
Autumn Nov 2012 #24
MineralMan Nov 2012 #33
Autumn Nov 2012 #35
grasswire Nov 2012 #41
demhottie Nov 2012 #4
MineralMan Nov 2012 #15
demhottie Nov 2012 #39
MineralMan Nov 2012 #43
demhottie Nov 2012 #45
longship Nov 2012 #5
MineralMan Nov 2012 #16
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #6
K8-EEE Nov 2012 #8
Squinch Nov 2012 #9
railsback Nov 2012 #10
MineralMan Nov 2012 #17
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #25
Whisp Nov 2012 #23
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #27
Whisp Nov 2012 #28
nc4bo Nov 2012 #29
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #30
Z_I_Peevey Nov 2012 #31
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #32
The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #7
Tsiyu Nov 2012 #11
The Straight Story Nov 2012 #12
Autumn Nov 2012 #26
Blue Meany Nov 2012 #13
geek tragedy Nov 2012 #14
kurt_cagle Nov 2012 #37
randome Nov 2012 #18
MineralMan Nov 2012 #20
Whisp Nov 2012 #19
BainsBane Nov 2012 #34
kurt_cagle Nov 2012 #36
Skidmore Nov 2012 #38
backscatter712 Nov 2012 #40
AntiFascist Nov 2012 #42
klyon Nov 2012 #44

Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:06 PM

1. (facepalm)

 

And its also possible we never landed on the moon too.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:09 PM

2. Second That, Sir

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:10 PM

3. Do you have any information at all that leads you in that direction?

Sounds like pure creative speculation to me. If you have any concrete information that points that way, please post it so we can look into it. Otherwise, I'm afraid I'll have to ignore this until some facts are available.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:29 PM

21. of course it's pure speculation, there's been a lot of pure speculation here about practically

everything, over the years....

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Response to Whisp (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:30 PM

22. Yes, there has. More's the pity.

Facts work ever so much better than speculation, as we've seen...over the years....

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:33 PM

24. If we wait till the facts come out to discuss this

might as well close the door on discussion forums.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:22 PM

33. I can't stop anyone from discussing anything,

and wouldn't if I could. Please speculate to your heart's content. You won't mind, though, if I join in and say this seems like a stupid speculation, right?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:33 PM

35. I agree, all of this seems like stupid speculation.

We really won't know anything until they decide on a special prosecutor, if they do. But since the media is going to dip it out, people are going to speculate.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:22 PM

41. that's why I used question marks and the word "tinfoil"


I was thinking back to the "two-bit burglary" that nearly blew this country apart with a coverup that nearly succeeded.

One tiny question of logic; one flaw in a timeline, and there we go.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:10 PM

4. I second the special prosecutor- but I would wait bc



I have a feeling this is going to be bigger than Watergate

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Response to demhottie (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:06 PM

15. You have a feeling? What basis do you have for that feeling?

Do you have lots of experience with government operations? Do you have some knowledge you'd like to share with us? Why do you have that feeling? See, we don't know you very well, so we have no basis on which to judge your feeling.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:06 PM

39. Then ignore me please

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Response to demhottie (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:57 PM

43. I don't use the Ignore feature on DU.

I don't want to miss a thing.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #43)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:52 PM

45. I didn't mean by using the feature

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:11 PM

5. I think it was our lizard alien overlords.

You know the ones... They're all invisible but I am sure that everybody knows that they alone control the world.

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Response to longship (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:07 PM

16. Well, that's settled, then...

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:14 PM

6. I have been suspicious of it from the start--the day it happened

(Sept. 11--REALLY? That's so GOP). The fact that Romney and the GOP jumped on it while the event was still unfolding. The delighted smile Romney had at his presser--like he had been handed a gift. The fact that he'd said at the "47% donor meeting" that he would take advantage of an opportunity like Carter's hostage crisis. The fact that the FBI has leakers running to the GOP. The "mob" and the terrorist strike happening at the same place, at the same time.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:25 PM

8. Me too! Romney was positively gleeful as we were getting attacked

And the Fox crew seemed to have their "troubling" concerns script all typed up in the middle of the confusion. No facepalm from me!

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:39 PM

9. That smile WAS the personification of evil, now that you mention it.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:48 PM

10. Yes, that was very strange

 

As if they knew exactly what was happening beforehand.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:21 PM

17. Not so odd. They saw it as something that could be played

as embarrassing to the administration. Since they had bupkis else to play, they decided that would be their hand. They blew it. Then, at the second debate, Obama laid Romney out with his "Please proceed, Governor" line. They took a shot and lost. Pure politics and failed campaign strategy. No other explanation is needed for that.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:35 PM

25. They did more than exploit it. The reaction to the events was

too swift. Romney and his people are idiots, but I find it hard to believe they would jump on an international incident that was still unfolding, UNLESS they thought they already knew the nature of the incident. Most campaigns know better and would be very cautious and wait to see what shakes out. The Romney team really thought they had a sure thing, even before it was known how the ambassador had died, or where he had been taken, or that other personnel had also died. I remember him proclaiming (erroneously) that Obama had "apologized" for the film--they had a narrative, and thought they had an event that fit that narrative before the facts fully came out. Why?

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:31 PM

23. romney having that presser that evening

that stuck out like a huge sore magenta thumb, for some reason.

I still don't know what that reason is but it might have something to do with, you know...

Romney being a fucking dishonest liar about some things that we don't even know about yet?

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Response to Whisp (Reply #23)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:40 PM

27. If his campaign had had two collective brain cells to rub together,

they would never have let him comment on the situation beyond "we are very sorry/deeply troubled by (yada yada) and our thoughts are with the families (yada yada)." Why were they SO SURE that Obama had done something wrong, or had reacted inappropriately, within 24 hours of the attack/mob?

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:46 PM

28. that is a great question you ask.

a very reasonable one.

but be prepared for attack, you aren't supposed to 'go there' or else you don't believe the moon landing every happened.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #23)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:48 PM

29. ^^This. That press conference was one of the more bizarre things I've seen

the timing was suspicious, Romney's little speech, the smirk on his smug face as he left the stage was just incredibly odd.

Add all that with the RW's subsequent and continuous effort to make this into a huge conspiracy within the Obama Administration just reeks.

It's the timing and the ferocity with which Romney attacked that was incredibly disturbing. It's almost like he was "in on it" in some way.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:55 PM

30. He had ZERO foreign policy experience, zero knowledge of what

was happening over there (if you assume he was just hearing it in the news reports) and wasn't yet receiving intelligence briefings, IIRC. Why did he repeatedly comment on it, even more than Obama and Hillary? Even BEFORE Obama and Hillary? Very strange. I remember people on DU saying, "WHY is Mitt Romney doing a presser on this?"

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #30)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:58 PM

31. Yes, I seem to recall that others in the GOP kept trying to shut him up

but he was determined to go there. And go there. And go there some more.

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Response to Z_I_Peevey (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:12 PM

32. Yup. The GOP in Congress were mostly silent--even Paul Ryan--for

at least a few days. Just Romney out there, wayyy overdoing it.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:15 PM

7. As we know anything is possible. It didn't work so that gives it more credence. Still I think its

just another thread the Republicans are pulling on to see if our sweater unravels. We will see if it leads anywhere. It doesn't seem as it will go to our Pres.. It may go back to Petraeus.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:49 PM

11. On the one hand

as much hay as FOX et al tried to make off the attack, it sure does appear they wanted to squeeze every last drop out of it. It had real meaning for them the way no similar or even worse attacks have, so there was definitely an agenda being sold so relentlessly.

It would take more than that coincidence to convince me, but I have no doubts there are some people who would be eager to do such a thing for their "team."





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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:53 PM

12. 7 embassies attacked, 31 dead under bush

Anyone remember the names of any of them or those that died?

Didn't think so.

And where was fox/drudge/rush/etc back then????

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:37 PM

26. They were waiting for the facts to come out. No point in

discussing it till we have the facts, otherwise it's all speculation They are coming out, any day now. Any day now.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:05 PM

13. It doesn't make sense as a false flag operation, IMO

Who would have conducted it? The Republicans just are not competent enough to pull something like that off--and think of the consequences, if they got caught. It is by no means clear that senior intelligence officials had/have a preference for Romney, and it is hard to imagine them killing of CIA operatives in a false flag operation.

However, it has become crystal clear that the Republicans put their party above their country. They are willing--indeed, eager--to exploit for political advantage any kind of mishaps even if they damage national security in the process. They have clearly done that in this instance. They clearly see politics as civil war by other means, and are willing to do just about anything short developing a popular message to win.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:06 PM

14. No, put down the tinfoil. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:54 PM

37. But you can make so many pretty hats out of tinfoil!

Just saying.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:26 PM

18. It was Sasquatch.

With a candlestick.

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Response to randome (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:29 PM

20. Damn! You weren't supposed to figure that out.

The CIA secretly flew their trained Sasquatch to the middle east, then snuck him into Libya, where he killed the Ambassador, disguised as Osama Bin Laden. Now it's all catching up with them, and there will be hell to pay.

BTW, and don't tell anyone, but they terminated the Sasquatch to prevent any leaks. All very hush-hush, you see...

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:28 PM

19. you will catch heck for this but

I love conspiracy theory talk - it's very entertaining and some of it may actually be true! *gasp! like never has there ever been secret meetings and plans to conspire in illegal ways against another person or group. lolz. Iraq war was an honest war then, right?

it's like blue skying or green lighting in advertising. Some amazing things are stumbled upon if you are free to speak.


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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:24 PM

34. It did occur to me that Rove was behind the video

but absent evidence I see no reason to believe that or your theory. Anyway, it didn't work.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:50 PM

36. You know, I think following this through to its end MIGHT prove enlightening

Benghazi has been weird from the beginning, from the moment that a bunch of CIA operatives showed up unexpectedly at the Libya airport after the attack, and it has been getting weirder ever since. And the connection with the Republicans is beginning to definitely stink on this.

This may be a good time for Obama to start thinking about housecleaning a lot of the mid-to-senior level appointees from the Bush administration, and maybe finding a good candidate for Director, CIA that doesn't have ties to the Republican party.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:55 PM

38. A plot to change an election is a coup....right?

If this is what happened, Cantor needs to be destroyed politically forever. And, please, great universe, let Rove's and Romney's dirty little fingerprints be all over this.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:08 PM

40. They did it to Carter.

Of course, evidence is lacking, all I've got is suspicion.

But if it turns out there's something to this, I hope everyone involved gets convicted of treason.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:57 PM

42. Look at the greater Middle East situation...


there may be other, more legitimate, false flag situations elsewhere:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/turkey-syria-skirmish-was-it-a-false-flag-unknown-whether-artillery-came-from-rebels-or-government/5307461

And false flag attacks have been planned to bring about regime change in Syria for 50 years (and the neocons planned regime change in Syria 20 years ago.)

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:57 PM

44. I think the black SUV they pulled up in had Texas plates

How many of our consulates or embassies have been attacked since 9/11/01?

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