HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Texas' New Senator Is Abs...
Introducing Discussionist: A new forum by the creators of DU

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:20 AM

Texas' New Senator Is Absolutely Terrified About His State Going Blue

In Ryan Lizza's story in The New Yorker this morning, new Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz worries about the changing electoral landscape — and how it could get even less favorable for the GOP in coming years.

Cruz provides what must be a truly terrifying thought for the Republican Party:

“In not too many years, Texas could switch from being all Republican to all Democrat,” he said. “If that happens, no Republican will ever again win the White House. New York and California are for the foreseeable future unalterably Democrat. If Texas turns bright blue, the Electoral College math is simple. We won’t be talking about Ohio, we won’t be talking about Florida or Virginia, because it won’t matter. If Texas is bright blue, you can’t get to two-seventy electoral votes. The Republican Party would cease to exist. We would become like the Whig Party. Our kids and grandkids would study how this used to be a national political party. ‘They had Conventions, they nominated Presidential candidates. They don’t exist anymore.’”

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/texas-swing-state-blue-election-obama-ted-cruz-2012-11#ixzz2C1fn2TKc


139 replies, 9723 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 139 replies Author Time Post
Reply Texas' New Senator Is Absolutely Terrified About His State Going Blue (Original post)
cali Nov 2012 OP
Chipper Chat Nov 2012 #1
w8liftinglady Nov 2012 #2
LisaL Nov 2012 #7
w8liftinglady Nov 2012 #38
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #115
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #109
LisaL Nov 2012 #113
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #116
malthaussen Nov 2012 #3
The Magistrate Nov 2012 #4
Botany Nov 2012 #5
Hamlette Nov 2012 #61
Dustlawyer Nov 2012 #77
ellisonz Nov 2012 #95
aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2012 #6
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #117
sadbear Nov 2012 #8
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #118
Cicada Nov 2012 #9
sadbear Nov 2012 #13
LisaL Nov 2012 #15
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #20
LisaL Nov 2012 #27
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #28
LisaL Nov 2012 #31
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #44
Auntie Bush Nov 2012 #98
truebluegreen Nov 2012 #45
LisaL Nov 2012 #52
awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #83
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #92
truebluegreen Nov 2012 #102
awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #108
LisaL Nov 2012 #112
truebluegreen Nov 2012 #136
Ter Nov 2012 #121
truebluegreen Nov 2012 #137
James48 Nov 2012 #76
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #119
Chan790 Nov 2012 #36
LisaL Nov 2012 #43
ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2012 #33
Texas Lawyer Nov 2012 #56
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #110
Texas Lawyer Nov 2012 #111
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #139
Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #10
truebluegreen Nov 2012 #40
dragonlady Nov 2012 #63
BlueCollar Nov 2012 #66
Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #69
Chellee Nov 2012 #72
FSogol Nov 2012 #11
OffWithTheirHeads Nov 2012 #12
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #120
JaneyVee Nov 2012 #14
Filibuster Harry Nov 2012 #16
truebluegreen Nov 2012 #39
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #122
Filibuster Harry Nov 2012 #138
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #17
txdemsftw Nov 2012 #19
LisaL Nov 2012 #22
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #30
LisaL Nov 2012 #47
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #51
LisaL Nov 2012 #53
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #57
MagickMuffin Nov 2012 #73
Texas Lawyer Nov 2012 #59
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #71
lobointexas Nov 2012 #89
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #94
txdemsftw Nov 2012 #96
Texas Lawyer Nov 2012 #99
txdemsftw Nov 2012 #100
lobointexas Nov 2012 #101
Texas Lawyer Nov 2012 #103
lobointexas Nov 2012 #107
ThomThom Nov 2012 #48
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #55
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #123
txdemsftw Nov 2012 #18
Panasonic Nov 2012 #21
LisaL Nov 2012 #25
sadbear Nov 2012 #46
LisaL Nov 2012 #50
sadbear Nov 2012 #54
smaug Nov 2012 #60
Panasonic Nov 2012 #74
calico1 Nov 2012 #23
Thinkingabout Nov 2012 #24
Avalux Nov 2012 #26
txdemsftw Nov 2012 #29
LisaL Nov 2012 #34
txdemsftw Nov 2012 #37
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #126
txdemsftw Nov 2012 #134
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #125
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #41
truebluegreen Nov 2012 #32
BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #35
99Forever Nov 2012 #42
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #49
Initech Nov 2012 #58
laundry_queen Nov 2012 #62
Doctor_J Nov 2012 #64
EC Nov 2012 #65
Brother Buzz Nov 2012 #67
Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #68
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #127
ChairmanAgnostic Nov 2012 #70
ceile Nov 2012 #75
Roland99 Nov 2012 #78
ffr Nov 2012 #79
valerief Nov 2012 #80
barbtries Nov 2012 #81
awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #82
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #128
awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #130
Swede Atlanta Nov 2012 #84
RedCloud Nov 2012 #85
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #86
easttexaslefty Nov 2012 #87
txdemsftw Nov 2012 #88
sarcasmo Nov 2012 #90
ck4829 Nov 2012 #91
outsideworld Nov 2012 #93
PoliticalBiker Nov 2012 #97
Incitatus Nov 2012 #104
Bucky Nov 2012 #105
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #129
KatyaR Nov 2012 #106
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #114
jsr Nov 2012 #124
diane in sf Nov 2012 #131
Fearless Nov 2012 #132
jmowreader Nov 2012 #133
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #135

Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:24 AM

1. We can only hope.

Let's all move to Texas and turn it blue.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:24 AM

2. Three million Texans voted for Paul Sadler.

He should be scared.... very scared.
Texas is turning blue.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to w8liftinglady (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:27 AM

7. He was still 15 points below Cruz.

Nowhere near being close.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:47 AM

38. True.

which is why we need to work on registering MORE people to vote for the next election cycle.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to w8liftinglady (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:30 PM

115. Exactly. That needs to start now because a midterm is coming up in two years. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to w8liftinglady (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:33 PM

109. And, he's such a cool and bright guy. He would have made an infinitely superior senator than Cruz

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #109)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:21 PM

113. He has the misfortune of being a democratic candidate from TX.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #109)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:32 PM

116. Texas democrats need to get more people registered before 2014 and close the gap by 2016. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:24 AM

3. One can only hope. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:25 AM

4. Sounds Like A Plan, Ma'am

I expect this wretch will assist the 'Blue Texas' project considerably....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:26 AM

5. the demographics are brutal for the GOP

piss off women, blacks, gays, latinos, teachers, environmentalists,
the young, labor, and democrats and not unless you are suppressing and or
manipulating the vote you will be a minor party in the future.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:32 PM

61. interesting stats on Texas:

In fact, if Texas Latinos participated in politics at the same rates they do in other Latino-rich states—California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona—then Texas would already be a swing state. Texas has about the same percentage of Latinos as California. If they had turned out at the same rates as Anglos in 2008, 1.2 million more Latinos would have voted, according to Census figures. McCain beat Obama in Texas by 951,000 votes.

snip

The Democrats have been out of the game for so long in Texas — having not elected anyone to statewide office since 1994 — that the party hasn’t been pouring in the money necessary to build a strong voter turnout effort. They just don’t seem to think the demographics have made matters close enough that it’s worth spending those resources. But are they taking the demographic shift for granted, and not acting as quickly as they should?

If Mike Lux is right, some day in the next decade a bunch of Democratic consultants in Washington will look at Texas’ demographics, nod at each other, and say, “Okay, it’s time.” Lux estimates that it would take “tens of millions” of dollars to pay for the sort of Colorado-style effort that could flip the state. But at some point, he thinks, the national Democrats will decide the reward is worth the money.

http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2012/09/27/when-will-texas-turn-blue-or-purple/

I remember hearing at one point that if you can get someone to vote for your party for three elections in a row you have them for life. Maybe now is the time to drop some coin in Texas ala Deans 50 state solution.

My bet is the GOP will make a huge push to court the Latinos beginning now thinking it is the best was to victory. They can't court women because too many right wing fundies will still want bad abortion laws so being nice to brown people only pisses off racists which they have to do. Here's hoping the GOP is as stupid the next 4 years as they have been this election cycle.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hamlette (Reply #61)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:02 PM

77. I have been saying it for years that the DNC

needs to adopt the 50 state strategy. The Hispanics in Tx are so dirt poor, voting does not seem important. Charismatic Hispanic candidates like the Mayor of San Antonio and his brother could wake them up! By next election we could vote them ALL out! Bring it on!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #77)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:40 PM

95. Amen.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:27 AM

6. GOP backbreaker it that happens

Several sites on the Internet are trying to accomplish just that: http://www.facebook.com/TurnTexasBlue

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:49 PM

117. I got the email address from your link. I will be making contact with that group.

I can't contribute time, but I can contribute money.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:28 AM

8. His days are numbered even before he takes the oath of office.

We can beat him in 2018.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sadbear (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:52 PM

118. Let's hope that he is a full roasted Teanut ala Allen West. Let him grandstand, then get taken out

in six years.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)


Response to Cicada (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:30 AM

13. Uh-oh.

"Cruz is different, flat out brilliant."

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cicada (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:33 AM

15. Well, I really doubt he is worried about TX going blue any time soon.

Considering he won by 15 points.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cicada (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:39 AM

20. Oh, really? Cruz was born in Alberta, Canada. He's not being nominated for POTUS. Ever.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Indpndnt (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:41 AM

27. He was eligible to run for senate.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:43 AM

28. He qualified for the Senate. He'll never qualify for POTUS.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Indpndnt (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:44 AM

31. The rules are not written in stone.

Presumably one can aspire to change them.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:52 AM

44. Yes, that worked well for Ah-nold. And he was the repub rock star.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Indpndnt (Reply #44)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:02 PM

98. And it worked so well forJennifer Granholm

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:52 AM

45. They are pretty close to being written in stone:

it would require a constitutional amendment to change them.

Can you imagine the teabaggers supporting a constitutional amendment in order for an Hispanic to run for President?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to truebluegreen (Reply #45)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:00 PM

52. Since his mother was a US citizen, he might still be eligible even under the current rules.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #52)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:27 PM

83. Was he born on US soil? nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #83)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:14 PM

92. Nope! Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

Game over. Yay!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #83)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:27 PM

102. Born on US soil doesn't matter.

According to the courts, there are two kinds of citizens: natural-born and naturalized. If you are a citizen and didn't have to go through the naturalization process then you are the former.

Children born overseas to American parents, military or ex-pats or whatever, are natural-born, like John McCain. If Cruz' mother was a citizen at the time of his birth, it's likely he is too. At worst, he had the option at the age of 18 to choose American or Canadian citizenship.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to truebluegreen (Reply #102)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:54 PM

108. Yeah, I just refreshed my memory...

I cannot find any info on whether his father was a citizen in 1970. He fled Cuba in 57, but that is all I can find.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to truebluegreen (Reply #102)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:19 PM

112. There might be some debate, but he probably isn't disqualified from being president, since

his mother was a US citizen.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #112)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:22 AM

136. Yes, assuming his mother hadn't given up her citizenship.

And it doesn't have to be both parents: Obama would have been an American citizen even if he had been born in Kenya, because his mother was. Again, at worst, at 18 he could choose (silly teabaggers, eh?).

BTW, George Romney would NOT have been eligible for the presidency, because his forebears DID renounce their citizenship when they fled to Mexico to avoid anti-poligamy laws (there's still a bunch of Romneys down there, along with others).

Romney was of course eligible regardless of his fathers' status, because he was born in Michigan, where the trees are the right height. Edited to add: Think of him as an anchor baby!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to truebluegreen (Reply #102)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:04 AM

121. It has never been addressed regarding the presidency

 

To me, it's clear. You have to be born in the US, and even if you are, at least one parent must be born here too. So Rubio can't run either.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ter (Reply #121)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:27 AM

137. Not correct.

It has never been specifically addressed regarding the presidency because it didn't need to be. The courts don't make rulings for the fun of it, and all previous case law and precedent backs up what I said.

And one parent does NOT have to be born here--aren't you familiar with the (lovely)(reich-wing) term "Anchor Baby?"

If you are born here, you are a citizen, period.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to truebluegreen (Reply #45)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:00 PM

76. a Canadian-born Hispanic

Wait- don't the Canadians have national health care?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:55 PM

119. They can be changed only by Constitutional Amendment. That takes decades. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:47 AM

36. Running for the US Senate has a lower requirement standard than the Presidency.

- At least 30 years of age
- A citizen of the US for at least 9 years
- A resident of the state your representing

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_requirements_to_run_for_the_US_Senate#ixzz2C1mThbKC

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Chan790 (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:51 AM

43. I know all that.

But there was even talk about Arnold S. running for president some years ago. Maybe Cruz thinks the rules can be changed.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cicada (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:45 AM

33. Cruz is an idiot. And it was the idiot faction of the

Texas population that elected his idiot ass.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:06 PM

56. Cruz is NOT an idiot. He is immoral, he's spiteful, and he's bigoted, but he's not stupid.Your worst

nightmare is Cruz on the SCOTUS, which is his goal (not POTUS, an office for which he is ineligible).

Cruz is a clever bastard with despicably selfish values. He's Paul Ryan with a law degree and the cunning to abuse it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Texas Lawyer (Reply #56)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:35 PM

110. I disagree, but they are not mutually exclusive. He is an idiot. Sadler smushed Cruz in debate

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #110)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:17 PM

111. At Princeton, Cruz was a national champion debater. He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law

School, where he was an editor of the Harvard Law Review, the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, and the Harvard Latino Law Review. After law school, Cruz clerked for the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals and the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, where he was the first Hispanic ever to clerk for any Chief Justice in the history of the SCOTUS. Cruz was also the first Hispanic Solicitor General in Texas, the youngest Solicitor General in the United States, and he served for the longest period of time as Solicitor in Texas history. He has had a very successful legal career (winning tough cases you and I wish he had lost).

You may call him an idiot if it makes you feel comfortable to pin that label on him, but he is not stupid by any conventional definition of the word, and I would question the wisdom of underestimating your enemy's strengths.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Texas Lawyer (Reply #111)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:49 PM

139. That's quite a resume, I agree. I am basing my opinion on how unintelligent he was during the

debate with Sadler. He has very bad ideas and he couldn't defend them at all. This struck me as stupid no to prepare by coming up with a defense.

But, point well taken

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:29 AM

10. Time to drop the Elephant as the symbol of the GOP and use this instead.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:49 AM

40. That's good!

I like the dinosaur logo too

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:34 PM

63. Something about this bird's face

reminds me of Paul Ryan. Anybody else see it?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dragonlady (Reply #63)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:50 PM

66. it's the beady little eyes....n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BlueCollar (Reply #66)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:59 PM

69. Also the hairline ... err, featherline.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dragonlady (Reply #63)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:22 PM

72. I think it's the beady, souless eyes.

nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:29 AM

11. LOL: Isn't Cruz the guy that thinks Obama & the UN are trying to ban golf?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:30 AM

12. And we are working real hard on Arizona too. Real close this year.

Maybe even closer if they ever finish counting the votes.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to OffWithTheirHeads (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:02 AM

120. Carmona may in fact win the Senate seat. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:31 AM

14. Fingers crossed!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:33 AM

16. Arizona too?

GOP may have a problem with Arizona too. It could turn sooner than Texas.
Interesting to see just how soon these states could be in play.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Filibuster Harry (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:48 AM

39. Any word on the vote count there in Arizona

and the massive number of provisional ballots? I bet Arizona is already purple.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Filibuster Harry (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:06 AM

122. I think Arizona will turn blue in 2016 and stay that way. The state has a rising Hispanic AND

Asian populations and has a core of liberal/moderate Whites that is sizable. Arizona could very well end up with a democratic US Senator this year once all votes are counted, if that happens, the GOP takes a massive blow with one of it's golden boys losing.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bluestate10 (Reply #122)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:57 PM

138. Another win? Christmas is still here. Wahoo!!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:35 AM

17. Nearly 42% of the votes here went to Obama. Texas WILL go blue in the next decade or so.

Of course, that doesn't fit the narrative of many here at DU who love to tell us to secede. Maybe they should get off their high horses and move to Texas. We'd go blue a lot faster. But that wouldn't be as 'funny' and would require them to actually do something to earn the 38 electoral votes here. I moved here from a very blue state and it is a lot nicer here than there.

For this one and only time, I will agree with Cruz: The republic party will soon be as relevant here as the Whigs.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Indpndnt (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:38 AM

19. Yep!

They only see what they wanna see. Guess in their minds, the majority of us are still riding around on our horses with our guns strapped to our hips.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Indpndnt (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:40 AM

22. Cruz is a tea party republican elected to senate by a huge margin.

I very much doubt he is actually worried about TX turning blue any time soon.
If TX was turning blue, it would not be electing a tea party republican to senate.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:44 AM

30. Whereabouts are you in Texas?

You aren't seeing nearly the same things we are.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Indpndnt (Reply #30)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:54 AM

47. What does that have to do with a price of tea in china?

One would expect to see close margins in a swing state.
In TX, neither Obama nor Sadler came anywhere close.
We are talking about 15 point margins here.
And Cruz is a tea party republican, not a moderate republican.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #47)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:59 AM

51. Because, like I said, you are seeing something much different than the other Texans here.

Your thoughts about Cruz and Dem chances are very interesting. If you do live here, it must be in a deep red county in the back of beyond without a view of trending demographics.

And I'd love to have some tea from China for every time you've said "15 point margin" in this thread.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Indpndnt (Reply #51)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:01 PM

53. And what is it that you are seeing?

How can TX be turning blue any time soon when Obama lost here by a huge margin?
And a tea party republican was elected to senate.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #53)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:11 PM

57. Exactly what everyone has said throughout this entire thread & in the article.

Did you read any of it? Demographics are rapidly changing. There will be a stronger GOTV effort from now on. Some repubs here are finding their own party too extreme. And no, no matter how many times you push it in this thread, nobody is going to change the United States Constitution so Ted Cruz, American mommy or not, can run for POTUS.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #53)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:34 PM

73. Perhaps lil Teddy won by the Latino-Latina population voting for him



Perhaps they did out of name recognition when they voted and saw his name on the ballot and didn't even consider his "teabagger" policies.

I know a woman (latina) here (in Texas) who would have voted for Perry as president (if he would have been the nominee) just because he was from Texas. No other reason. Just because he is from Texas!

Tarrant County is now sending the first African American to the House of Rep's. We still have a long way to go here but we KNOW how important it is to GOTV.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Indpndnt (Reply #51)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:28 PM

59. I don't see Texas turning blue any time soon either. I see a breakthrough (not a sea change) in 2020

when I expect us to win a few statewide offices for the first time since dinosaurs roamed the plains, and -- maybe we will be able to call Texas as a key 50%-50% "swing state" in 2024.

Do you see it happening sooner than that? If so, I'd love to see your data because I wish the swing would come sooner, but I just cannot make a quicker timetable fit with the election data we have.

Look at the actual returns. We are not on the verge of tipping blue. The trend is good, but it is a slow trend. Texas is at least 4 years (and maybe 8 years) behind Arizona, and Arizona is not close to being a swing state yet. Plus, Texas is a big and expensive market to run for office in and so there is a much bigger infrastructural hurdle for us to overcome in Texas than in Arizona.


Texas will turn blue -- just as surely as Nixon's and Reagan's California turned blue -- but it will take quite a few election cycles.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Texas Lawyer (Reply #59)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:07 PM

71. Incremental, not "sea change" is a start. "Go blue" is a process and it will happen.

But that's if, and only if, there is a massive GOTV effort here. Demographics mean nothing without votes. However, I do see up and comers like the Castro brothers stirring up a great deal of interest here. If we can stir up the Dems who feel their votes don't matter much here and add that to a strong GOTV movement, there will be hope by 2022-24.

Agree on Arizona, as well, although I hope we can catch up quickly by avoiding the types of difficulties they are currently experiencing with voting, provisional ballots, and the counting of those votes nearly a week post-election. However, I can see the Texas GOP trying that. If they won't stop redistricting us into pretzels, they aren't about to make voting any easier, either, I'm sure.

I like that line: "Texas will turn blue -- just as surely as Nixon's and Reagan's California turned blue..." Gonna have to steal that!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Indpndnt (Reply #71)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:54 PM

89. Texas also has very low voter turnout!

There are a lot of democratic votes to be had if there was some help from the National Party. If Texas goes blue, game over, so you would think it would be worth the investment.

Even though it's an old article, it has some good information on voting in Texas.

http://goarticles.com/article/Texas-Voters/2017974/

Texas has one of the lowest voter turnout rates in the United States. Since the year 2000 hit it has dropped farther and farther down the list and now ranks fifth to last since the 2008 election.

snip

One of the biggest reason for low voter turnout in the State of Texas goes back mainly to socioeconomic factors. Since Texas has such a high poverty level there are naturally a lot of people who are too worried about money to be concerned with voting. This also contributes to the reason most minorities do not vote in the state of Texas. Since three out of ten people who fall into the minority category in Texas are considered at the poverty level, there is bound to be a decrease in minority voter turnout (Kolsti, 2006). It appears that people who are in poverty do not turn out to vote. This might has something to do with the lack of education among those who sit at the poverty level. In the state of Texas "one of five Texans over the age of twenty-five never graduated from high school (Wlezien, 2003)." People who have not achieved a high school diploma are five times less likely to vote than those who have graduated or at least obtained their GED or high school equivalence. Thus, if Texas has a high percentage of impoverish adults and adults with a limited education, the state becomes more likely to have a low voter turnout rate compared to other states were there is a lower poverty level such as Minnesota, which also has a higher rate of high school graduates (Kolsti, 2006).

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to lobointexas (Reply #89)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:23 PM

94. Exactly! We need the Obama GOTV method to be put to work here!

Just as you said, "If Texas goes blue, game over..." And it is definitely worth the investment. They've laid the groundwork in other states for this election. Now we need them to help with Texas for the next. It may be huge, but with 38 electoral votes, it's worth every penny and effort. And that's just for the presidential race. We need those House seats, too, along with those in the Senate.

Good article, btw. Never saw that one. Thanks!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Indpndnt (Reply #94)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:45 PM

96. Exactly..

and that's the thing...we already know that Dems can win without Texas..but my gosh, we could win EASILY WITH Texas and not have to worry about so many other states and the crap that goes on there.

GOTV people...!! It takes WORK!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Indpndnt (Reply #71)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:02 PM

99. We'll need a massive GOTV effort at first, but once the boulder starts rolling it will pick up speed

and momentum.

We always do much better in presidential election years so 2014 and 2018 are not likely to present our breakthrough election cycles.

The change is slow in coming, so 2016 may be too soon to expect a newly rejuvenated Democratic state party to overcome so many years of Repub political infrastructure.

I really think 2020 will be our big year (with some isolated bellwether victories in the interim foretelling of the big swing that is fast becoming inevitable).

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Texas Lawyer (Reply #99)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:04 PM

100. I agree with you..

I am holding out for 2020 or maybe even 2024...but sooner would be wonderful, but I'm not getting my hopes up TOO much. We need to be realistic, but we need to make a much bigger effort.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Texas Lawyer (Reply #99)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:28 PM

101. I'm not so sure.

Yes it will take a massive effort, and yes it goes against the odds, but if Rick Perry runs for governor again, I think people will mobilize for change. I know a lot of republicans that think Perry made an ass of himself and embarrassed Texas during the primary's. If Julian Castro runs for Governor, I think he can beat him. Also, Castro may be, or is, one of the future stars of the Democratic Party and may hold higher aspirations, ie. the Presidency. I think this would be reason for Obama's team and National Democrats to seriously look at Texas, maybe as soon as 2014. If we could keep the excitement of this election going strong, maybe, just maybe. Look at what happened to the 2004 keynote speaker at the Democratic Convention. It won't be easy, and Democrats will need help but it can be done. The pool of non-voters is bigger here than anywhere else in the country, and 41% voting for President Obama, with no field offices, no advertising, and no visits, is pretty impressive to me, but I may be wrong.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to lobointexas (Reply #101)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:37 PM

103. There were major GOTV efforts in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, McAllen, Corpus Christi, Austin, etc.

While none of these efforts were based on the presidential race, the statewide votes across the whole ballot reflect that we have work to do as illustrated by the votes in 2012:

57.20% - Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan
41.36% - Barack Obama/Joe Biden

56.63% - Ted Cruz
40.45% - Paul Sadler

56.18% - Christi Craddick
39.58% - Dale Henry

53.73% - Nathan Hecht
41.88% - Michele Petty

55.51% - Sharon Keller
41.22% - Keith Hampton


These results are only a marginal improvement (on average) over the statewide results in 2010 (we actually lost ground at the top of the ticker from 2010 to 2012 but we've made some down-ballot progress since then):

54.97% - Rick Perry
42.29% - Bill White

61.78% - David Dewhurst
34.83% - Linda Chavez-Thompson

64.05% - Greg Abbott
33.66% - Barbara Ann Radnofsky

59.87% - Debra Lehrmann
37.26% - Jim Sharp


More troubling is the trend which shows no statewide improvement from 2008 (actually, we have slipped backward a bit since 2008):

55.45% - John McCain/Sarah Palin
43.68% - Barack Obama/Joe Biden

54.82% - John Cornyn
42.83% - Richard J. (Rick) Noriega

52.13% - Michael L. Williams
44.35% - Mark Thompson

51.09% - Dale Wainwright
45.88% - Sam Houston

51.64% - Tom Price
45.53% - Susan Strawn


I would love to share your optimism, but these numbers have a real world significance we would be foolish to ignore. We cannot fix the problem until we diagnose the problem and understand the magnitude of our task.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Texas Lawyer (Reply #103)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:00 PM

107. I agree that it seems impossible in the short term.

I'm only basing my optimism on the potential of new voters, in which Texas has Millions!! Where you said there were massive GOTV efforts, I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, they all went for President Obama. Now if we could have that GOTV in every county, city, and town, we could possibly have the same results. I live in a very red county, and there was literally no GOTV effort. I'm not saying that we could do this overnight, but when it comes to changing a red state to blue, Texas is the number one candidate.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Indpndnt (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:55 AM

48. a couple more summers like the last two and everyone will be leaving Tx

golf courses are already drying up and cattle ranching a thing of the past

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ThomThom (Reply #48)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:04 PM

55. It sure has gotten toasty, hasn't it? And the wildfires were terrifying.

But, then, that's also true in the Midwest this year. Plus, the East Coast just got slammed by Hurricane Sandy. Where would everyone go? If I lived in the NE where I spent the first 25 years of my life, I'd still be without power. No, thanks. This is home.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Indpndnt (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:07 AM

123. Keep fighting. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:35 AM

18. I know a hell of a lot of Republicans in TX,

and most of them are NOT happy with the current party. They find these Repuke pols today even too extreme for THEM, and that is saying a lot since most here are Repubs due to religious views.

If the Republican party keeps on doing what they're doing, they will cease to exist within my lifetime. There will ALWAYS be plenty of bible-thumping assholes in this state, but my generation and younger are changing this state, as well as the Latino and African-Americans...

Texas was blue before and it will be again. Visit the major metro areas here and you will see it is much different than the rednecks living in the rural areas. I cannot wait to see that happen.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:40 AM

21. Then quit and concede the election to Paul Sadler

 

You fucking idiot.

If you are scared of Texas going blue, then why the fuck are you a Latino and a Republican - even worse, A Tea Party fucknut?

Get back to me when you fucking figure it out.



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Panasonic (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:41 AM

25. I am sure he has an agenda to say what he is saying.

Probably presidential aspirations.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #25)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:52 AM

46. President of what?

He was born in Canada.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sadbear (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:59 AM

50. But his mother was a US citizen.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #50)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:04 PM

54. You're putting the birthers in a very tight spot there.



The only difference is that we know, without a shred of doubt, that Cruz WAS NOT born in the U.S.

I can see heads exploding right now.

Hell, I'm with you, LisaL. Cruz SHOULD run for president, if only so that we can see how the birthers react to it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Panasonic (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:32 PM

60. The cynical position

Cruz is a reTHUGlikkklan because he faces less competition as a Latino in that party. This occurred to me because of what I had an African-American repub in college tell me years ago. And no, his name wasn't Clarence :|

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smaug (Reply #60)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:35 PM

74. Guess it wasn't Herman or Michael either

 



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:40 AM

23. And it would be your own fault (GOP). n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:40 AM

24. I would love to have Democrat Texans return to every Congressional seat.

If Cruz holds to his TP ways, he just might be in trouble. The TP is not what the majority of Americans backs. I voted against him and will do so in the future, he does not hold my values.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:41 AM

26. Cruz is a crazy-assed tea partier and it makes me sick he won.

But he's right - Texas WILL be blue in about 10 years or so, if I and every other Dem in this state have anything to do with it!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:44 AM

29. It would certainly help if we didn't have so many

damn Dems here who don't bother to vote because they figure we'll lose anyway.

THAT has to change. We need some more support down here and some better attitudes.

So, for every Dem who bothered to vote..THANK YOU and to all who voted for Cruz...FU.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to txdemsftw (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:46 AM

34. Because they are not encouraged due to absence of any real GOTV in TX.

So they think their vote does not matter.
You have to be self-motivated to vote in TX. If we actually want to turn it blue, democratic party needs to start spending some money and effort here.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:47 AM

37. Agreed..

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to txdemsftw (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:19 AM

126. Some else posted the Facebook link to this email address above, try getting in touch.

Volunteers@turntexasblue2014.com

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bluestate10 (Reply #126)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:29 AM

134. I will..

thanks!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LisaL (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:18 AM

125. Better to start with a grass roots effort. Our national party people are so fucking dense

at seeing opportunity, with the exception of Howard Dean. Dean should be made head of the DNC again, if not Dean then may be the Mayor of Los Angeles will see the importance of putting organizations into Texas, now, today. Arizona, Texas and Florida should be priorities starting today. We must fight in other states like Ohio, Iowa, Virginia and North Carolina too.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to txdemsftw (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:49 AM

41. True, that. ALL of it!

Plus, there really wasn't a lot of info. out there about the Senate race, so there's a good chance folks really didn't know much about their two choices. If one of the Castro brothers decides to run, I can see that changing drastically. We need Obama's GOTV strategy here from now on.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:45 AM

32. His lips to Dog's ears! nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:46 AM

35. Don't worry, Ted, I'm sure they'll change the rules for ya

Newfangled ways to calculate EV's, tossing aside supervisory provisions of the Voting Rights Act, other forms of suppression...it's not over yet!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:50 AM

42. I fail to see the problem with this, Mr Senator.

Maybe then we can crawl out of the 19th Century that bigoted, misogynistic dinosaurs like you want keep us in.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:58 AM

49. from his lips to his god's ears...hopefully.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:19 PM

58. That would be amazing if it happened.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:34 PM

62. He clearly doesn't know how this whole '2 party' thing works.

If that happens - Texas goes bright blue, then the Republicans have to chase the Democrats TO THE LEFT. If the Republicans instead decide to stay tea party wingnut crazy, then yes, they will be left behind. If they moderate their message and get rid of the crazies they have a fighting chance. Idiot.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:46 PM

64. He won a landslide. He's lying as usual

unless by "not too many years" he means 20-25

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:49 PM

65. Wasn't Cruz one of the

no exceptions guys for abortion?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:53 PM

67. One of theses days, one of the Castro brothers is going to lock horns with this ass

And if I was a betting man.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:57 PM

68. FYI, Cruz, you're also in a world of hurt if Florida tips solidly blue.

Gee, my heart just bleeds for you and your party. Who knew that being extremist and constantly sneering at everyone but white male Christians wouldn't be a winning strategy in the long run?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #68)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:25 AM

127. Florida seems to be in that space now. Three of the last four Presidential elections, it went blue

or came close. The democrats winning margins were mush larger than the republican margins. If I remember, Florida went for Clinton at least once.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:02 PM

70. Their Solution: Tax Cuts!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:39 PM

75. That is probably the smartest thing I've ever heard him say.

It will be another decade or so, but we'll get there.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:02 PM

78. And this bad because why???



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:08 PM

79. Senator, we're working on it.



And a bunch of other states too. Montana looks like a possible candidate we'll be looking into as well.



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:08 PM

80. Maybe enough old white Texans will die off before the next election to make it come true. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:14 PM

81. i'll be happy the day

the republic party goes the way of the whigs and the tories and look forward to a more progressive party gaining viability when that occurs. i hope it will happen in my life time.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:23 PM

82. Texas used to be blue...

it will be again

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #82)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:27 AM

128. Yes, when the democratic party still had lots of segregationists in it.

The goal should be to make a modern Texas blue, knowing what it being blue means today.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bluestate10 (Reply #128)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:04 AM

130. If you haven't noticed...

Blue numbers have been increasing the last few election.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:36 PM

84. The only way they can keep that from happening is if......

They recognize that the demographics are changing and they identify those policies or core beliefs that are accessible in the new environment.

For example, I think there are a lot of voters that are concerned about the long term deficit but recognize that in the near-term it is imprudent to reduce expenditures. In fact it might be prudent to increase spending temporarily in the areas of education, job training and infrastructure as well as support for things like loan modifications, etc. At the same time they need to acknowledge that more revenue is needed. Come with an honest and sincere proposal for increasing revenue. Right now that MUST include allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for the very wealthy. That means taxes for the uber-wealthy will increase somewhat. But leave the cuts in place for those people that will actually inject that savings directly into the economy through spending. The uber-wealthy don't create jobs with those cuts. They might buy a slightly larger boat or jet airplane but they don't increase their spending. They spend however they want anyway because of their relative wealth.

then lay out a plan for long-term deficit reduction. That should include a simplification of the tax code but not the "Fair Tax". It should include reducing or eliminating certain deductions. It must include a re-assessment of our national security and defense needs. The national security infrastructure has ballooned. I'm not suggesting an increase in expenditure and a focus on this area wasn't needed but do we need everything? Do we need to listen in on every phone call and read every e-mail? As Obama said in the debate we don't measure our security in the number of ships in the Navy but their capability and adaptation for the current threat environment. We must long-term reduce military spending.

Don't fight the ACA but rather promote those things that were originally conservative proposals. Continue to challenge and seek improvement in those areas that conservatives want. Obama never said there couldn't be changes but the underlying concept of giving everyone ACCESS to affordable health insurance and therefore healthcare is not negotiable.

What about stopping the culture wars? True conservatives want government out of people's personal lives. No one SUPPORTS abortion or wants it. But it should remain legal. Instead of battling so hard against abortion, conservatives could lay out proposals to provide young women with meaningful access to birth control and, in the event of a pregnancy, policies that ensure she and the baby get appropriate pre-natal care, that if she has to take time off from her job after delivery she has reasonable PAID maternity leave. Then ensure that she and the child have access to healthcare, that the child has a decent roof over its head, lives in a safe environment, has adequate food. Then that the child gets a decent "basic" education to position him/her for success. Give them a means to get higher education or job training. The list goes on and on.

Don't fight women's healthcare. Don't try to dictate what a gay man or lesbian can or cannot do. Support marriage equality and non-discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Stop demeaning immigrants and non-whites. The demographics are changing. Come forward with meaningful proposals for dealing with our immigration challenges, not just "self-deportation".

Stop supporting the wealthy and Wall Street, carte blanche, a la Ayn Rand. They plan an important role in our economy but it cannot all be Wall Street and not Main Street.

Help American companies invest in R&D and to compete on the global stage.

Stop denigrating anyone that is not a "Christian" in your own view.

Okay..I'll stop ranting but the point is the party will NOT survive if it holds to its current Caucasian, patriarchal, Ayn-Randian policies. The populace has moved beyond that.

Even as a Democrat I would welcome them evolving over time. A democracy needs engagement between parties. One-party rule is disastrous. Even a small country like Sweden has 8 political parties represented in the Parliament.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:16 PM

85. And let's get Georgia and Arkansas back too!

Texas was blue before!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:23 PM

86. Drama

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:23 PM

87. Can't wait!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:29 PM

88. I just have to say once again..

if the Dems would spend some damn money in this state to GOTV, we'd be in a lot better shape.

I agree with one of the posts above...we have a lot of latinos here who don't vote who could really tip the scale in our favor. We can't expect miracles to happen if no effort is being given.

Our cities here are diverse and there are a lot of people here who are sick of what we have now. We need to start by getting Rick Perry's bible-thumping ass out, elect more Dems in local/state offices, and get more Dems in Washington. That starts by GOTV and we need help with that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:56 PM

90. Ted, welcome to the new America.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:59 PM

91. Well alright then, we know what priority #1 is now...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:15 PM

93. From your lips to Gods ears n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:47 PM

97. LOLOLOLOL!!!

The republicrat party needs to go the way of the Whigs anyway... and the Do-Do and the T-Rex and the Mastadon and the.... well you get the picture.

Republicrats are terrorists. Their actions paint them as terrorists. Their words paint them as terrorists.

I remember when Imus was expelled from radio for making a disparaging remark about a black womens basketball team.
With what Rush the Limburger says every day, why is he still around?

Republicrats are terrorists

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to PoliticalBiker (Reply #97)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:37 PM

104. +1

You know how sometimes the last post in a thread was almost exactly what you wanted to say? The first part, anyway. Although I completely agree with the rest.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:43 PM

105. More Republican skills at reading polling & demographic data.

Texas Dems, I'm sorry to say, are at least a dozen years away from being competitive on the statewide ballot. Unless the GOP has some game-changing meltdown, they own this place. Like Kenyan birth certificates, a socialized economy, UN blue helmets, secret black helicopters, and gun confiscations, the Republicans now continue their unbroken title of Best at Worrying About Shit that Won't Ever Happen.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bucky (Reply #105)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:33 AM

129. Texas need to find democrats that have balls, like Ann Richards, even though she was a woman.

The Castro brothers look good, if they stay clean, which will be hard with money being thrown at them. I would like to see one of them take on Cruz, or before than Corzine. More importantly, the Castro brothers are inspiring lots of starry eyed Texas children of all races and ethnic groups to think progressive and big.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:48 PM

106. Oh, waaaaah.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:27 PM

114. The problem is that the republican party nominates clowns that have diverse faces,

like Allen West of Florida, Scott of South Carolina, Cruz of Texas, female candidates from deep red states, Rubio of Florida. You can get knifed by a person that don't look like you or knifed by a person that does look like you, you get knifed regardless.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:11 AM

124. Texas Hispanics HATE that Cuban carpetbagger.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:59 AM

131. Sounds good to me.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:15 AM

132. 41% of Texas voted Democratic (for the president)

Just 9 more percent and we're there. Perhaps 2016? Definitely 2020 based on population trends and the reliability of the Latino population to tend Democratic.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:29 AM

133. He says that like it's a bad thing!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:46 AM

135. One party rule is ALWAYS bad for any country.

The Whigs died as a party and the Republican Party was born. If the Republican Party dies, the leftovers will unite with a faction of the Democratic Party and form a new party that will be viable. I will no make any attempt to speculate on what their uniting issues may be.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread