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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:40 AM

KRUGMAN: We aren’t the “center-right” country of (The News Media/GOP) fantasy


November 11, 2012, 5:58 PM28 Comments
Organization
James Fallows says something I’ve been thinking, too:

For the first time in my conscious life, the Democratic party is now more organized and coherent, and less fractious and back-biting, than the Republicans. It is almost stupefying to imagine that.



........ the Democrats now look like the natural party of government. Bush had already established a reputation for being unable to get anything right in the actual business of governing; all that was supposedly left was political prowess, and now that’s gone too. And even the news media have, I think, begun to notice that we aren’t the “center-right” country of fantasy, we’re a diverse nation, ethnically and otherwise, in which a lot of liberal ideas have become perfectly mainstream.

Still, hubris and all that: this newly effective coalition could be shattered if taken for granted. And you know what could really produce the kind of dispirited base that was supposed to doom Obama in 2012? A sellout on key Democratic values as part of a Grand Bargain. If, say, Obama raises the retirement age in return for vague promises on revenue (promises that would be betrayed at the first opportunity); if he appoints a deficit scold to a major economic post; it could all fall apart.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/organization/

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Reply KRUGMAN: We aren’t the “center-right” country of (The News Media/GOP) fantasy (Original post)
kpete Nov 2012 OP
ananda Nov 2012 #1
myrna minx Nov 2012 #2
closeupready Nov 2012 #3
savannah43 Nov 2012 #8
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #15
reformist2 Nov 2012 #26
intheflow Nov 2012 #4
DetlefK Nov 2012 #5
coldbeer Nov 2012 #6
Hutzpa Nov 2012 #7
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #19
John2 Nov 2012 #9
RC Nov 2012 #14
femrap Nov 2012 #16
zentrum Nov 2012 #10
femrap Nov 2012 #17
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #20
AzDar Nov 2012 #11
UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #12
redqueen Nov 2012 #13
Zorra Nov 2012 #18
quinnox Nov 2012 #21
wiggs Nov 2012 #22
Autumn Nov 2012 #23
DCKit Nov 2012 #24
Pachamama Nov 2012 #25
Skittles Nov 2012 #27

Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:43 AM

1. Kick for truth!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:48 AM

2. K&R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:10 AM

3. GOP-shill Peggy Noonan tried, yet again, to brainwash

her readers, writing a campaign post-mortem on the explicit assumption that the US is a 'center-right' country - even though the United States was born out of a violent revolution. Gotta love how they always overlook that little fact. I am not saying that violent revolution is the way to go, please note; just saying that it is 100% false to claim or imply that the US is center-right. It is both historically and currently liberal.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:28 AM

8. Noonan is just a cheerleader for the far right.

Why would anyone who can think pay attention to anything she states?

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Response to savannah43 (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:21 PM

15. Why would anyone who can think pay attention to anything she states?

I haven't listened to her prattling since she chided Clinton for "not recognizing" that god, himself, had sent dolphins to help Elias Gonzalez make it to America.

Jesus on toast, what a bunch of mush! And this specimen wrote speeches for the so called "Great Communicator"?????

The whole talking head circuit of right wing and right leaning talk shows are a bunch of has-beens and total failures. I mean, they "interview" Dennis Miller on Fox News fer Christ sake!

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Response to closeupready (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:21 PM

26. Peggy's time has come and gone. Time for her to retire!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:11 AM

4. Seriously! If I hear people say that we're a center-right or even a center country one more time

I'm going to scream. We The People are firmly on the left. Our government stubbornly persists in staying quite right of center.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:40 AM

5. So, if Obama just won reelection in an essentially center-right country...

Doesn't that make him a center-right politician, just like a good republican should be?

And wouldn't it make sense for the GOP to become center-righterer? (Yes, that's a word. Because I said so.)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:03 AM

6. we’re a diverse nation, ethnically and otherwise

and we are drifting to atheism because we
have no choice. Ain't politicians liars by definition?
When you investigate Christianity you realize that
we preachers are liars. Let's pay taxes and educate
our children.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:07 AM

7. Read my lips: NO MORE COMPROMISE

compromise got thrown out the window when republicans spits at the face of the president eery chance they get. We will begin to see how the president plans to govern by his nominations.


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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:41 PM

19. NO MORE COMPROMISE

But wouldn't that just make us "them"?

It's not "no compromise" .... it's "well, if you guys aren't gonna govern, we will."

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:30 AM

9. Yeah

 

I think President Obama needs to pay more heed to the people that elected him instead of back stabbing leaders in the Democratic party that want to throw them under the bus once they get our votes.

I just got through listening to Ed Rendell's comments on TV. He is encouraging President Obama to consult Business on this Fiscal Cliff. I think the President is best served to get the Labor Unions at the table too, so we want get raped.

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Response to John2 (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:07 PM

14. You forgot the "again" on the end of your last sentence.

 

Obama does need to start paying more attention to "We the people..." than to Wall Street and the "to big to fail" corporations that are failing this nation.

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Response to John2 (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:32 PM

16. One sign

 

of 'compromise' willl be in the Cabinet appointees. And if Erskine Bowles is nominated for anything, I will scream to high heaven. He has been mentioned as a possibility.

Why can't he appoint someone for Treasury who has NOT worked at the Fed/Goldman Sachs? How about Krugman? How about any Economist who understands MONEY?

And btw, Obama has just as much a MANDATE as W did.

Tax the Rich until their eyes bleed!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:34 AM

10. Write Obama. Call the WH.

Make him know and feel our opposition to being dragged back to compromise.

Don't just post here. Post to Obama.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:37 PM

17. I did that last week...

 

asking him to tax the rich and I got a very nice email reply on fancy WH email paper!!!!

First response I ever got. I'm saving it!

And if anyone has a Repugnant Congresscritter or Senator, write them as well. In fact, I'm doing a 3-prong approach:

1. Email (which is the worst way imho), but I do it.

2. Phone them

3. Snail mail to the WH, but for the House and Senate, send to their HOME office. It gets there quicker and is taken more seriously by the locals who work in those offices. Print out your email and mail it. Sometimes I put glitter in it to get their attention. Or confetti. Or both, if I'm in a bad mood. I'm crafty.


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Response to zentrum (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:48 PM

20. Write Obama. Call the WH.

I think I will.

I want Obama to ask GOP leaders whom they serve. Their citizens? or one citizen: Grover Norquist. Does his pledge override their pledge to the country? Does an oath to The Family trump their oath of office?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:41 AM

11. Abso-freakin'-lutely!

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:02 PM

12. +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:02 PM

13. "A sellout on key Democratic values as part of a Grand Bargain" would certainly blow it.

I have a sad suspicion that they may try some kind of "But midterms! Gotta be moderate for the midterms!" bullshit.... but no. That's a lie.

Because when they say "moderate" they mean "right wing" and the only thing that will help in the midterms is if we stick to those core liberal issues like Warren did.

Any pandering to the illusory "center" is asking to lose the house, and more.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:38 PM

18. Paul Krugman would do wonderful things as US Treasury Secretary.

Bravo!



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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:49 PM

21. Obama needs to put Krugman in charge of fiscal policy

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:56 PM

22. it's been evident for a long time that the public supports the dem positions on ISSUES,

but that the gop poisoned and polarized discourse so much that the public turns against issues IF CONNECTED WITH DEMS OR THE PRESIDENT.

The public option had 71% approval before the gop pissed all over it and Obama. Most of the ACA provisions have wide support. Likewise, most dem positions have wide support as long as you don't ask respondents to choose political sides on the issues.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:04 PM

23. K/R n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:53 PM

24. "...we’re a diverse nation, ethnically and otherwise..."

 

And somehow, this white guy isn't panicking. I'm surrounded by variously tinted folks with great ideas, and I love those ppl. "Forward", "Move On", let's get on with it.

Hope I live long enough to see the result of this - a shrunken military and more social spending.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:19 PM

25. Lets hope that President Obama and his advisors listen to Krugman at the beginning of this 2nd term

...compared to how they ignored VALUABLE advice at the beginning of last term.

History repeats itself if we dont learn from the mistakes of the past....

President Obama - pay attention to what Paul Krugman is saying here.....very important....

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:29 AM

27. Krugman consistently nails it

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