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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:23 AM

About boycotts of Papa Johns, Applebee's, etc. . . .

This Facebook status update makes a VERY important point about this, that you might want to consider before being too quick to jump on a boycott bandwagon...

Status Update
By Right Off A Cliff
There are a lot of liberal pages posting images of companies they should boycott due to the fact they might be cutting jobs or reducing hours after President Obama's victory.

While it's everyone's right to do that, also know that many of these companies, like a Papa John's, are franchises. The employment at these franchise owned locations is determined by the franchise owner, not Papa John's corporate headquarters.

By boycotting these places you hurt the franchise owner, which may have no intention of cutting hours or jobs but may due to a blanket national boycott by some for actions of which they never intended to perform at their particular locations.

In the end many of these boycotts only serve to hurt employees, not the business owners. These owners simply reduce the frequency of raises or actually do cut jobs or hours because of a decline in business.

But again, many of these businesses we've seen listed are often owned by individual franchise owners who directly control employment and pay....not their corporate headquarters.

We're not saying you don't have the right to boycott, we're just saying be aware of blanket statements by liberals that resemble the same blind following that many right-wingers display constantly. Without a view of the bigger overall picture impacted by these actions many risk behaving exactly like those they oppose.

A strength of our side is often the ability to see the larger picture rather than just our own selfish ambitions or desires...please let's keep it that way.


Personally, I think most of these threats are nothing more than a lot of hot air and aren't even worth responding to.

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Reply About boycotts of Papa Johns, Applebee's, etc. . . . (Original post)
markpkessinger Nov 2012 OP
Permanut Nov 2012 #1
Warpy Nov 2012 #2
ChazII Nov 2012 #3
smccarter Nov 2012 #4
DCKit Nov 2012 #12
AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #17
BainsBane Nov 2012 #5
Downwinder Nov 2012 #6
ThatPoetGuy Nov 2012 #7
sadbear Nov 2012 #25
Atman Nov 2012 #8
Coexist Nov 2012 #22
lithiumbomb Nov 2012 #9
IDoMath Nov 2012 #10
Notafraidtoo Nov 2012 #14
atddoug Nov 2012 #27
tyne Nov 2012 #11
Notafraidtoo Nov 2012 #13
Kablooie Nov 2012 #15
EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #16
quinnox Nov 2012 #18
GodlessBiker Nov 2012 #19
aandegoons Nov 2012 #20
Texas Lawyer Nov 2012 #21
vaberella Nov 2012 #23
snooper2 Nov 2012 #24
seabeyond Nov 2012 #26

Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:30 AM

1. Excellent point..

Franchises are quite different from corporate stores. I would bet that not all franchise owners walk in lockstep politically with the corporate line.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:31 AM

2. Right, I think this is correct, franchises are going to be punished

for something that's completely out of the franchise owner's control. About all they can do is buy out the franchise and become independent, something that will improve the quality of the pizza tremendously but is risky financially.

I can't boycott because I can't eat the stuff, anyway. However, I might because I wouldn't want a penny of my money going upstream to that asshole's bank account.

It's a really tough call. I honestly do feel for the franchisees who probably don't like sending a portion of their profits to that asshole, either.

However, this is slightly different from Chik-fil-a. Individual stores have to conform to the religious right's garbage in order to keep their franchises.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:33 AM

3. This is why I plan on checking

the status of my local Papa Johns.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:38 AM

4. A Papa Johns restaurant IS a Papa Johns restaurant

etc.. etc.. etc...

Sorry, but a point needs to be made. Unless Americans are serious about backing American workers from the middle class all the way down to the folks earning less than middle-class wages, we will lose the battle.

If the folks at Papa Johns want to take a stand against the American worker, We Americans need to take a stand against Papa Johns.

I don't know how we would do that except to stop funding their company. By funding I mean purchasing their product.

Don't call Papa Johns when you want a Pizza. It won't take long for the corporate goons to get the drift. They'll reverse their position soon enough and the franchisees will again be in business.

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Response to smccarter (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:07 AM

12. While I agree with you point about harming a local business...

 

every franchise sends money back to that dickhead. If someone sees a need to open a privately owned Mom and Pop pizza place, he gets nothing, and the jobs will still be in the community. It's not as if people don't want pizza. And It's about $4 bucks to make that $12.99 pizza you're paying for - for every topping you add, they're putting on 30% less of the other toppings you've ordered, otherwise the pizza gets soggy. Three toppings, and they've made their investment back, the rest is gravy, and that moron gets a cut.

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Response to smccarter (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:24 AM

17. Agree

Boycott them

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:38 AM

5. I don't eat any of that stuff anyway

Does anyone here actually go to those places? It's all crap.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:42 AM

6. Moot point, Papa John left town over two years ago.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:47 AM

7. Papa John's, Applebees, etc., also have competitors

competitors who aren't publicly trying to harm our children.

Let's support them instead.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:20 AM

25. +1

If a pro-worker business gains market share from an anti-worker business, something positive will happen.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:59 AM

8. Bullshit. Pressure on the franchise sends a message.

The franchisee sends a significant part of his/her income back to Corporate for the privilege of being associated with the national brand. When the brand becomes poison, the franchisees can actually sue the corporation for it's actions because it cost them their livelihood. PJ's taught all these guys how to make pizza and run a pizza joint...they can leave and start their own local joints. Maybe. I'd guess they have non-compete clauses. But I'd also guess there are clauses about the responsibility of the corporation to maintain a positive brand identity.

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Response to Atman (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:00 AM

22. very interesting post.

that would be something else if their own sued them.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:06 AM

9. how about we tip more?

The people caught in the middle here are the wait staff, delivery drivers, cooks, staff, etc. They don't care what the corporate idiots are doing, they're just trying to make a living, and they're the ones that get hurt. Give some extra on the tip and make a small difference. The corporate folks are getting their money anyway.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:07 AM

10. An apologist argument.

 

You can make that argument for any pro-capitalist agenda, and it's a favorite scare-tactic to support trickle-down economics, union-busting corporations, and more. I will boycott, and urge others to do the same.

If you lie down with dogs, don't whine if you get fleas. Franchisees know exactly who they are buying into. The name comes with history, policies and politics.

Yes, some boycotts can lead to financial losses, lost jobs, etc. That's the whole bloody point. When a bad company goes down, other companies get fresh opportunities, and in turn there are fresh opportunities for employees as well. If a Papa John's goes down, customers go elsewhere to buy pizza, and they'll be hiring as demand rises.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:30 AM

14. I agree

This is the cost of change..if he is not boycotted and we don't send a message they will continue to take from their workers with out any penalty..

The one i work for does just that they raise the delivery fee but the drivers don't get any of it ..they claim its the price of insurance but i did the math with the info the owners gave me and they pocket 200k after insurance cost none of which goes to the drivers in fact the delivery fee basicly makes the drivers free to them..many customers think the drivers get the delivery fee and it affects their tips, i avg about 3k less a year now after the delivery fee then i did when there was no delivery fee.

They basicly passed the cost of my own wages on to me and my fellow drivers..

The owner is a monster of a human being,he is a franchisee who yells at people if they don't save paper clips but lives in a five million dollar home,he is constantly lowering the bonuses of his managers making each bonus harder to get with lower compensation..hes cheated managers who earned their bonuses forcing them to look for other jobs cause they were lied to by him and cant survive on the measly wages and no insurance he pays them..


boycott them they deserve it!!

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:24 PM

27. To these "job creators" its heads they win, tails you lose.

They'll take action against the working stiff if Obama is elected, but even if their guy is elected, they'll still cut your pay or outsource your job. They'll take action against the working stiff if Obamacare is enacted, but even if its not, they'll still cut your pay or outsource your job.

Boycotts are the risk you take when you're dumb enough to mix business with politics. Business owners are always free to bitch to their buddies about our President. But when you announce it to the world, you should expect your business to take a hit. It works both ways; if a business owner announces to the world their love of all things Obama, they know there will be a reaction from conservatives that will affect their bottom line.

Boycott Papa Johns and spend your money at a competitor. That increased demand will lead to more hiring at the competitor and they will look for workers with experience in a pizza joint, so they can hire PJ's former employees. If a local PJ franchisee wants to, they can make it known that they don't share the views of their "boss". If they remain independent in business, they'll hold onto their customers.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:07 AM

11. This also brings up a glaring point.

Mr. Papa John stated that he'd have to raise prices because of Obamacare. Well, most of them are franchises(independently owned) and furthermore employee part-timers.

Well, as we all know....only businesses that employ at least 50 employees are affected by Obamacare and part time employees are not included in the (50).

How many Papa John's have 50 full-time employees?

Mr. Papa is a liar.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:13 AM

13. I work at one

I like the boycott and support it ..the owners are the meanest Conservative tea party types i know,i have worked there part time for 5 years and almost no one works over 30 hours anyway..

No one has health insurance, the turn over is really high cause they are really nasty people we can't staff a busy night as is .

This boycott is important cause it sends a message to business that they need to stop treating workers poorly or they will lose market share,if franchises are affected then they will tell papa wtf and shut the fuck up and let us serve everyone not just republicans..

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:44 AM

15. Applebees is owned by DineEquity which also owns IHOP.

As far as I know they don't support any procedural changes due to the election.

But if that's true they'd better speak up and let people know.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:03 AM

16. Wrong...

Franchises have contracts with the corporation and must adhere to certain rules. For example, if your
local McDonalds wanted their female employees to dress in a provocative uniform, it would not comply
with the franchise contract. The Applebee's corporation can make things very uncomfortable or take
legal steps if one owner is causing the other franchises to lose their customer base. So basically your
argument is Bullshit.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:29 AM

18. not a boycott type

 

person. I have ate at Appleby's in the past and like it, and will eat there in the future. Papa Johns pizza always looked unappetizing to me so in a sense I do boycott it, but not for political reasons.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:30 AM

19. All boycotts have the potential to hurt innocent and good people.

I'm sure that many good people were hurt during the boycott of South Africa or the Montgomery Bus Boycott.

But there are larger issues that need to be addressed and boycotts can be very effective to address them.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:48 AM

20. It is time to follow through.

How the heck do we expect out elected leaders to follow through. When we waffle at the slightest inconvenience.

It is time to make citizens united pay.
It is time to send the CEO back to work and get them out of our politics.
It is time for us to have a voice.

And if dollars are the only way to do that then so be it.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:58 AM

21. I will go to my grave without another bite of Papa John's pizza passing my lips. If that hurts

franchise owners who are not in lockstep with the moron at the pinnacle of the pyramid scheme, then then those franchise owners should take that issue up with the jackass at the top their pyramid.

The franchise owners ought to break with the corporate head or suffer the consequences of their co-dependency on a soulless shitheel.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:15 AM

23. Applebee's too huh..they could leave Harlem...we don't need them!! n/t

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:18 AM

24. Papa Johns sucks anyway, crappy crust and nasty sauce...

Domino's or Pizza Hut blow them away regardless-

Even Mr. Jim's but their pizza can suck at times too, of course they are .6 miles away from me so convenience and price is a factor

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:21 AM

26. have cake and eat it too. the point is. these men wanted to immaturing spout their political

position at the cost of employees.

the stupid.

losing the money from customers that are disgusted with their abuse of fellow citizens and the positions they hold.

YES.... their is now money to be lost.

the assholes should have.... really they should have .... taken that into consideration as business men. the possible loss is so over what any extra cost would have been.

they made their political position clear. to hurt america. to hurt the economy. to hurt employees.

they do not get the cake and get to eat it, too.

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