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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:40 PM

 

Cutting SS/Medicare/Medicaid/Food Stamps in deal with Republicans. Yes or No?

Would you accept if Obama cut Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid/Food Stamps, etc
with Republicans in some sort of deal?

Simple Question.

Yes or No

Lets see where DU members stand on this issue


Edit for clarity

Please recommend and kick for importance to see who really supports Democratic values


EDIT again I will NOT accept any cuts whatsoever in these vital programs and those who would accept these cuts to the most vulnerable among us I would like to be exposed publicly

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:42 PM

1. Raise the cap .... yes .............. reduce benefits, raise age ...NO!!

Last edited Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:07 AM - Edit history (1)

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:44 PM

2. Agree

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:05 AM

92. I'm with Angry Dragon - NO cuts! N/T

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:44 PM

3. NO!

eom

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:44 PM

4. Medicaid and Food Stamps under no circumstances. If the 1% tax rates are increased to where they

pay the rate I am taxed at (figuring in payroll taxes to the calculation of my rate) I would be willing to up the age for SS and Medicare by 1 or 2 years. But then I want them means tested.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:46 PM

5. Means testing would eventually be the end of Social Security

Anyone that pays into it should be able to take out of it, no exceptions.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:48 PM

6. No.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:49 PM

7. Hell no!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:49 PM

8. Not just no.......FUCK NO.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:53 PM

14. I concur with the lady that says FUCK NO! n/t

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:08 PM

23. And baby makes three. FUCK NO!!!!!!

nm

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Response to socialist_n_TN (Reply #23)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:21 AM

79. I am with you guys. NO! NYET! F NO!

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:13 PM

29. +100000000

 


They can pay for their own credit card by taxing the looters.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:28 PM

35. That goes for me

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:29 PM

39. I second that!

 

Let them cut some of the billions in black budget spending that no one ever gets to see. How about cutting congress'd inflated retirement checks? Taking the very little they have from the elderly, disabled and poor is disgusting.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:33 PM

44. thank you

 

I will try to post more often in the lounge as well. Sometimes I see shit in GD that makes my blood boil and I have to see where people stand on issues.




for replying

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:48 AM

91. +1,000

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:15 AM

96. AMEN!

n/t

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:17 PM

108. Amen to THAT.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:52 PM

9. HELL FUCKING NO

 

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:52 PM

10. Absolutely not n/t

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:52 PM

12. No. n/t

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:53 PM

13. Not only NO, but FUCK NO. If anything at all, the SS dependents should get a massive COLA increase

 

at the expense of the 1%. Say about 30% increase for the next 5 years until COLA is stabilized.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:53 PM

15. NO!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:54 PM

16. No.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:54 PM

17. NO

food stamps are already a joke

why do we hate the poor so much, what have they ever done to us?

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:44 AM

69. +1

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:56 PM

18. NO

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:59 PM

19. oh and for the record fuck no!

 

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:05 PM

20. No

I voted the way I did to preserve social security, medicare, medicaid, and help for the poor and sick. I am fully aware that we have a deficit issue and feel that we need to invest and spend a bit to get out of this. the top money has been horded by the rich, it was not kept in our country; the very rich who stashed their mountains of money overseas are NOT "patriotic Americans" - tax them. Revenues need to be invested in our roads, our bridges, our environment and our people. Give people a chance to work by creating jobs repairing our country and the money will roll back in. make the rich, who have benefited so much and have become RICHER when the middle and lower economic classes have struggled so much more - make them pay their fair share.

reducing the peoples ability to survive when they become older or sicker or poorer is NOT the way to repair our country.


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Response to AC_Mem (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:33 PM

45. Your post is very well stated; thank you! n/t

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Response to AC_Mem (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:37 PM

48. thank you for your reply

 

very very much

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:06 PM

21. No. Nt

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:08 PM

22. don't want to see it but I do expect to see it

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:09 PM

24. NO DEAL!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:11 PM

25. No!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:11 PM

26. Absolutely no. nt

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:12 PM

27. No, Ma'am: Not Acceptable

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:19 PM

31. Im a Sir, but thank you for the reply just the same

 

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:12 PM

28. Welcome to DU

I didn't notice your arrival 16 days ago.

Here's some history: Lame ass pseudo-progressives and other assorted troll imbeciles have been trying to argue that Obama is going to give away the store on SS and Medicare for two-three years now. Hasn't happened yet, and won't happen.

I do hope that you're neither a lame ass pseudo-progressive or a troll imbecile. I suspect you're a nice person, but, obviously, your very recent joinging of the board might mean that you're not familiar with the history of lame ass pseudo-progressives and troll imbeciles, so I thought I'd fill you in on that history of lame ass pseudo-progressives and troll imbeciles.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:23 PM

34. thanks for your projective insight

 



Im sorry I meant objective insight


but Im not new to politics or message boards. I am new to DU. I asked a simple straight forward question which dozens of other have seemed to answer effortlessly.

Do you perchance have a reply to my question as well?

Yes or No?

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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:37 PM

47. Welcome to DU



I was more interested in showing you how you fit in with a history of dumb posts, but you used the word "perchance," so I'm guessing you're familiar with it.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:41 PM

49. Yes or No?

 

I see your also familiar with the term projection, bravo for you!





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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:22 PM

113. ...poster refuses to answer the question....hmmm

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #113)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:36 PM

116. After reading and responding

 

in many different threads, and getting a feel of what posters are about, I notice a distinct lack of a type of poster in my thread.


This type of poster loves to apologize for repukes, loves Capitalism and profiting off of others, doesn't mind wars, and has a general non-chalant attitude towards right wing hateful sociopaths.

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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #116)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:10 PM

122. Like the dog that didn't bark.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #122)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:12 PM

124. Interesting and informative

 

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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #124)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:24 PM

132. Has anyone answered "yes"?

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Response to PETRUS (Reply #132)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:30 PM

136. a couple so far, with exceptions of course

 


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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #136)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:33 PM

138. Elsewhere...

Other threads are full of people praising the virtue of compromise.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:14 PM

30. Hell NO!!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:20 PM

32. Absolutely not. nt.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:20 PM

33. Never cut any of the above.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:28 PM

36. NO FUCKING WAY


Raise the cap.

/ story

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #36)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:30 PM

42. Ditto...Raise the cap!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:29 PM

37. HELL NO!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:29 PM

38. No to the above, and no changes to the ACA unless it is to move it closer to universal health care.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:29 PM

40. NO.

 

Do not allow them, after stealing our money and giving it to bankers and wall street and an endless war budget, to take more of our money to pay for what they've already stolen!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:29 PM

41. NO!

There are too many other bloated areas that need to be looked at first...before we take out our problems on those that need
the support net the most.

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Response to RagAss (Reply #43)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:52 PM

57. while I share your disdain

 

I agree completely with your opinion wholeheartedly

Im simply posting this to allow people to examine those in our party who would accept such garbage

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Response to RagAss (Reply #43)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:56 PM

59. +1

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:36 PM

46. No

Emphatically.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:42 PM

50. NO

Raise cap. Leave the rest alone

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:45 PM

51. Really? In a recession, which we are still not out of, programs that support the poor like medicaid

should never be cut. SS and medicare should also not be touched. I am amazed at the number of adult children who are now living at home, because they do not make enough money on their own. Without these two programs, us grannies would not be able to help our children. Touch any of these three, and the Democratic Party will pay dearly. They have a mandate and not standing up for these programs is tantamount to treason.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:46 PM

52. No, hell no, fuck no, etc., etc., etc.!!!!!

 

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:47 PM

54. Absolutely not!

There's plenty of other waste in government, like defense.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #54)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:03 PM

165. thank you

 

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:48 PM

55. Nope

Not one dime.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:51 PM

56. no

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:52 PM

58. I will cost them more than they will save

if they cut SS or Medicare. Food Stamps are all ready down to $10.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:00 AM

60. All or none.

To reduce this to my own personal situation I've got nearly thirty years left of dutifully paying into the system. The screwed generation right?

If my own party can't draw a line in the sand over Medicare and SS right now I'd favor ending both programs right now. I'd rather save for my own retirement than collect a goody bag of medical and food coupons as my reward for hitting 65.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:03 AM

61. No.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:05 AM

62. What would be the reason for a "deal" with republicans, at this time?

The voters expressed themselves with a clear democratic win. Four more years!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:06 AM

63. nyet. nein.

 

no.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:11 AM

64. Sure, if they pass a living wage, there will be a fewer people needing food stamps

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Response to justice1 (Reply #64)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:02 AM

88. They need to tweek Obamacare too - ALL employees should get health insurance, even part time

Hear me out on this. If we're going to go with this employer provided health insurance model, it only makes sense that they have to offer it to ALL their employees, even part timers. Otherwise you have people like Papa John that decide to cut the hours of all their employees to part time instead of raising the price of their pizzas 14 cents. Walmart has been doing this for years. The US taxpayers pay for Medicaid and food stamps for Walmart employees to the tune of over $2 Billion PER YEAR. Walmart's net profits last year were $15.6 Billion. Well if you ask me, they owe the US taxpayers some money. Why should we be picking up the tab when they stiff their employees?

Providing health insurance for part time employees isn't unheard of. Whole Foods Market and Starbucks do. With Whole Foods, you qualify for health insurance after you've worked 500 hours, about the equivalent of 12 full time weeks. It doesn't matter how many weeks it takes you to get there, once you hit 500, your health insurance premium was fully paid. It was a high deductible plan, but employees didn't have to pay premiums at all. They even covered families after you worked 10,000 hours - 5 full time years. Domestic partners too.

Now I realize that a company has a fiduciary responsibility to it's stockholders to maximize profits, but even though Whole Foods treats its employees pretty good, its stock has gone up 3000% in the last 20 years. Papa Johns has gone up 1000%. Walmart's has gone up 350%. Don't feel to sorry for Walmart though. The Walton heirs combined wealth is more than the bottom 40% of the US. They can afford to pay their employees decent wages and benefits!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:13 AM

65. NO n/t

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:25 AM

66. NO!


No cutting into any kind of safety nets like social security,Medicare,Medicaid, or Food Stamps.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:30 AM

67. NO.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:34 AM

68. Not only NO but HELL NO.......n/t

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:49 AM

70. Point of clarification: Exactly what are the Republicans going to do in exchange for this??? nt

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Response to Selatius (Reply #70)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:09 PM

121. That isn't the question.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:52 AM

71. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:55 AM

72. NO NO - absolutely not

What the hell did we all fight for in this last election??

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:00 AM

73. No, but raise the $120K cap on SS deductions to $250K

that would make a difference. Or at least to $150 K.

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Response to Tumbulu (Reply #73)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:36 AM

82. Robert Reich says it only needs to go to $183K but there are some other ideas

He says that Social Security used to tax 90% of the wages and that was fine. The problem now is that because a disproportionate amount of income has gone to the top 1% in the last ten years, only 83% is being taxed. So, rather than just raise the cap, someone suggested that they have an untaxed window from $110K to $250K, the SS kicks back in. That way it's being paid by the people who have benefited the most from the recovery. They could continue to raise the $110K lower limit based on inflation until the window is closed and all wages are taxed. This would keep Social Security more than solvent in perpetuity. They could raise the payments or they could lower the basic tax rate below 6.25.

Another way to raise some revenue is to make a small, less than 1% transaction tax on all stock market transactions. Wall Street can certainly afford it. They have it in other countries.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #82)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:49 PM

97. Great- any and all ideas are welcome- but the top wage earners need to pay into SS

and I do love the transaction tax as well.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:08 AM

74. sorry boys and girls but all options are on the table and its back bipartisan at any cost nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #74)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:20 AM

84. The OP asked for your opinion. What is it, please? n/t

 

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:16 AM

75. OF.COURSE.NOT.!!!!!

NO WAY a good Democrat would support that idea!!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:18 AM

76. NO!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:18 AM

77. Not only no, but HELL NO!

I would definitely start voting Green or Socialist at that point, even if my own benefits were unchanged.

If the Dems can't defend the New Deal and Great Society programs, then what good are they?

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:20 AM

78. No Fucking Way !!! - At The Very Least... Make The Rich Jump First !!!

Then...we will see... what else we might need to do.



& Rec !!!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:27 AM

80. Nope....

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:29 AM

81. Yes,

if, after we halve the military budget and raise taxes on the wealthy back to pre-Reagan levels and invest all of that money into research and infrastructure, we still have a deficit problem then I might consider means testing for Social Security.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:37 AM

83. Absolutely NOT. Raise the cap on SS. Invest in Obama's jobs program and get Americans to work

again and the social safety net programs will be fine. Move to universal health care once and for all and you go a long way in solving the Medicare funding issue. In the meantime, allow the government to negotiate lower drug prices with the drug companies, the way the VA does now (DUH!). Lots we can do and should do...

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:21 AM

85. What this country needs

is more untreated sick, hungry, desperate and homeless people....sure, because the fat cats need a dozen houses.











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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:32 AM

86. Not just NO but hell no

 

You see my user name.







If I supported that I would still be a republican.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:33 AM

87. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:31 AM

89. NO

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:33 AM

90. No

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:08 AM

93. NO!!!

This is NOT what I voted for.

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:10 AM

94. HELL NO!!!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:12 AM

95. No

No way.
Nope.
No how.
Hell no.

And hell to the no!

Cut military, end wars, collect taxes on banks, oil companies, telecoms, cruise ship operators, etc. etc. and pay the debt down that way.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:54 PM

98. No.

It's interesting, though that you are trying to find out "where DU members stand." Why is that, I wonder?

So, why do you ask? Are you planning to stick around if you get the answer you want?

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:55 PM

99. No.

Cut military spending not social programs.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:47 PM

100. Unless the Republicans give MAJOR concessions like say, top tax rate raised to 45% and capital gains

tax increased as well and allow for significant defense cuts, then hell no.

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Response to Mr.Turnip (Reply #100)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:21 PM

110. No "trade-off." Raising anything will STILL not help the poor if ANY cuts to SS/Medicare are made.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #110)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:30 PM

114. +1. because they have a way of taking back their 'concessions' in the next round while leaving

 

the peons' concessions in place.

ordinary people have lost enough in this recession.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #114)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:05 PM

166. i agree as well,

 

thank you

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:52 PM

101. Absolutely not n/t

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:54 PM

102. Nope

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:58 PM

103. afternoon kick

 

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:08 PM

104. no.

 

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:09 PM

105. No! eom

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:11 PM

106. Those should never be on the table...EVER

The defense budget however needs to be put on the chopping block.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:17 PM

107. Not after the Democratic landslide of last Tuesday.

Maybe prior to then since it was difficult to gauge how much support the Democratic Party's agenda had in the general population.

But in light of the overwhelming support shown on Election Day, I think we can afford to discount Republican demands and all these DC-based conservative think tank calls for cutting entitlements.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:19 PM

109. There aren't enough decibels for my "HELL, NO!" Republicans have worked since 1935 to destroy

Social Security and the rest.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:21 PM

111. Of course not.

It should be a career ender for any craven politician who participates.

If our party cannot stand for something as fundamental as defending these meager safety nets for Americans, then it does not stand for anything anymore.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:22 PM

112. Too late

Ohioans’ food stamp aid to be reduced
Benefit to fall $50 a month starting in January

http://www.toledoblade.com/State/2012/11/12/Ohioans-food-stamp-aid-to-be-cut.html


I don't care why Ohio food stamps are being cut, it's wrong. No one should go hungry. No One. Ever.

It pains my heart to read that article.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:33 PM

115. Cutting benefits, no. Cutting waste or streamlining the delivery of those benefits, yes.

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Response to randome (Reply #115)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:44 PM

118. When waste and fraud is cut from the military/war/drone/war on drugs budget

 

then we can talk.


Otherwise, I will put your answer down for a yes, due to insincerity.


Also if this is the talking point that's going to be trotted out, I don't think many people are going to buy it.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:38 PM

117. No. nt

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:04 PM

119. Not only no, but HELL NO!

Social Security does not contribute to the deficit, and any long-term funding problems can be easily addressed by raising the cap on FICA taxes. We should expand Medicare, not decrease it. If we go to universal single-payer health care, i.e. Medicare for all, then sure we can get rid of Medicaid as it would no longer be needed. As for Food Stamps, they not only help the poor but they also help the agriculture sector -- in other words, it's a win-win program that should be expanded, not cut.

There is always room for improvement in administration of government (and private) programs. Savings can be found for example, by rooting out fraud in the Medicare sector. Important note: Medicare fraud is most often committed by providers, not patients (for obvious reasons -- it's not like people will try and get more treatments just for the hell of it, but providers can be in a position to give more treatment than is really necessary, or even worse, to say they gave more treatment than they really did).

We can save a lot of $$ by dismantling the Empire. Not that I expect that to happen. But again, fraud and waste are good targets here for the short term.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:05 PM

120. I think the people have sacrificed enough already

So my answer is no. Yet I heard President Obama, just today, say he can't be expected to ask his constituency to sacrifice with cuts, if the other side isn't willing to raise revenue. If he cuts the pillars of the Democratic Party, we won't be relishing in the Republican Party's problems, we'll be dealing with our own schisms.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:11 PM

123. NO

Nuff Ced.

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:12 PM

125. No Thanks...

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:20 PM

126. No. Fuck, no.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:35 PM

127. Is this a trick question?

Fuck no, we don't cut any of those things!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:36 PM

128. absolutely not, under any circumstances

 

case closed. end of story

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:37 PM

129. WTF??? Fuck No. NO. NOT EVER

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:39 PM

130. Social security needs to be strengthened.

So how about we put it in the table to remove the cap?

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:51 PM

131. Not only no but, heall no!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:25 PM

133. No.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:27 PM

134. No

I would also allow a small amount for toilet paper along with the food order..

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:28 PM

135. no

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:32 PM

137. No, No, No!!!!

I am a social security and medicare recipient and could not survive any cuts. I knew if those benefits were cut, it would affect not only me but my children and grandchildren.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #137)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:48 PM

146. thank you

 

we need to send this message out loud before it becomes a talking point to be apologized for and explained away

Millions of peoples lives are at stake

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:34 PM

139. No (nt)

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:36 PM

140. Hell NO!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:37 PM

141. No, but then again I'm a Democrat.

 

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:39 PM

142. I doubt anyone here will ever agree to this.

 

It's kind of a moot question.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #142)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:06 PM

147. Oh there are plenty on this site I have discovered

 

who would gladly agree and apologize for this shit.

What Im worried about more is our elected leaders agreeing to this shit.

I hope they dont

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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #147)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:28 PM

152. I also hope they won't.

 

But I have a nasty suspicion that they will. They really don't give a damn what we want.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #152)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:57 PM

158. Im not going to sit back and watch this time

 

We need to go Greece style but on a much larger scale if they agree to increase SS retirement age...or any cuts to medicare or medicaid

Food stamps is where the repukes want to do a lot of damage...cutting off families, homeless, and poverty level folks. Also I see them trying to cut off any aid to people who have any type of criminal record at all.


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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #158)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:18 PM

161. I agree. But they have half the people on their side.

 

Or should I say half of the interested people? How many eligable voters didn't even bother? That's a big problem. We can never do general strikes or mass demonstrations the way they do it in Europe. So many people here just don't care what goes on.

That's the ugly reality we face after a happy week.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #161)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:28 PM

162. people wise we outnumber them 10-1

 

but they control the violent police state/military complex/media

I think if it ever were to get to the state for uprisings we would get a hefty dose of punishment for speaking out.

I agree.

They could easily make an example by nuking a city and the people would again become fearful and obedient


Im way to the left of most here Im sure.

I have a detailed memory of history and Im not alone by far

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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #162)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:17 AM

174. Look what they did to OWS.

 

They saw it was picking up steam and started infiltrating, provoking from inside and then just beating the shit out of people. The media ignored them, then smeared them and then dismissed them. I think the idea of nuking a city is a bit out of the realm of feasibility but only because I see protests on that scale in the same way.

Something needs to be done, I'm not sure what it is but I will be watching and waiting for the right moment.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:41 PM

143. It is heartening to see all the No responses in this thread

 

A big thank you to all who continue to post here.


I truly hope President Obama sees this and sees how serious the vital programs are to American people.


Mr. President, I personally encourage you NOT to compromise with hateful,greedy sociopaths who hate you and are racist as hell to boot.

Please for all of us, DO NOT give in to these teabagging repuke cretins!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:45 PM

144. F**K NO!

Who the hell just won a landslide election? Who has youth, minorities and women on their side?

NOW IS THE TIME TO TELL the damn republican party how its gonna be!

They sure as hell would be doing that if they would have won big, thats for damn sure!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:44 PM

145. Hell No

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:11 PM

148. no

or rather, hell no

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:13 PM

149. What are the consequences of something being unacceptable?

How are we to show we don't accept something?

I'm against cutting these programs, but I have the sneaking suspicion that it will happen and at some level everyone in this thread will accept it.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:16 PM

150. I signed up just to say a huge NO.

 

Former lurker. Happy about the election results, and hoping we'll see more progress in this term.

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Response to Maplegrass (Reply #150)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:19 PM

151. Lurk no more, Maplegrass!

I'm glad you decided to post.

DU is a very cool place.....I should know; I've been here over 7 years!

Welcome to DU!

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Response to Maplegrass (Reply #150)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:39 PM

156. WELCOME, please keep posting! nt

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:29 PM

153. Oh HELL to the no. n/t

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:30 PM

154. HUGE, emphatic NO eom

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:35 PM

155. NO absolutely NOT! nt

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:42 PM

157. Lets see

Social Security- I honestly think nothing is wrong with it. Politicians just need to stop borrowing from the fund.

Medicare- I think more of reform measures then cuts.That medicare part D thing is really a budget eater.

Medicaid-No

Food Stamps-minor cuts


In a trade off for cuts in defense spending and an increase in tax brackets to pre-Bush levels as well as

true reform of the U.S. tax code. I think thats fair.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:59 PM

159. Nope.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #159)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:02 PM

164. thanks

 

trying to thank everyone on my post..but there are so many

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:05 PM

160. No, but I would support cuts in SS and Medicare for high-income seniors. nt

 

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:48 PM

163. It depends

on the nature of the cuts and what the Democrats are getting in return. These issues aren't always as simple as black and white.

The Democrats cut Medicare spending to help pay for the Affordable Care Act. Was that a good compromise?

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Response to gravity (Reply #163)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:06 PM

167. What was our return during Grand Bargain I negotiations?

$3 trillion in cuts, $800 billion in tax increases. Some kinda equal deal, eh? The Medicare cuts applied to health care providers, it did not affect senior citizens. During Grand Bargain I, Obama was willing to raise the eligibility age of Medicare to 67, which of course is an automatic increase in the retirement age. That's about as black and white as it gets.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #167)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:35 AM

179. That was a bad deal

But it wasn't the question. If there was a deal with the majority of it in tax hikes for the rich with a small cut on Medicare that has little effect on health outcomes from seniors, then I would consider it.

You have to look at each situation in context instead of just blindly saying no every time.

I really just think Obama was bluffing the first Grand Bargain negotiations. He knew that both the Democrats and Republicans would have rejected the deal in Congress. He wanted to show that the Republicans were not able to compromise at all.

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Response to gravity (Reply #163)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:06 PM

168. link?

 

link please

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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #168)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:40 AM

180. Here

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/resources/reports/affordablecareact.html

The cuts are mostly for waste in the program and not benefits, but there are still cuts nonetheless.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:06 PM

169. No.

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #170)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:13 PM

171. NO

Instead do the following:
Cut Defense spending
End big oil subsidies
End big farm subsidies
End big pharma subsidies
Reduce Foreign Aide

Most of all Chop, Chop, Chop, to the bare minimum Congressional salaries/Congressional Health care, Congressional travel budgets, reimbursements etc. let them live within "their means." They are already earning more than enough to survive based on what their lobbyist friends pay them. They don't need our money too.


End the Bush tax cuts, end the payroll tax cut.

Close the tax loopholes for the wealthy

Repatriate money earned in the U.S. but hidden in tax shelters off shore.

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #171)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:34 AM

178. ^^^^^^^^^^^Now that's something I can say "yes" to.^^^^^^^

Except for cutting congressional salaries. I'm open to persuasion on this one, but, for one, it amounts to very little in the overall budget, and wouldn't less pay make them more susceptible to lobbying and other forms of bribery?

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:13 PM

172. absolutely no!


We should raise the limit to 150,000 for deducting ss tax! we should raise the minimum wage to help the worker in the lower tier! we need to address the nursing home problem for the elders as we will all get their some day!
we need to make business more responsive to the country's woes;helping by raising wages and stopping off shore accounts!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:19 PM

173. ASOLUTELY NO!

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:19 AM

175. Nope.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:20 AM

176. Nope! nt

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:30 AM

177. no No NO NOO Next

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:40 AM

181. Definitely no on food stamps

With regard to the other two, it depends how they do it. According to a plaintiff-side lawyer I was talking to, there is a lot of inefficiency that the system rewards, not to mention outright fraud. This guy is a Democrat who did voter protection work for Obama last week, not a Republican shill at allt. So if cuts to Medicare are in the form of increased efficiency I am for it.

With regard to Social Security, I honestly have mixed feelings because I am under 30 and nobody is promising that it will be there for me when I retire. My (otherwise liberal) mom has taught me since I was 10 that I need to save for retirement on my own and not count on Social Security. So if I could put a portion of my FICA taxes in my 401(k) I probably would.

I don't support cutting benefits for low income seniors or making it a means-tested program, but I am not opposed to some cuts for wealthier seniors.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:48 AM

182. So let me get this straight:

Your purpose with this post was to ferret out anyone who was not "pure" and "expose" them.

If someone stated that they were not against any suggestion of compromise, any small concession in return for large concessions on the other side, if someone is not "pure" like you, then they don't "really support Democratic values." They are, you imply, traitors to the cause.

Do I have that right? Because if I do, congratulations. You are Grover Norquist.

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Response to argiel1234 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:54 PM

183. kick

 

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