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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:02 PM

CBS News (yes, really!): The scientific truth about climate change

By CBS' David Pogue:

Here's what we know for sure: The decade beginning in the year 2000 was the hottest decade ever recorded. Arctic ice has melted to its lowest levels in recorded history, and sea levels have risen eight inches since 1870.
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So the debate will continue over how fast the Earth is warming and what the effects will be. But on the three key questions, all my experts are unanimous.

Is climate change real? Yes.

Is human activity contributing to it? Yes.

And is there anything we can do about it? Yes.

"We can do a lot. If we decide this is serious, we can avoid most of it," said (Pieter) Tans (chief scientist at NOAA's global monitoring division).

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57548138/the-scientific-truth-about-climate-change/?tag=re1.channel

Also, a 9-minute video saying the same thing as the article, but with visuals, stated simply so even Fox News watchers can understand, with a hopeful, "we can change this if we try" ending:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50134919n&tag=re1.channel

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Reply CBS News (yes, really!): The scientific truth about climate change (Original post)
SunSeeker Nov 2012 OP
AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #1
PCIntern Nov 2012 #2
AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #11
TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #22
Taverner Nov 2012 #3
RainDog Nov 2012 #5
AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #7
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #24
AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #25
dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #4
WooWooWoo Nov 2012 #8
AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #10
dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #12
2on2u Nov 2012 #17
WooWooWoo Nov 2012 #6
AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #9
SunSeeker Nov 2012 #13
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #14
Agony Nov 2012 #15
AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #28
dem4ward Nov 2012 #16
Agony Nov 2012 #18
ItsTheMediaStupid Nov 2012 #23
raouldukelives Nov 2012 #29
AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #27
dogknob Nov 2012 #19
SunSeeker Nov 2012 #20
Cleita Nov 2012 #21
AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #26

Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:11 PM

1. I'm simply amazed right now.

Just a few months ago, there was barely any mention of climate change at all. But now, after Sandy, the media is finally starting to really focus on the issue again. I honestly don't know whether it was thanks to massive popular outcry, or simply because of the hurricane's effect on New York, or perhaps both, but it's clear to me that something has changed. Let's keep the pressure up so they don't let this slip, eh?

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:13 PM

2. Now it is costing them MONEY...

That's different!

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:24 PM

11. Maybe, but I think it's a lot more complex than that. n/t

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:49 PM

22. The money plus the real threat of one day having to move to "fly over country"

They really don't want to be living in Omaha, or Springfield, or even Chicago or Atlanta.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:13 PM

3. Changes in Latitude, Changes in Attitude

 

Wow - CBS went Jimmy Buffet on us

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:18 PM

5. I think the right wing has also been throughly beaten back at this time

Sandy occurring during the end of the election season was the capper with Mitt's talk about privatizing FEMA.

Prior to that we had science and medicine-denying Republicans talking about women as god's brood mares.

Prior to that we had years of right wing reality-denying birthers and all that b.s.

Prior to that, and continuing, we had right wingers claiming homosexuality was a sin and could be cured and, therefore, homosexuals should be treated as second-class citizens.

This election also noted that a voting demographic as large as the youth vote, and growing, that is not religious and does not want to hear pseudo-science for the plutocrats on supposed news programs.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:20 PM

7. Exactly!

We do still have a ways to go, sadly, but I am personally very heartened to see a large number of people talking about climate change at the same time.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:03 PM

24. Skeptics Angst:


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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:41 PM

25. Lulz, man.

Of course, I betcha most of the Teabaggers will just stick their fingers further into their ears and saying, "Lalalala, I can't hear you!", and such.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:16 PM

4. Well it will be demonstrated that the US takes the subject seriously

when they cease to have the highest CO2 emmisions per capita of all developed nations.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:21 PM

8. and if China and Russia and India don't?

what good is it going to do?

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Response to WooWooWoo (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:23 PM

10. The status quo in China isn't going to last that much longer anyway, and.......

If the U.S. takes the lead, so will many other countries. This happened in the '90s when CFCs were eliminated, so I don't see how the same couldn't happen for emissions, as well.

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Response to WooWooWoo (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:24 PM

12. In aggregate

the US has the worst record since the fifties : I guess the others are just catching you up.

And since you raised the subject China's per capita figure is less than a third of the USA's and Russia just over a half. India is less than a tenth.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:14 PM

17. We have something like 5% of the world's population and use 35 percent of its natural

 

resources.... and the U.S. military is the single greatest polluting entity on the planet. Makes me so proud..... not.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:19 PM

6. i agree with the first two

but the last one I'm not sure about. I think the ship has sailed in terms of reversing what's been done. The planet is going to get worse...much worse. There's little hope.

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Response to WooWooWoo (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:22 PM

9. Maybe we can't bring back most of the species that have died out, or fully reverse the Arctic.......

decline, but we can at least, do something about the Co2. The question we should be asking ourselves is "when?". Unfortunately, I think we both can agree that the longer we wait,the worse it does get.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:25 PM

13. +1

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:29 PM

14. On the plus side

It seems I was wrong. I was laying odds on at east two more Sandys before this shit got real for Americans.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:32 PM

15. Fuck Koch Shill Richard Muller and CBSNews

http://www.desmogblog.com/conversion-fever-why-media-adores-former-climate-skeptics
“At this rate, Muller should be caught up to the current state of climate science within a matter of just a few years!” climatologist Michael Mann tweeted. Climate scientist Ken Caldeira also had an amusing take, as quoted by Joe Romm: “I am glad that Muller et al have taken a look at the data and have come to essentially the same conclusion that nearly everyone else had come to more than a decade ago.”

CBSNews just had to find a Koch Fucker to interview cuz that makes it better entertainment.

Maybe someday they will do a serious news article.

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Response to Agony (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:48 PM

28. I don't think Muller's all that bad anymore.

Guy McPherson and Malcolm Light on the other hand? They may not be covert shills, but they're still very bad news.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:53 PM

16. One of my big arguments on the subject to people who

 

don't believe in Climate change is this.

If we can create energy using wind, solar and bio-fuels that is cleaner and less harmful to humans and the earth, then isn't that the more responsible thing to do? Why do you recycle? Because it saves room in landfills and it's the responsible thing to do right. Do you like the smell of diesel fuel, gasoline, oil, tar & coal? No, who does. Then why not fuel our homes and vehicles with hydrogen, natural gas and bio-fuels. You don't have to agree with global warming, but you can at least agree that there is smarter, more responsible and efficient ways that we can create energy. Plain and simple. The huge bonus is, cleaner air and we all like bright blue skies & fresh clean air.

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Response to dem4ward (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:17 PM

18. Natural Gas is a fossil fuel and may have a larger greenhouse gas footprint than coal

I said "may have" because we need more data before we go off half cocked and spend a fortune on a natural gas infrastructure (expensive) that we should be spending on PV or wind etc. We should probably be working on a smart grid.

6 minutes
Robert Howarth and Larry Cathles, both scientists from Cornell University, stand divided over the size of methane emissions from natural gas wells and how those emissions effect global climate change.

This is long... Howarth presents his data 70 minutes

Robert W. Howarth, Professor of Ecology & Environmental Biology from Cornell University speaks at SoMAS on Friday, November 9, 2012. Host: Bob Aller
"The Sustainable Energy Dilemma"

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Response to dem4ward (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:52 PM

23. The problem is that the corporate weasels behind denial of global warming

Don't care about anything except the profit margins.

The oil companies, coal companies, etc. fund a bunch of advocacy research to muddy the waters, like Phillip Morris funds research to "debunk" claims that smoking causes cancer.

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Response to ItsTheMediaStupid (Reply #23)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:50 AM

29. And the multitudes who might claim they are against climate change

but who actually invest and even work for the biggest deniers of all.

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Response to dem4ward (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:47 PM

27. That's one of my favorite points of reason when talking to deniers, btw.

After all, who doesn't like clean air, clear blue skies and fresh water?

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:18 PM

19. VERY WARY of CBS since Luntz moved in.

Just sayin'

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Response to dogknob (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:41 PM

20. I agree, but at least they appear to be moving away from the "global warming is in dispute" meme.

They concede that it exists and, just as important, that it is caused by humans. Now, the issue is what to do about it. I totally get that they may (o.k., will) try to exploit the situation, like T. Boone Pickens pushing natural gas. And it was creepy hearing that Koch stooge Richard Muller in the video suggesting natural gas and nuclear energy, along with wind and solar, as solutions.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:46 PM

21. We knew this more than a decade ago. Why did they wait until after they

invited the vampire into the house to admit the science from back then is right? These profiteers disgust me. Not only are they endangering innocents, but now the whole planet stands to be altered forever.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:44 PM

26. It kinda already has been altered.

I mean, not just the global warming, but air & water pollution is still an issue too.

And have you ever seen any of those mega projects over in Dubai, btw? Holy shit.

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