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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:55 PM

 

Christian Right Failed to Sway Voters on Issues

By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: November 9, 2012

Christian conservatives, for more than two decades a pivotal force in American politics, are grappling with Election Day results that repudiated their influence and suggested that the cultural tide — especially on gay issues — has shifted against them.

They are reeling not only from the loss of the presidency, but from what many of them see as a rejection of their agenda. They lost fights against same-sex marriage in all four states where it was on the ballot, and saw anti-abortion-rights Senate candidates defeated and two states vote to legalize marijuana for recreational use.

It is not as though they did not put up a fight; they went all out as never before: The Rev. Billy Graham dropped any pretense of nonpartisanship and all but endorsed Mitt Romney for president. Roman Catholic bishops denounced President Obama’s policies as a threat to life, religious liberty and the traditional nuclear family. Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition distributed more voter guides in churches and contacted more homes by mail and phone than ever before.

“Millions of American evangelicals are absolutely shocked by not just the presidential election, but by the entire avalanche of results that came in,” R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, in Louisville, Ky., said in an interview. “It’s not that our message — we think abortion is wrong, we think same-sex marriage is wrong — didn’t get out. It did get out.

“It’s that the entire moral landscape has changed,” he said. “An increasingly secularized America understands our positions, and has rejected them.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/us/politics/christian-conservatives-failed-to-sway-voters.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=1

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HarveyDarkey Nov 2012 OP
dchill Nov 2012 #1
thelordofhell Nov 2012 #2
Taverner Nov 2012 #3
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #4
RainDog Nov 2012 #6
RainDog Nov 2012 #5
HockeyMom Nov 2012 #12
Beartracks Nov 2012 #7
trouble.smith Nov 2012 #8
Initech Nov 2012 #9
defacto7 Nov 2012 #10
Skidmore Nov 2012 #11
Qutzupalotl Nov 2012 #14
powergirl Nov 2012 #13
Cha Nov 2012 #15
Dawson Leery Nov 2012 #16
Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #17
xfundy Nov 2012 #18

Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:57 PM

1. People figured out they're not Christian...

And they're not right.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:58 PM

2. No.....they couldn't sway their flock to vote for the Mormon

I know a few "Christian" right wingers that refused to even vote because of Romney's faith that they have been taught for their whole lives as being a wacky cult

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:59 PM

3. In the end, sectarianism killed them

 

For years, you tell your followers "Mormonism is a cult! Mormonism is a cult!" to keep the congregants from leaving and creating an us v them scenario. Then their politically chosen one is a Mormon, so they tell their congregants "This guy's OK! This guy's OK!"

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:01 PM

4. NPR ran an interview the other day

Where evangelicals are threatening to leave politics behind.

They are retreating from that, but...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:06 PM

6. that would be a good thing

let them focus on helping people rather than legislating them. That's their proper role - not in politics.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:04 PM

5. Republicans think they have the best chance with Hispanic voters

because of Catholicism.

And they will change their stance on immigration to appeal to Hispanic voters so that they can keep their social conservative base that turns out to vote for them no matter what.

They can't win single women with their stance on abortion.
They can't win the youth vote with their stances on abortion and gay rights.
They can't win the African-American vote with their alignment with racist blocs.

The problem with this is that the long-standing Cuban vote, even, did not vote for Republicans - and they have been an influential faction for a while in the Republican Party. But the first generation was in the 60s and their grandchildren have not had the same experiences.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:46 PM

12. They certainly cannot win the CONTRACEPTION issue

with even married women, or married MEN, based on that one.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:08 PM

7. Might not be just "secularization." It could also be...

... that many workaday Christians voted against their less-charitable, less-tolerant, more rightwing brethren.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:13 PM

8. Their agenda was damaged irreparably. They're currently in denial.

 

When they figure out just how far their causes were set back by their own lunacy, they're gonna go Jim fucking Jones on us. or maybe Branch Davidian.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:33 PM

9. Ralph Reed and the "values voters" have become irrelevant.

It's 2012 and we still take our political advice from people who reject stem cell research and think the earth is 6000 years old? And we wonder why the rest of the world laughs at us.

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Response to Initech (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:39 PM

10. They failed through their own arrogance...


and just a sprinkling of reason!

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:41 PM

11. I think it is as simple as the idea that no one wants anyone else's belief system

forced on them. That is not freedom by any stretch of the imagination. And this nation has a broader range of belief systems in it than just Christianity.

I hope they are shocked enough that they return to their closets. If you need the entire government and society to be ordered in such a fashion to help you maintain your morality, then your faith is non existent.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:41 PM

14. ^^ This.

Legislating morality needs to be framed as the overreach that it is. If you don't like gay marriage, don't have one. But when you say nobody else can have one, you've crossed a line.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:01 PM

13. At least one of their leaders figured out that America does, indeed understand their message

and rejected. And it isn't because of an "increasingly secularized America." it is because their message is wrong. Period.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:44 PM

15. And, "reeling" from those two crazy "christian" assholes who Are Not

Senators because they were rejected by Missouri and Indiana!

They're whining "secular" but they're Lying, A GAin! There are lots of religious peeps who did vote for Pres Obama. he got the majority of Catholics in spite of the pope and the bishops.

My sister is a "Christian" who was ecstatic like I was that Pres Obama WON!

Oh yeah, Tough Shit Franklin and Billy Graham.

The Moral Landscape of America is Just Great... We Re-Elected that Beautiful Family Man, Barack Obama, didn't we? You know..the one who DOESN'T LIE.. And, helps the 47%!



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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:06 PM

16. Their most extreme (reactionary) candidates lost.

Akin, Mourdock, Berg, West, Walsh etc....were shown the door.
In addition, teabaggers were shown the door in several state legislature races which include New Hampshire, Minnesota, Iowa, Maine, and Pennsylvania.

The evangelicals are being rejected.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:09 PM

17. “An increasingly secularized America understands our positions, and has rejected them.”

Gotta give this guy a little credit for grasping reality!

We gave the religious nuts the finger and it makes me so happy!

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:24 PM

18. The funny thing is, they gave up "christianity"

All the hatred they've been displaying for the last 20+ years is precisely the opposite of what their supposed "Savior" preached against, and certainly is counter to all I learned in Sunday School and church many years ago. The church has, indeed, become the "Antichrist" I was taught to fear so long ago.

Fuck them. Fuck them with Mitt and a Baby Jesus Butt Plug.

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