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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:18 AM

Star Member Jackpine Radical (36,575 posts)

If Cantor knew about the Petraeus story before the White House did, and

didn't inform the White House, isn't that a betrayal of his responsibility to act in the best interest of the nation?

Like, maybe, an act of TREASON by omission?

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Reply If Cantor knew about the Petraeus story before the White House did, and (Original post)
 Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 OP
LineReply Did he work with the FBI?
 itsrobert Nov 2012 #1
LineReply Giving Cantor's treasonous character, I would think that,
 djean111 Nov 2012 #2
LineLineReply So if Rmoney had won it would have been covered up?n/t
 malaise Nov 2012 #17
LineReply Petraeus and Cantor are right wingers. I think the whistle blower went to a right winger
 Lint Head Nov 2012 #3
LineLineReply Very plausible
 jsr Nov 2012 #15
LineReply Yup. Failure to notify the President is considered treason
 Panasonic Nov 2012 #4
LineLineReply Under what definition
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #5
LineLineLineReply Withholding cruicial information
 Panasonic Nov 2012 #7
LineLineLineLineReply You would do well to look up the definition of treason in Constitution
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #8
LineLineLineLineLineReply +1
 onenote Nov 2012 #23
LineLineLineReply This one:
 hughee99 Nov 2012 #19
LineLineLineLineReply Interestingly, I was accused of treason downthread
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #22
LineLineLineLineLineReply I saw that and had to laugh. n/t
 hughee99 Nov 2012 #25
LineReply Cantor actually did the right thing here, it appears to me
 alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #6
LineLineReply Tend to agree on the whole. I think the FBI employee, as well as Reichert, were possibly looking for
 pinto Nov 2012 #33
LineReply My take on it...
 ewagner Nov 2012 #9
LineReply His "service" in the House has been a string of acts of treason.
 HopeHoops Nov 2012 #10
LineReply Yet another poster who loves to throw around the work "treason".
 former9thward Nov 2012 #11
LineLineReply Thank you
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #12
LineLineLineReply You have to admit
 RobertEarl Nov 2012 #13
LineLineLineLineReply Where have I EVER preached aid and comfort to our enemies? n/t
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #14
LineLineLineLineLineReply Well, here, for one
 RobertEarl Nov 2012 #18
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply Knowing the definition of treason
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #20
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Heh
 RobertEarl Nov 2012 #26
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Upon what do you base your assumption that he's my friend?
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #28
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Who said no trial?
 RobertEarl Nov 2012 #32
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply On a personal level, neither
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #36
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply Since Cantor is our "enemy" do you want all of our enemies thrown in Prison?
 former9thward Nov 2012 #21
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Prison is an apt place, yes.
 RobertEarl Nov 2012 #24
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Thinking someone is a criminal
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #27
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply FBI is on him now
 RobertEarl Nov 2012 #29
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Examples of where I'm coddling them? n/t
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #31
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply So you re saying all non-Democrats are criminals?
 former9thward Nov 2012 #30
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Apparenty so
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #34
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply No. But Cantor is
 RobertEarl Nov 2012 #35
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply If you have proof he's a criminal, turn him in
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #37
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Yes Mr. 1650 posts I know what website I am on.
 former9thward Nov 2012 #38
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Cantor is my enemy
 RobertEarl Nov 2012 #40
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply A political opponent.
 former9thward Nov 2012 #41
LineReply Depends on whose duty it was to inform the W.H. Cantor was informed because of his committee
 Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #16
LineLineNew Reply I would have thought the FBI would have informed the White House
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #45
LineLineLineNew Reply I have since learned that Cantor learned about it in OCTOBER. From an FBI friend? Hmmmm. nt
 Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #52
LineLineLineLineNew Reply He learned about it from another Congressman
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #53
LineReply Whether he followed protocol or not is the issue
 Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #39
LineReply Display article list Petraeus news hit Feinstein like 'lightning bolt'
 Tippy Nov 2012 #42
LineReply investigate right away. Bring charges against them if merited
 Sunlei Nov 2012 #43
LineNew Reply He was waiting for his leader, Mittens to win.
 Rex Nov 2012 #44
LineNew Reply The FBI is the part of the executive branch that is responsible for counterintelligence.
 FarCenter Nov 2012 #46
LineNew Reply Was this the Gobbers October Surprise?
 Wellstone ruled Nov 2012 #47
LineNew Reply Based on this logic and per Dianne Feinstein's comments I guess the FBI is guilty of treason
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #48
LineNew Reply Covering up the potential vulnerability of a person in Petraeus' position is arguably
 Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #49
LineNew Reply yes; it also suggests the FBI has too much autonomy and is aligned with Cantor, and not under Prez c
 amborin Nov 2012 #50
LineLineNew Reply Yes as in it's treason? n/t
 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #51

Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:22 AM

Star Member itsrobert (9,070 posts)

1. Did he work with the FBI?

The FBI seems like the appropriate agency to handle this. And if it is in the FBI hands, it's up to them to disclose or not to disclose as they see the best course of action of the investigation.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:33 AM

Star Member djean111 (959 posts)

2. Giving Cantor's treasonous character, I would think that,

if he had a choice, he would sit on the info hoping to use it for impeachment purposes if Romney lost.
But presumably Cantor cannot tell the FBI what to do. I hope.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:37 PM

Star Member malaise (106,120 posts)

17. So if Rmoney had won it would have been covered up?n/t

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:34 AM

Lint Head (10,443 posts)

3. Petraeus and Cantor are right wingers. I think the whistle blower went to a right winger

because they thought it could be covered up. Petraeus has been cited by the GOP as a potential candidate for President. Cantor wants to be VP and this information would be a way to blackmail Petraeus into choosing him or else the world would know. I think Cantor was forced by circumstance to reveal the information.

This is just my speculation and opinion but stranger things have happened in our history.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:34 PM

jsr (3,497 posts)

15. Very plausible

It is the simplest explanation right now.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:35 AM

Star Member Panasonic (2,921 posts)

4. Yup. Failure to notify the President is considered treason

 

ESPECIALLY if Cantor withheld knowledge about Petraeus story.

He needs to be expelled from Congress, and Wayne Powell wins the special election that is held the week before the new Congress gets seated.

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:37 AM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

5. Under what definition

is failure to notify the President "treason"?

That word gets tossed around here like crazy.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:39 AM

Star Member Panasonic (2,921 posts)

7. Withholding cruicial information

 

about a head of a key cabinet position (oh, like the CIA) is definetely dangerous and could be used to topple the President.

That is treason, by definition, and Cantor is in serious trouble. I expect Ethics Committee to convene shortly to discuss two matters - one Issa and one Cantor to be expelled from the U.S. House of Representatives.

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:41 AM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

8. You would do well to look up the definition of treason in Constitution

Since the Constitutional definition is the only one that matters.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:49 PM

onenote (22,027 posts)

23. +1

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:43 PM

hughee99 (10,122 posts)

19. This one:

"Treason" - when someone does something I don't like that involves our government or a foreign country.

Similar to another word that gets tossed around like crazy.

"Nazi" - a person that I don't like.

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:49 PM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

22. Interestingly, I was accused of treason downthread

Simply for calling out the misuse of the word.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:53 PM

hughee99 (10,122 posts)

25. I saw that and had to laugh. n/t

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:38 AM

Star Member alcibiades_mystery (28,429 posts)

6. Cantor actually did the right thing here, it appears to me

The FBI employee originally went to Representative Dave Reichert of Washington (also of Green River Killer task force fame). Reichert, rather oddly, passed him (or her) on to Eric Cantor.

Cantor referred the matter back to the FBI.

It seems clear that both the FBI employee and Reichert were looking to make election hay out of this issue. Cantor refused to do so, and went through the proper channels. Now, Cantor's motivation for doing so are unclear. I suspect that he was just as shocked as anybody, and because he's a Virginia guy, he's probably been around Petraeus a lot. Indeed, he's probably personal friends with Petraeus.

So, the FBI employee meets with him with this information, and Cantor doesn't like it at all. He essentially turned the FBI employee into the FBI Director. But this was the right thing to do, since the FBI employee was in essence interfering with an ongoing investigation in order to make an impact on the election.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:04 PM

Star Member pinto (97,901 posts)

33. Tend to agree on the whole. I think the FBI employee, as well as Reichert, were possibly looking for

pre-election investigation hay. Reichart may have felt his responsibility was to pass the info on to his leader in the House. The employee, though, should have gone up the ladder within his own department and let the FBI Director make the follow up call.

Worth noting as an aside that internecine politics exist in the FBI and the CIA for that matter. Maybe less so than in other departments, but neither are devoid of partisan political advocates.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:45 AM

Star Member ewagner (17,363 posts)

9. My take on it...

Cantor was caught between a rock and a hard place...

Should he?

1. Jump in an destroy the Republican Party's "Great White Hope" for 2016?

or

2. Destroy the iconic general and try to pin the Obama Administration with a scandal?

Decisions, decisions, decisions....

He punted.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:03 PM

Star Member HopeHoops (47,675 posts)

10. His "service" in the House has been a string of acts of treason.

 

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:14 PM

Star Member former9thward (6,443 posts)

11. Yet another poster who loves to throw around the work "treason".

Without knowing the legal definition. By that tortured logic then Petraeus committed treason since he knew the story immediately before anyone else and did not inform anyone. And Obama committed treason since after he knew the story he praised Petraeus to the sky.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:15 PM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

12. Thank you

Treason has a very specific definition, and this isn't even close.

And yes, I'm constantly amazed at how often "treason" gets thrown around here at DU.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:32 PM

RobertEarl (2,929 posts)

13. You have to admit

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That given the state of affairs pretty much all of them are Treasonous Bastards being that they are destroying our country and giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

And you do tend to amaze me, SO1P, you are seemingly everywhere preaching aid and comfort for our enemies.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:33 PM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

14. Where have I EVER preached aid and comfort to our enemies? n/t

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:38 PM

RobertEarl (2,929 posts)

18. Well, here, for one

And I remember you being against me when I was preaching about them stealing votes.

But the real question is: why are you protecting Cantor on this thread? He is our enemy, right?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:46 PM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

20. Knowing the definition of treason

And calling out people that obviously have no idea what it is as they accuse people of it is not "protecting Cantor". "Treason by omisson"? That's not even a real concept.

Here is the definition of treason (bolding added by me):

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.


While Cantor may well be an enemy of Democrats, I don't believe him to be an enemy of the United States, which is what he would need to be in order to be "treasonous".

Show me what you have that shows that Cantor levied war against the United States or where he adhered to enemies of the United States, giving them aid and comfort, and we'll talk.

For that matter, show me where I've done either of those things.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:56 PM

RobertEarl (2,929 posts)

26. Heh

Cantor, just this summer, tried his best to destroy the Good Faith and Credit of the US.

If you are so blind as to not see what Cantor has been doing, you need to go back and study the archives of faux news. It's all there, I am sure.

As far as I am concerned, Cantor is my enemy, because he made himself as such. I take it he is your friend?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:00 PM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

28. Upon what do you base your assumption that he's my friend?

The fact that I won't accuse him (or anyone else) of treason just because they don't act the way I want them to?

I'm of the opinion that people who want to throw political enemies into prison without charge, trial or conviction to be much more of a danger to democracy than the political enemies themselves.

YMMV.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:03 PM

RobertEarl (2,929 posts)

32. Who said no trial?

Why do you feel you have to make stuff up?

He should be charged, have a fair trial and then be thrown in prison.

He is not my friend. He is my enemy, Is he your friend or an enemy?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #32)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:06 PM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

36. On a personal level, neither

He's a political opponent, a man with a leadership role in an opposing political party. Politically, he's an enemy. On a personal level, he's nothing to me.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:47 PM

Star Member former9thward (6,443 posts)

21. Since Cantor is our "enemy" do you want all of our enemies thrown in Prison?

Or better yet, shot without trial? Tell us what you really want.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:52 PM

RobertEarl (2,929 posts)

24. Prison is an apt place, yes.

What? You think he is not a criminal?

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:57 PM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

27. Thinking someone is a criminal

doesn't meet the standard. When charges are brought and he's found guilty, then throw him under the jail.

If you have proof of his criminal activity, I would recommend contacting the FBI in DC ASAP. You should be able to Google their number.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:01 PM

RobertEarl (2,929 posts)

29. FBI is on him now

What you forget is that Bush, et al, including Cantor, are criminals. They just have not been convicted yet.

What drives you to be so coddling of these criminals?

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:03 PM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

31. Examples of where I'm coddling them? n/t

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:02 PM

Star Member former9thward (6,443 posts)

30. So you re saying all non-Democrats are criminals?

In addition to your disgust for the Constitution are you in the prison business? We will need a lot of them to house about 100 million people.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:04 PM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

34. Apparenty so

I also learned today that it's treasonous to actually know the definition of treason.

I'm very upset with my fifth grade history teacher for not making it clear to me that by educating me, he was making me a criminal.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:05 PM

RobertEarl (2,929 posts)

35. No. But Cantor is

You do know what website you are on, right?

And somehow this wisdom disturbs you?

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:10 PM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

37. If you have proof he's a criminal, turn him in

Why are so overwrought about this? Submit the evidence, and let the investigation begin.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:14 PM

Star Member former9thward (6,443 posts)

38. Yes Mr. 1650 posts I know what website I am on.

I think you should read the Constitution, if you can stomach it, and then we can talk about "wisdom", something which you have not shown in any of your posts on this thread.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:20 PM

RobertEarl (2,929 posts)

40. Cantor is my enemy

He has done what he could do keep Obama from making progress. He has supported the possible theft of my vote. He supports the Bush criminal activities.

What is he to you?

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:27 PM

Star Member former9thward (6,443 posts)

41. A political opponent.

But please continue with your obsession.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:37 PM

Star Member Honeycombe8 (18,012 posts)

16. Depends on whose duty it was to inform the W.H. Cantor was informed because of his committee

position or something.

No one probably wanted to interfere with the election, either. The W.H. was told on Wednesday. Cantor was told on Tuesday, I think.

Could be the FBI's duty to tell the W.H. Dunno.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:37 PM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

45. I would have thought the FBI would have informed the White House

If there was an investigation going on at the time Cantor found it, which it appears there was, the FBI may have told him to keep his mouth shut.

Who knows at this point, but it will have to come out in the end.

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:59 PM

Star Member Honeycombe8 (18,012 posts)

52. I have since learned that Cantor learned about it in OCTOBER. From an FBI friend? Hmmmm. nt

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:15 PM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

53. He learned about it from another Congressman

and then called the guy from the FBI that had gone to the other Congressman.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:19 PM

Blue4Texas (437 posts)

39. Whether he followed protocol or not is the issue

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:29 PM

Tippy (4,405 posts)

42. Display article list Petraeus news hit Feinstein like 'lightning bolt'

She is mad as hell she was not contacted...

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:31 PM

Star Member Sunlei (2,297 posts)

43. investigate right away. Bring charges against them if merited

Someone else should be assigned Leader and any other involved positions so they don't delay our Govs time.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:34 PM

Star Member Rex (34,714 posts)

44. He was waiting for his leader, Mittens to win.

If he doesn't lose his job over this...hahaha WHO am I kidding!? Repukes are criminal scum, they never pay for their crimes against the State.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:45 PM

FarCenter (13,090 posts)

46. The FBI is the part of the executive branch that is responsible for counterintelligence.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:52 PM

Wellstone ruled (1,156 posts)

47. Was this the Gobbers October Surprise?

Part and Parcel of Issa's bullshit Libya diatribe. Cantor is done politically,remember Jane the Harmon.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:49 PM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

48. Based on this logic and per Dianne Feinstein's comments I guess the FBI is guilty of treason

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548156/petraeus-news-hit-feinstein-like-lightning-bolt/

"It was like a lightning bolt," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who leads the Senate intelligence Committee and planned to have Petraeus testify this week on the Sept. 11 attack that killed the U.S. ambassador in Libya and three other Americans.


Feinstein, D-Calif., said she first learned of Petraeus' affair from the media late last week and was dumbstruck when Petraeus confirmed the affair to her in a telephone call Friday. She said she has since been briefed by the FBI but wants to know why the bureau didn't notify her sooner that the CIA chief was at the center of a serious inquiry.

"We are very much able to keep things in a classified setting," she told "Fox News Sunday." "At least if you know, you can begin to think and then to plan. And, of course, we have not had that opportunity."

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:52 PM

Star Member Jackpine Radical (36,575 posts)

49. Covering up the potential vulnerability of a person in Petraeus' position is arguably

"giving aid and comfort to the enemy." For example, he could have been blackmailed by hostile foreign entities into giving false information or not taking proper action in a case involving--well--who knows?

Sorta like someone tells you there's a bomb on a battleship & you over it up.

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:53 PM

Star Member amborin (11,717 posts)

50. yes; it also suggests the FBI has too much autonomy and is aligned with Cantor, and not under Prez c

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control

more here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021792169

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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:56 PM

Star Member SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)

51. Yes as in it's treason? n/t

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