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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:08 AM

REPORT: Boehner Tells House Members That GOP Lost Badly, And That They Can't Afford Debt Showdown

http://www.businessinsider.com/report-boehner-tells-gop-house-members-to-avoid-a-major-showdown-2012-11



This is the first hint that the GOP will not attempt to go to the mat in the Fiscal Cliff fight, as it did during the debt ceiling fight of 2011.

Jonathan Weisman and Jennifer Steinhauer at the NYT report that Boehner told his caucus to get in line, and acknowledge the reality that the GOP got whooped in the election, and is weakened:

'Their party lost, badly, Mr. Boehner said, and while Republicans would still control the House and would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases as Congress grapples with the impending fiscal battle, they had to avoid the nasty showdowns that marked so much of the last two years.

Members on the call, subdued and dark, murmured words of support ó even a few who had been a thorn in the speakerís side for much of this Congress.'

The array of tax hikes and spending cuts that will come into force in January is of serious concern in an economy that remains quite weak, with high unemployment.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/report-boehner-tells-gop-house-members-to-avoid-a-major-showdown-2012-11#ixzz2Bv32KoIS

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Reply REPORT: Boehner Tells House Members That GOP Lost Badly, And That They Can't Afford Debt Showdown (Original post)
xchrom Nov 2012 OP
TVet Nov 2012 #1
charmay Nov 2012 #2
CBHagman Nov 2012 #8
brush Nov 2012 #13
trouble.smith Nov 2012 #3
Freddie Nov 2012 #4
drm604 Nov 2012 #5
Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #17
FSogol Nov 2012 #6
Heather MC Nov 2012 #19
oldbanjo Nov 2012 #21
DCBob Nov 2012 #7
Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #9
SDjack Nov 2012 #10
flamingdem Nov 2012 #34
bunnies Nov 2012 #11
ReRe Nov 2012 #29
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #33
alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #12
AlinPA Nov 2012 #14
Volaris Nov 2012 #22
AlinPA Nov 2012 #36
Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #15
Osiris Neits Nov 2012 #16
classof56 Nov 2012 #25
Botany Nov 2012 #18
Dustlawyer Nov 2012 #20
theaocp Nov 2012 #24
SCVDem Nov 2012 #23
Thinkingabout Nov 2012 #26
Tutonic Nov 2012 #27
Progressive dog Nov 2012 #28
Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #30
magical thyme Nov 2012 #31
Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #32
Paulie Nov 2012 #35
magical thyme Nov 2012 #37
trouble.smith Nov 2012 #38
magical thyme Nov 2012 #39
trouble.smith Nov 2012 #41
hfojvt Nov 2012 #40
one_voice Nov 2012 #42

Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:12 AM

1. Good! They got their -sses kicked

Now they are waking up that everyone is tired of "The Party of No."

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:29 AM

2. but they will continue their blustering phoney worrying about the deficit while using terms like

entitlements, job creators, fiscal cliff etc. All the while protecting tax cuts for the rich and attacking the middle class and poor.

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Response to charmay (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:49 AM

8. Then we must use "retirement and health care" as opposed to "entitlements."

And we must demand those with top incomes have their taxes restored back to a proportionate share. Frame it as a fairness issue and keep it coming.

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Response to CBHagman (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:18 AM

13. Let's also use the term "paid benefits" for SS and Medicare because that's what they are. nt

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:34 AM

3. I will be shocked if he quietly acquiesces on the tax issue.

 

I think both sides will work together to find a way to disagree so that neither side is left without plausible deniability when the blame game starts.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:40 AM

4. He's scared sh*tless about 2014. Good.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:40 AM

5. This sounds like more doublespeak to me.

'Their party lost, badly, Mr. Boehner said, and while Republicans would still control the House and would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases as Congress grapples with the impending fiscal battle, they had to avoid the nasty showdowns that marked so much of the last two years.
They're going to avoid showdowns while staunchly opposing tax rate increases? How does that work?

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Response to drm604 (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:41 AM

17. He's throwing a piece of meat

to the Party Faithful. They can "staunchly oppose" what they want in public but the politicos w/i the Republican Party know what time it is. They got their asses kicked and they're stuck, for the moment, with the TeaKlanners and uber-Conservatives. That's who he's talking to.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:43 AM

6. So America is no longer ending if Obama passes a single bill?

You and your party's action have been nothing less than treasonous the last 4 years, Boehner. Best retire in 2014.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:50 AM

19. i believe he will be forced into retirement in 2014

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Response to FSogol (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:55 AM

21. They should be arrested for what they have already done

to this Country.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:43 AM

7. I thought this was coming.

They are being pressured from almost all sides to make a deal... especially the CEOs and billionaires who stand to lose alot of their obscene wealth if we go over the "cliff".

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:02 AM

9. Both his and Cantor's states

 

voted for Obama.

The Republicans are feeling the pressure, we have to increase that pressure all the time.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:03 AM

10. Was Eric Cantor trying to throw gasoline on Boner during the call? Did Cantor

fall into line?

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Response to SDjack (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:13 PM

34. I wonder if Cantor was the "thorn in the side" described

in the article.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:06 AM

11. I'll believe it when I see it.

Pardon my skepticism.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:11 AM

29. How soon we forget Cantor's ambitions...

... Mr Tea party himself... He wants to sit where Boehner is sitting, as Speaker of the House. Incidentally, that may be what Boehner is trying to do...to keep Cantor/Tea Party in check. I think maybe Boehner is thinking about the history books at this point... his legacy as the Speaker of the House? Nahhhhh. Maybe I'm biased (I am ), but I can't imagine that his term as Speaker could be interpreted as a success. As far as the country goes, his (and McConnell's Sen leadership) tenure could be truthfully described as a total failure, since they would not work with the House/Sen Democrats to pass desperately needed legislation to create jobs, or any number of other bills that are just sitting there, ready to to be debated and passed. Besides that, I'm hearing mixed messages out of Boehner's mouth, seems like every day since the election. But it all comes back to this: They can't be trusted. Their party screwed this country for 8 long years before PO was elected, and for the last two years have stopped everything... They were soooooooo sure that PO would be defeated. They were banking on it. But they fell flat on their faces, are in disarray, and frankly probably don't know what to do now. It is so dangerous to have such crazed political zealots holding this country back.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:04 PM

33. Same here. If Boner doesn't become an american and work for the best interests of the country, then

when his party stands for re-election in 2014, we need to in modification of the words of the Ragin Cajun, "We need to make oak meet skull". The actual statement was pine meet skull, but I think oak is stronger and harder and delivers a better message.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:07 AM

12. Top tax rate increase. Period. Full stop. End of conversation.

This is the compromise: taxes remain at current levels for households under $250,000, and individuals under $200,000.

That's the compromise position.

Boehner can eat a top tax rate return to fiscally responsible levels, or he can eat a tax rate return to fiscally responsible levels for everyone. Those are his options.

Obama should let the tax rates return to fiscally responsible levels, then put it on the House to pass a temporary cut for income under the threshold. Finis. No other negotiation is necessary.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:28 AM

14. Boehner's days as speaker are numbered. Teabaggers will kick him out and put in a more fervent

right-winger. They will not abide any compromise. He's far right, but there are others more rabid.

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:55 AM

22. I don't think there are enough 'Baggers in the cacucs to oust him anymore..

besides, if he has any respect for his own Manhood, he will tell them "Fuck you, we tried it your way for 2 years and look where that got us. Now, were doing it the OTHER way (the RESPONSIBLE way) and if you don't like it, ill show up in your district in a year, and endorse a Moderate Primary challenger, and you can kiss my Mr. Speaker ASS.

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Response to Volaris (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:39 PM

36. There are not enough moderates left in the GOP House to fill a Chevey van. Boehner is not a

moderate, either.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:30 AM

15. 2 choices. Let *ush tax cuts expire. Taxes up accross the board. Tax $250,000+ @ Clinton rates.

Those making $250,000+ CAN afford it and while there will be whining and retaliation of some sort, it won't be as bad as raising taxes on EVERYONE because they can BLAME Obama if they compromise and will have to TAKE the blame if they don't.


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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:40 AM

16. subdued and dark

 

Members on the call, subdued and dark, murmured words of support ó even a few who had been a thorn in the speakerís side for much of this Congress.'


Oh, how I have waited for those teabilly thugs to be knocked down a few pegs. I felt a rush of joy reading these words. Does that make me a bad person?

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Response to Osiris Neits (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:34 AM

25. No, because I too feel that rush of joy I've been waiting to feel for far too long.

And I'm certainly not a bad person!

Welcome to DU!

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:43 AM

18. Boner knows if it wasn't for the post 2010 election Gerrymandering the Rs would have

..... lost the House too. Look @ Ohio we went for Obama, we went for Sen. Brown,
and Dems out number Repugs by a nice margin and yet we only have 4 of the 16
Congressional seats.

The President has the bully pulpit and he can bash a do nothing Congress big time.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:55 AM

20. We need to be ready when Obama serves up our SS to compromise.

We have to let him know it is not on the table! Fuck raising the age above when we all die. Ask a mechanic or a garbage man to work longer, their bodies cannot do it! It defeats the purpose to keep it out of reach!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:30 AM

24. You have to actually connect to these people

before you can empathize with them. Obama wants the grand bargain so bad. Why? Who the fuck knows? I might be branded a traitor for suggesting the obvious. Sorry.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:04 AM

23. They need to get over their

fixation on religion and women.

That's all they focused on for the last 2 years.

I want our President to start a budget speech with the remark, "About being a one term President...", and then look directly at McConnell. Then smile!

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:36 AM

26. Boehner should take a stand, tell Grover Norquist to jump over the cliff.

If Grover targets the oath takers for defeat, it will probably result in Democrats getting many of those positions. What control will Grover have over Democrats, NONE. Go ahead Grover, deliver Congress to Democrats.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:58 AM

27. He's throwing up pieces of solid food...I'll beleive him

when he's throwing up bile.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:07 AM

28. Actions will speak louder than words

He has and probably will do anything to remain speaker. I expect that the so-called fiscal cliff will be driven over before Boehner will be forced to act. If and when he does act, his days as speaker will be all over but the voting.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:14 AM

30. Much as it pains me to say this...

The White House needs to support Boehner. Conservative Republican that he is, he's one of the last "adults in the room" in the Republican Party. If Boehner falls victim to a "palace coup," you can bet that whoever takes his place will be even worse.

Edit: Just did some looking. I went to the League of Conservation Voters Congressional Scorecard because the environment should be at least a little more non-partisan than, say, abortion rights. And some of those Republicans are hunters and have a healthy respect for habitats.

Not so much. The highest-ranked Republican was Chris Smith from New Jersey, who clocked in at only 60%. Better than many Democrats, but still not very promising for the "head of the class." Smith and Frank LoBiondo (also of New Jersey) were the only two Republicans who came in at better than 50%.

Just for the record, Jane Harmon of California was the lowest-ranked Democrat at just 11%. Really? 11%?

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:33 AM

31. Disagree....

As posted above, the MIC, Wall Street financiers and some others in the billionaires club face major pain if we go "over the fiscal cliff." Far more pain than paying their fare share in taxes would cause.

Therefore, behind the scenes they now have President Obama's back. They did everything they could to get rid of him...he now holds a sledge hammer over their heads as well as the house. The difference is they're smart enough to realize it.

By going public early and drawing a line in the sand, President Obama doesn't need to get ugly and he hasn't negotiated away the store before even sitting at the negotiating table. He has put it on the house to act like grown ups or face the wrath of their financial backers.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:45 AM

32. President Obama can't pass legislation in the House. Boehner can.

And Boehner is going to need some political cover fire to get this done.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #32)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:19 PM

35. He can't pass anything.

He couldn't bargain in good faith with then President. When he tried he got spanked by the baggers during the debt ceiling manufactured crisis. Unless he brings people who will vote with the Dems nothing will be passed by him.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #32)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:21 PM

37. Again, when President Obama lets the Bush tax cuts expire and the MIC gets their budget cuts

and the Wall Streeters feel the market swoon, they will come down on the Tea Partiers like a guinea hen on a tick.

The rightwing nutcases depend on the financial backing of the 1%. They are the ones that need the deal and control the votes.

Conversely, after President Obama lets all the cuts expire, he can offer a tax cut on the first $250K of income (or, if he's smart, on the first $150K of income) combined with restoration of military and social spending to the house to take or leave.

President Obama set them up. They took the bait because they were so sure they'd replace him with one of their nutjobs. Now its game on, and since President Obama set the trap, I suspect he knows how to work it. In fact, given that his first move out of the box was to draw a line in the sand, I'm sure he knows how to work it.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #37)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:08 PM

38. after last week, there is no TEA party really. they were the biggest losers in 2012.

 

They have just yet to figure it out.

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Response to trouble.smith (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:20 PM

39. 60% of republicans now agree with them. They still hold the House hostage...however

neocon William Kristol is already calling for them to compromise and suggesting a little tax increase on millionaires and billionaires won't destroy the economy.

I had barely posted the above, when I saw the national standard article. I didn't think it would take long for pnac to see the handwriting on the wall.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:29 PM

41. They can agree all they want. They're all powerless and inefectual now.

 

They imploded and took their agenda and their party down with them. they're fucked as is every issue they care about.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:29 PM

40. I don't like it

this, is the key battle "Republicans would still control the House and would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases"

So in his statement here, Boehner is just angling for a deal that creates some kind of "revenue increasing 'reform'" while maintaining low rates for the rich.

And my fear continues to be that Obama and leading Democrats would take such a deal rather than fighting for the working class and against the rich.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:32 PM

42. K&R

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