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Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:24 PM

Wait, What?!! "What’s Up with White Women?" (= title of article)

What’s Up with White Women? They Voted for Romney, Too

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I, for one, know a lot of weird white dudes, and the fact that Romney led Obama in their demographic by twenty-seven points—sixty-two per cent to thirty-five per cent—amply justifies all the attention it is receiving. But it turns out that, purely on the basis of their voting patterns, a similar question could also be asked about white women, or most of them. One of the least commented-upon aspects of the election returns is that well over fifty per cent of Caucasian females voted for Romney, too. Not as many of them as white men, of course, but a solid majority. Indeed, as a proportion of the total, more white women voted for Romney on Tuesday than voted for George W. Bush, in 2004, or for John McCain, in 2008.

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While the overall gender gap played a significant role in ensuring Obama’s reëlection, it didn’t have very much to do with white women, who remain one of the bulwarks of the Republican Party.

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In 2004, Bush got fifty-five per cent of the white female vote, and Kerry got forty-four per cent—a “reverse gender gap” (one working in the G.O.P.’s favor) of eleven points. In 2008, McCain got fifty-three per cent of the white female vote, and Obama got forty-six per cent—a gap of seven points. Compared to four years earlier, the reverse gender gap in this demographic had decreased by four points, indicating that the Democrats were making progress in attracting the votes of white women. But this year, that trend turned around again. Far from narrowing further, the reverse gender gap among white women widened to fourteen points. Romney got fifty-six per cent of the white female vote; Obama got just forty-two per cent.

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But it indicates that Romney did make a bit of progress in attracting female voters, even as his own evolving stance on abortion and birth control, as well as the outrageous remarks of Republicans like Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock, made his task more difficult.

And that progress was wholly due to his success in appealing to white women.


Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2012/11/why-white-women-voted-for-romney.html#ixzz2BsuZyhAt


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Reply Wait, What?!! "What’s Up with White Women?" (= title of article) (Original post)
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 OP
MichiganVote Nov 2012 #1
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 #3
HockeyMom Nov 2012 #2
AlGoreRhythms Nov 2012 #4
liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #5
luv_mykatz Nov 2012 #6
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 #7
BumRushDaShow Nov 2012 #8
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 #9
justiceischeap Nov 2012 #10
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 #11
JVS Nov 2012 #12
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 #13
JVS Nov 2012 #15
meow2u3 Nov 2012 #14
liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #16

Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:31 PM

1. SOME white women, not all.

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Response to MichiganVote (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:41 PM

3. I (white guy) voted for Obama twice, BUT...

en masse, white women, like white men, have some ways to go, yet.

Who knew???

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:33 PM

2. His "I am a small business owner" commerical

with the Queen Ann lookalike. They were, or wanted to be, small business owners, and be just like Ann and RICH.

Just my take on it.

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:45 PM

4. I'm not sure about women in other states,

but in Florida Rmoney ran an ad about how "pro-woman" he was. It was on constantly and undoubtedly got a few votes for him.

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:46 PM

5. there are white women out there that have bought into the conservative lie

that black poor people don't want to work and that the latino down the street will steal her husband's job and that a woman's body is nothing more than a vessel for birthing babies.

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:01 AM

6. He NEVER appealed to this white woman!

How could ANY woman vote for ANY Repuke? They are anti-woman, anti-Earth, anti-body...they have absolutely NOTHING to offer any woman, anywhere.

Get a grip, Sisters! The Repukes HATE us, and will only be happy when we are completely enslaved.

Read the Dominionist web sites. Absolute subjugation and slavery are what they have planned for ALL women!

I began voting 40 years ago. I have NEVER voted Repuke, not ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wake up! The Teahadist Taliban do NOT have the well-being or rights of women as part of their agenda. Color does not count here...they hate us ALL!!!

Sorry about all the exclamation points, but this issue really burns me up. Life in this country could be so much better, if women would just stand together and exercise our power, both economic and voting, which our predecessors in the women's movements fought and died for.

Never go backwards!

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:27 AM

7. Melissa Harris Perry's show outs white women

Melissa's guest (African-American woman; I don't know her name) said you can't treat women as a single voting block, you have to break them out by race, too. And white women went for Romney over Obama. (Melissa confirmed.)

Liz Winstead looks shell shocked. Why wouldn't she?

Seriously, who knew???

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:35 AM

8. Racism.

It's still alive and well no matter what gender. That "dark-skinned visual" is much too much for some to absorb.

I do applaud ALL of the white population who enthusiastically supported President Obama and voted for him. For many many decades, about the best that a black candidate could get was about 25% - 30% of the white vote in those areas of the country where blacks were even competitive, so that extra 10 - 15% that turned out for candidates like Barack Obama nationally, have been most heartening.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:57 AM

9. race trumps gender, science, economics, domestic and foregin policy, and honesty

Could there be another explanation?

Sad.

Having said that, you said it best: it is heartening that more whites are turning out for candidates like Barack Obama nationally

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:01 PM

10. Are these the married white women or the single white women?

If you're going to break down the female voting block by race, then you should break it down to single and married as well.

BTW, this pasty white woman has now voted for Barack Obama twice and I'd vote for him daily if need be when you look at what's to offer in comparison.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:09 PM

11. No, you don't.

Non-white women carried the day. If not for them and other minorities, white men AND white WOMEN would have elected Romney.

The truth doesn't make me feel good, either.

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:06 PM

12. White women with no college degrees (which probably skews to being older too)

"To be sure, these voters weren’t, in the main, the sort of women who write for the Times, or even read it. Among white female college graduates, Obama voters may have been in the majority. (In the versions of the national exit poll that I have seen, that category isn’t broken down.) But the fact remains that white females, taken as a whole, went solidly Republican. While the overall gender gap played a significant role in ensuring Obama’s reëlection, it didn’t have very much to do with white women, who remain one of the bulwarks of the Republican Party"


This is Joe 6pack's wife.

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Response to JVS (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:03 PM

13. Yes, if you want to break white women into smaller voting blocks...

The *much* larger block -- that which broke heavily for Romney -- is made up of wealthier, older, more religious, and more racist white women. Clearly, more white women were college educated in 2012 than 2008 and 2004, but Romney outperformed both McCain and Bush with white women. All things considered, namely his stance toward abortion, and "the outrageous remarks of Republicans like Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock," I found the reverse gender gap most startling.

ALL white women
2004 Bush 55%, Kerry 44%
2008 McCain 53%, Obama 46%
2012 Romney 56%, Obama 42%

Even then, though, the gender gap needs interpreting carefully. It isn’t accurate to say that women as a whole are suddenly turning their backs on the G.O.P., and that this explains Romney’s defeat. The gender gap isn’t anything new. According to the exit polls, it was actually a bit bigger in 2008, when Obama got fifty-six per cent of the female vote and John McCain got forty-three per cent. Given the margin of error attached to these polls, a difference of two points—a thirteen per cent gender gap in 2008 versus an eleven per cent gender gap in 2012—isn’t statistically meaningful. But it indicates that Romney did make a bit of progress in attracting female voters, even as his own evolving stance on abortion and birth control, as well as the outrageous remarks of Republicans like Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock, made his task more difficult.

And that progress was wholly due to his success in appealing to white women. If Romney had exhibited similar strength in appealing to non-white females, particularly Hispanics, it would have made a big difference, but he couldn’t manage it. To the contrary, he did worse than his Republican predecessors. In 2004, more than a third of Hispanic women voted for Bush, and in 2008, thirty per cent of them voted for John McCain. This year, just twenty-three per cent of Hispanic women voted for Romney.

Why did so many white women vote for Romney despite his shift to the right on women’s issues during the G.O.P. primaries? One way to tackle this question is to ask why so many white men voted for him. Surely, many of the same factors that motivated white male Romney supporters played into the decision-making of white female Romney supporters. After all, in many cases, the members of the two groups are married to each other, and are shaped by the same cultural and economic environment. (To be clear, I am not suggesting that white women vote Republican because their husbands do. Women make up their own minds.)

Without much doubt, attitudes about race—and even outright racism—played a role, although one that is hard to quantify. But it’s far from the only thing. Income is important. On average, white men and women tend to be richer than non-whites, and voting Republican is strongly correlated with income. (In families that made less than a hundred thousand dollars a year, Obama won by eight points. In families that made more than a hundred thousand dollars a year, Romney won by ten points.) Age is another factor. Whites, on average, tend to be older than non-whites, and older people (male and female) tend to vote Republican in greater numbers. Religion is also part of the story. Most white women, like most white men, are churchgoing Christians, a group that is strongly Republican—especially evangelicals, who voted for Romney by almost four to one. Then there is ideology. Just as there are conservative men, there are conservative women.

Of course, all these factors were also present in 2008. The reason Romney did a bit better than McCain among white women is probably that they viewed him as a stronger candidate on economic issues, which are as important to women as to men. Or maybe they just saw him as a more plausible President than the aging war hero.

The key point is that voting against Obama wasn’t just a white-guy thing. A whole range of racial, cultural, and economic factors contribute to the dislike of the President among various chunks of the white population—particularly the chunk that resides inland and away from the big cities. White men may be particularly prone to Obama-phobia, but they aren’t the only ones. Unfortunately, many of their wives, daughters, and girlfriends feel the same way.



So it appears the biggest factor is that white women -- old and *young,* alike -- got wealthier from 2004 to 2012. Secondarily, as they got older, they became more conservative. One way of looking at this is that, over this span, all white women became more educated: more white women in their 60s today have college degrees than they did 30 years ago. The same is true of younger white women. Again, it appears that white, college educated women become more conservative as they grow wealthier and older. In the end, not much different than white men. But considering the way women are treated by Republicans, I find this truly startling.

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:12 PM

15. I pointed that out because the reason that people are surprised by the info is that it's a...

group that has a very low public profile. People don't think about them, but these are the women out there waiting tables, cutting hair, working retail, etc. We don't see this group depicted much on TV, maybe Roseanne (who although personally liberal comes from the milieu). The soccer mom is decidedly a more upscale suburbanite. I think the reason that many here are shocked by this is that they typically find themselves associating with more educated and affluent people. These women and their husbands are the ones that rw blowhards appeal to when calling democrats "elitist".

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:11 PM

14. THIS white woman voted for the President nt

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:15 PM

16. me too and I'm a stay at home mom

a voting block that the republicans normally count on.

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