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Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:35 PM

Hey liberals: Cutting Social Security and Medicare is wrong no matter who does it.

Obama and Boehner will negotiate over whether the wealthiest Americans should pay a little more. One thing they seem to agree on: working families must accept cuts.

They are talking about cutting Social Security cost of living increases, and also raising the retirement age for Medicare. I don't think we would have ever let George Bush get away with this.

Why are liberals keeping quiet through this, I don't understand.

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Reply Hey liberals: Cutting Social Security and Medicare is wrong no matter who does it. (Original post)
limpyhobbler Nov 2012 OP
RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #1
alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #5
PETRUS Nov 2012 #2
alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #3
limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #9
alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #10
Dragonfli Nov 2012 #15
krawhitham Nov 2012 #19
dchill Nov 2012 #29
limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #32
Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #37
limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #40
eridani Nov 2012 #60
hay rick Nov 2012 #12
joshcryer Nov 2012 #18
Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #26
MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #52
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #55
eridani Nov 2012 #61
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #66
eridani Nov 2012 #69
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #72
eridani Nov 2012 #73
Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #4
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #6
Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #30
eridani Nov 2012 #62
Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #68
whathehell Nov 2012 #8
HockeyMom Nov 2012 #7
ReRe Nov 2012 #11
Dragonfli Nov 2012 #14
ReRe Nov 2012 #46
Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #13
limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #34
krawhitham Nov 2012 #16
Dragonfli Nov 2012 #17
Odin2005 Nov 2012 #20
upi402 Nov 2012 #21
mckara Nov 2012 #22
and-justice-for-all Nov 2012 #23
eridani Nov 2012 #63
heaven05 Nov 2012 #24
Rain Mcloud Nov 2012 #25
Amonester Nov 2012 #27
limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #33
Amonester Nov 2012 #35
limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #42
Amonester Nov 2012 #48
woo me with science Nov 2012 #39
Amonester Nov 2012 #49
woo me with science Nov 2012 #51
99Forever Nov 2012 #28
tjwash Nov 2012 #31
Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #36
woo me with science Nov 2012 #38
dflprincess Nov 2012 #41
mmonk Nov 2012 #43
woo me with science Nov 2012 #44
MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #54
woo me with science Nov 2012 #64
USMCMustang Nov 2012 #45
democrattotheend Nov 2012 #47
Amonester Nov 2012 #50
democrattotheend Nov 2012 #67
MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #53
quinnox Nov 2012 #56
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #57
beachbumbob Nov 2012 #58
eridani Nov 2012 #59
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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:39 PM

1. Why did they ever even touch our retirement? We should have had a lock box

 


What the hell gives them the right to take our money for their wars, big government and tax cuts?

Why don't we take their retirement to pay down the debt, after all, THEY spent the money.

This expecting us and future generations to pay for the crap that they put on the credit card while giving themselves cash advances..has got to stop.

This is unacceptable.

They spent the money, they can pay it back through large tax hikes on the people that looted the economy.

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Response to RepublicansRZombies (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:49 PM

5. THe OP's laughable speculation is ridiculous?

Why, yes, I agree.

"This is unacceptable. "

Well, no, the OP's laughable speculation is, unfortunately, acceptable.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:45 PM

2. Are you sure?

What if Santa Claus is the one who does it?

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:48 PM

3. We're back to this shit?

before the Super Committee and Sequester were established, every so-called progressive on this board was screaming that Obama was ready to cut Social Security and Medicare. never happened. Both were explicitly excluded from the sequester.

Now this shit again?

It's not going to happen.

What will happen? Many of the same people will make fools of themselves again with these asinine predictions.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:33 PM

9. Then he could easily say: "No cuts to Social Security and Medicare"

...and then everyone could relax.

But you gotta admit he seems open to the idea cutting these benefits, by the chained CPI, or by raising the retirement age.

The President should commit to veto any cuts to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or Veterans benefits.

If he would commit to that, he would be doing the job we elected him to do.

But he won't say that, so it seems like he will not veto cuts. He will allow cuts as part of a deal.

The sequester is not going to happen. At a minimum Obama and Boehner will need to reach a temporary deal and kick the ball down the road a few months.

This all seems non-controversial to me, just matters of fact, not opinion.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:38 PM

10. As I said last time, we shall see what will happen

The hand-wringers were wrong, as usual.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:27 PM

15. Last time the Republicans turned down the cuts, not POTUS, he was the one offering them.

What if they agree this time?

from his "moderate" leaders of our party:

In short, without changes, the inter-generational promise of Social Security—our nation’s most important social insurance program—is a false one.

This idea brief summarizes the trouble with Social Security, and proposes a “Savings-Led” Social Security reform plan that actually increases the program’s progressivity. Our plan makes roughly two dollars in benefit reductions for every one dollar in revenue increases, and achieves solvency while enhancing economic growth.


http://www.thirdway.org/subjects/145/publications/363

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:49 PM

19. the administration has, people just refuse to listen

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-vows-defend-medicare-social-security-154147418--election.html

....

Last week Vice President Joe Biden did a courageous thing, he promised an audience in southern Virginia that there will be no cuts whatsoever to Social Security in a second Obama Administration. He used the strongest possible language, telling customers at a local diner: “I guarantee you, flat guarantee you, there will be no changes in Social Security. I flat guarantee you.”


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Response to krawhitham (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:38 PM

29. Biden said "flat"

That is that.

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Response to krawhitham (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:55 PM

32. "tweak"

the President said he wants to "tweak" social security, so how does that square up with Biden's comment?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/03/politics/debate-transcript/index.html


I interpret tweaking as reducing the COLA, cost of living adjustments, by adopting the chained CPI.

What other tweaking is there?

That also leaves Medicare. The President offered last year to raise the Medicare retirement age.

btw the chained CPI could also affect increases for other benefits like veterans benefits.

It also leaves Medicaid exposed for cuts.

If Biden's comment is enough for you, ok, but for me it's not very reassuring.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:17 PM

37. You "tweak" the revenue side.....

Raising or eliminating the cap would fix the bulk of the "problem."

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #37)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:20 PM

40. +a billion

That's what they should do. Unfortunately everything is on the table.

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Response to krawhitham (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:39 AM

60. When did he say that the Medicare eligibility age wouldn't be raised?

Raising Medicare age = mass murder on a scale that Al Qaeda couldn't achieve in 100 years. People DIE right now waiting to get on Medicare, ferchrissakes!

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:54 PM

12. Obama in the debates.

Referring to himself and Mr. Romney: "I suspect that on Social Security, we've got a somewhat similar position." Reassuring, no?

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:37 PM

18. The problem is that all those people making that prediction have no shame.

They made the predictions, and when were found to be completely wrong, never apologized for the unnecessary drama. Never admitted they were wrong. Never said that they were fearmongering. Never admitted that they were running with the right wing narrative. They flat out just don't get it.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:08 PM

26. ...

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:23 AM

52. Didn't the President say that he and Romney are in agreement re: Social Security?

I guess that means that Romney thought it should not be cut.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:42 AM

55. Some Democrats are as pissed as the Republicans about "that one" being re-elected, I guess

They desperately want their doom and gloom, so they can look smug and tell people "see, told you do" 'cause they think being a cassandra is something to feather their caps with.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #55)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:42 AM

61. The only thing we are pissed about is hearing about "austerity" bullshit when we just voted

--against that in massive numbers.

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Response to eridani (Reply #61)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:06 AM

66. Get your ears checked, then.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #66)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:25 AM

69. Bad ears is why I haven't heard Obama say no raising Medicare/SocSec age?

Everyone heard him say that his opinions on Social Security weren't all that different from Romney's.

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Response to eridani (Reply #69)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:28 AM

72. I haven't heard him vowing to not nuke Canada, either

OMG OBAMA IS GOING TO BLOW UP OTTAWA FOR SURE!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #72)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:34 PM

73. AFAIK, Obama put SocSec and Medicare on the table, but not nuking Canada n/t

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:48 PM

4. Don't think that we aren't watching.

First of all, I don't think we are all quiet on this. And there will be a lot more noise if it is more than just a rumor.

But I do believe that the Republicans have been successful on one thing, and that is convincing younger people that SS and Medicare will not be there for them. Without the support of the young people, it is much easier to make these changes. But I could give a lecture to these younger people....about what it was like before these programs, and how these programs keep you from having to give a home and financial assistance to your parents, grandparents, older aunts or uncles....all under one roof.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:51 PM

6. And remInd them what happened in 2008

When the stock market tanked if the funds had been privatized

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Response to Blue4Texas (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:41 PM

30. That is a no-brainer.

I cannot believe that anyone would advocate private accounts after what they have seen.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:45 AM

62. That's the one thing we really don't have to worry about

The chained CPI is essentially about bankrupting and killing those who have the gall to live longer than 80 or so years. Since gassing them won't go over very well, just make them poorer every additional year they stay alive and hope they die of poverty.

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Response to eridani (Reply #62)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:17 PM

68. And that is what happened all the time in the past....death by poverty.

I remember my grandmother died from diabetes that was treatable, but she could not afford a doctor and medications until it was too late and she was too sick. Even today, I have a friend with diabetes and has no insurance....and between the insulin and the syringes, it is breaking her (and she uses the syringes for a week instead of just once).

There is something about this whole scenario that I do not want to live to see.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:06 PM

8. You betcha. I'm watching closely, and not at all prepared to be quiet. n/t

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:57 PM

7. I grew up (Only Child) sleeping in a pull out sofa bed

in the living room with my widowed Grandma in a 1 bedroom NYC apartment. She couldn't afford to rent a place of her own UNTIL she was old enough to get Social Security. Eventually she got too old and feeble to work cleaning apartments and caring for rich people's little kids.

Yep, the good old days of the 50s and 60s. If it was the 1850s and 1860s, she would have been in that bed until she died.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:45 PM

11. Limpy Limpy Limpy...

... Where did you get this? It sounds like something straight from Freeperville.
Please provide a link to your basis for this belief (if those are actually your thoughts/words.)

You did get one thing right though.... Most of us are LIBERALS here, and very proud of it!

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Response to ReRe (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:13 PM

14. WE all heard about the grand bargain and Simpson/Bowles

Both are viewed as missed opportunities by the third way and centrists in the party.
President Obama himself was instrumental in the formulation of both.

He is a "moderate" that agrees with such deals.

Or shall we re-write history now pretending his position is different than it actually is?

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:24 AM

46. Beautiful Dragonfli

...that was then, this is now. Elections have consequences, no? Lame duck, and all that, no?
Geez, I thought Simpson-Bowles got voted down. Maybe I'm just tired from a couple weeks of serious politicking. Maybe I just have TOO MUCH hope?


Peace, ReRe

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:57 PM

13. Soc sec is NOT part of the budget, so has nothing to do with the deficit & should be

handled separately, and later.

Medicare...I'm not up on the problems with Medicare. I think the govt acctg office has said there are financial problems with that program, but I'm not sure.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:08 PM

34. good point.

It should be totally separate discussion.

I hope it will be.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:30 PM

16. Hey a lot of fat can be trimmed without any trimming benefits

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Response to krawhitham (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:36 PM

17. SS runs at 1 percent overhead, how much can be cut from that?

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:51 PM

20. THERE WILL BE NO CUTS TO SS AND MEDICARE UNDER OBAMA.

Stop with this shit.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:51 PM

21. Like Clinton pulled off NAFTA and Welfare "Reform" and the Telecom Act

We need to remind him to dance with who brung him.
No 'Grand Bargain' or chaining.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:55 PM

22. Cutting Medicare Should Be Permitted when Adding a Public Option

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:56 PM

23. Sources are appreciated.nt

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Response to and-justice-for-all (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:47 AM

63. Do you really need to see a URL for the debates? n/t

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:04 PM

24. all I know

is that OBama better stand up to the soulless jackasses that call themselves reichwingers. No fucking cuts. I need my social security untouched.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:05 PM

25. Since the ACA is saving so much money

 

Merge the three and lower the retirement age to bring in more unemployed people.
As for Obama gutting Medicare,Medic-aid and SS,don't believe the shenanigans,this smacks of propaganda from the fascists who want it all.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:08 PM

27. For curiosity, did you write a polite request to the President about it?

For curiosity, if yes, did you write the polite request once every day? (I call doing that daily homework.)

And if no, what are you waiting for?

Thanks.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #33)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:12 PM

35. Great then. Call again 7/7 (or email to save $ long-distance). :)

Bob Marley - (Don't Give Up The Fight)
&t=3m25s

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Response to Amonester (Reply #35)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:32 PM

42. Wouldn't hurt to contact congress either

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Maybe we can make sure our "stuff" is protected if we let them know what we really think.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:51 AM

48. Oh yes! Thousands upon thousands daily emails, phone calls, et al, will make a difference.

I don't think they "take the time it takes" to read forums like DU. (Unfortunately).

Congressman Alan Grayson does and he is a member, but he is on our side.

So glad to have him back!

Thousands have to do their daily homework (without expecting replies but you never know, they WILL notice).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1011

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Response to Amonester (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:19 PM

39. "Polite request"?

It's OUR MONEY.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:58 AM

49. Yes, I dunno for you but, impolite emails I get die a fast one...

in the spam folder.

I just guess it's the same for pols (or is there a secret-service folder for extremely impolite emails? Maybe. I don't know).

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Response to Amonester (Reply #49)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:55 AM

51. You, and some of our politicians, seem sorely in need of a reminder

that they work for us and not the other way around. They are elected as our representatives, not as fucking kings.

It is time for the looting of the middle class and the poor to stop. Any politician who takes the attitude you describe toward any email from a constituent does not deserve to hold public office.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:13 PM

28. "Keeping quiet"?????

What fucking planet are you on?

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:47 PM

31. jeebus herbert christmas are you guys back to this shit already?

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:14 PM

36. And unnecessary...

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:18 PM

38. +1000000 No justification, no excuse. Period. nt

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:22 PM

41. " I don't think we would have ever let George Bush get away with this. " Exactly.


Just as "only Nixon" could go to China only a Democrat can attack Social Security and/or Medicare.

And you are correct, it's wrong no matter who does it and we cannot let anyone get by with it - even if they have a "D" after their name.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:41 PM

43. Liberals won't keep quiet.

Democratic Party politicians are a different matter.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #43)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:42 PM

44. And it's not *only* liberals.

AMERICANS, by large margins and across party lines, want Social Security and Medicare benefits protected.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #44)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:29 AM

54. Amazing that most Republicans are to the left of Obama on Social Security.

And health care reform. And most other economic issues.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #54)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:53 AM

64. Isn't it, though.

Isn't it....interesting....how our political system works these days....over and over again.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:48 PM

45. Reid Said It Won't Happen

 

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:44 AM

47. Sorry, but I disagree

I don't want to see these programs cut but they do need to be reformed at some point to keep them solvent. And I don't believe these programs should be more sacrosanct than food stamps, Head Start, public transportation, disaster relief, education, veterans' healthcare, and other important programs. I am not in favor of cuts to Social Security and Medicare but I am not necessarily more opposed to that than I am to cuts to other programs.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:07 AM

50. Easy solutions: eliminate all caps (and I don't mean keyboard keys).

All who have revenues pay their part, and revenues means Income, Pensions, Dividends, Capital gains, et al. ALL revenues.

Then, at the receiving end, those who don't need these programs (those who don't pay them now because they are wealthy enough) will receive them, like everybody else, BUT they will have to pay them back entirely through their yearly tax forms.

Easy, effective, raising revenues, fair.

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Response to Amonester (Reply #50)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:25 PM

67. I don't know if that's entirely fair

To both raise the caps and then set it up so that people who paid a much higher amount don't get any benefit. I am in favor of raising the caps but not means testing. The whole point of the program was supposed to be that everyone pays in and everyone gets back out. It was never designed to be a redistribution program, and turning it into one would erode its popular support and make it much easier politically to cut the benefits in the future.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:28 AM

53. Simpson-Bowles only cuts the average benefit by 22%. Who will miss that paltry amount?

Only a $50,000 lifetime reduction, on average.

Starving and freezing Seniors are a small price to pay for handing more cash to the Job Creators.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:48 AM

56. We have to move the country forward

 

And in the spirit of cooperation, we have to compromise and cut these expensive entitlements.

Why do I think this is the kind of BS we will hear if this does in fact, happen.

I don't know which would be worse, hearing the usual crowd here at DU cheerleading something like this as some sort of great victory, or being told we are just hopeless dreamer lefties and whining because we don't understand how government works if we don't like the grand bargain.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:58 AM

57. kr

 

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:24 AM

58. when the US Govt has deficit issues as large as we have

all options must be on the table. Including SS, medicare and medicaid. I am saying this as a liberal on long time supporter of obama. Spending cuts have to happen and taxes have to go up to close the gap.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #58)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:37 AM

59. Real liberals don't spew right wing talking points

Fuck the deficit. It needs to be ignored entirely until the jobs situation is fixed.

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Response to eridani (Reply #59)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:55 AM

74. ridiculous. Deficits can be brought under control and needs to be done

A real liberal understands all sides of the issues and understands that inaction breeds further complications. Jobs will be factored in with govt spending, tax reform and tax increases. A major reason for the economic growth in 1990's is govt spending was controlled and wasn't sucking the death out of the money supply. Sooner or later interest rates have to increase and that alone will stress the debt and deficit beyond imagination.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #74)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:06 AM

75. So tax the rich already. 91% top marginal rate was good enough for Ike n/t

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #58)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:58 AM

70. Where was all this "fiscal discipline" concern

 

when Reagan and Bushler were each doubling the deficit to pay for their wealth-fare tax cuts and vanity wars? How come it's only when Dems are in office that red-staters start in on their "fiscal discipline" routine, when they're the biggest beneficiaries anyway? Why not just tell them to go to heck, let the cuts kick in, and extend any essential programs by executive order until they cry uncle? Bushler did it all the time and nobody batted an eye.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:56 AM

65. As said above, all he needs to say is

there will be no cuts in SS, Medicare, and Medicaid. Biden's word is non-Bidening, since he's not the President. Sorry. He is STILL trying to woo the right wing into his grand bargain, but AGAIN, he bargains from a position of weakness. You CONCEDE nothing prior to the other side. The Republicans are laughing at us again as our champion gives away the queen as a fucking olive branch. Enjoy defending poor negotiating the next four years.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:35 AM

71. Well for one thing...

We don't know what the bargain will be at the end of the day. Just assuming a doomsday scenario doesn't help anything. Raising the eligibility age for Medicare, however, is not as bad with Obamacare as without it. I say this as a 63 year old person without much left in the way of retirement resources, so this matters a lot to me. In the event that I can't work until I'm 66 or older this will directly affect me, so I'm not making light of it at all. Medicare eligibilty has always been tied to the age at which you can receive full retirement benefits (unless you're on Social Security Disability). Now, as the full benefits age is gradually increasing, the Medicare age is remaining at 65. As it should, but if there absolutely has to be give on this, Obamacare probably makes it a much less catastrophic measure, because subsidies would then be available to you for the interim period. The Kaiser calculator gives you an idea of what that would be.

http://healthreform.kff.org/SubsidyCalculator.aspx

Now I don't know what part of what bargain the Obama would accept, and neither does the OP. The election may have changed things in our favor, so I'm willing to see what happens, but it's clear to me that Obamacare makes possible changes a lot more palatable. And of course, raising the cap should be on the table along with any other changes to SS/Medicare.

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