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Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:11 PM

"She got her claws into [Patraeus]"

Haven't seen this posted yet -

http://www.businessinsider.com/general-petraeus-affair-paula-broadwell-went-from-likable-to-a-shameless-self-promoting-prom-queen-2012-11

"You're a 60 year-old man and an attractive woman almost half your age makes herself available to you that would be a test for anyone. The timing of the rumors of the administration throwing him under the bus after the election is suspect, but in the end I believe she got her claws so to speak in him. He had enough honor to know that a cover-up is much worse than a public admission. As a result, I think he can recover and continue to be a player on the national stage, but she's toast. Her reputation is unrecoverable, in my opinion."

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Reply "She got her claws into [Patraeus]" (Original post)
aletier_v Nov 2012 OP
Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #1
Cirque du So-What Nov 2012 #58
Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #81
slackmaster Nov 2012 #2
jehop61 Nov 2012 #3
Whisp Nov 2012 #4
Horse with no Name Nov 2012 #7
Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #51
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #64
Avalux Nov 2012 #5
Whisp Nov 2012 #70
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #6
HappyMe Nov 2012 #8
Whisp Nov 2012 #72
HappyMe Nov 2012 #83
Whisp Nov 2012 #84
HappyMe Nov 2012 #86
aletier_v Nov 2012 #9
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #11
aletier_v Nov 2012 #20
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #24
aletier_v Nov 2012 #28
MineralMan Nov 2012 #17
aletier_v Nov 2012 #26
seabeyond Nov 2012 #31
MineralMan Nov 2012 #33
yardwork Nov 2012 #41
woodsprite Nov 2012 #38
MyOwnPeace Nov 2012 #10
WiffenPoof Nov 2012 #12
seabeyond Nov 2012 #32
aletier_v Nov 2012 #13
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #16
aletier_v Nov 2012 #22
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #27
seabeyond Nov 2012 #35
aletier_v Nov 2012 #40
seabeyond Nov 2012 #44
Justice Nov 2012 #14
MineralMan Nov 2012 #15
aletier_v Nov 2012 #25
MineralMan Nov 2012 #30
aletier_v Nov 2012 #37
MineralMan Nov 2012 #47
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #18
flamingdem Nov 2012 #19
MattBaggins Nov 2012 #21
Solly Mack Nov 2012 #23
BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #29
Arkansas Granny Nov 2012 #34
aletier_v Nov 2012 #43
seabeyond Nov 2012 #46
redqueen Nov 2012 #56
moriah Nov 2012 #65
seabeyond Nov 2012 #66
MineralMan Nov 2012 #53
Odin2005 Nov 2012 #78
Arkansas Granny Nov 2012 #82
MattBaggins Nov 2012 #90
seabeyond Nov 2012 #36
yardwork Nov 2012 #39
seabeyond Nov 2012 #49
Odin2005 Nov 2012 #79
redqueen Nov 2012 #42
aletier_v Nov 2012 #45
seabeyond Nov 2012 #50
redqueen Nov 2012 #54
Odin2005 Nov 2012 #80
StarryNite Nov 2012 #59
MineralMan Nov 2012 #62
surrealAmerican Nov 2012 #48
aletier_v Nov 2012 #52
madmom Nov 2012 #68
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #55
ann--- Nov 2012 #57
geckosfeet Nov 2012 #60
Bucky Nov 2012 #61
aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2012 #63
rucky Nov 2012 #67
seabeyond Nov 2012 #69
HappyMe Nov 2012 #75
Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #71
leveymg Nov 2012 #73
redqueen Nov 2012 #76
leveymg Nov 2012 #91
Odin2005 Nov 2012 #74
OldEurope Nov 2012 #77
redqueen Nov 2012 #87
Logical Nov 2012 #88
matt819 Nov 2012 #85
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #89
vaberella Nov 2012 #92
arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #93

Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:16 PM

1. Of course, blame the woman...

Here's a thought...if men are so weak-willed and prone to thinking with their little heads, perhaps it's time to replace all of them who are in positions of power with strong-willed women.

When did it become the hallmark of honor to cheat on your wife?

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:26 PM

58. +1000

From an early age, I theorized that the world would be a much better place if women were in charge.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #58)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:17 PM

81. If there were a god,

She would have created men with an "on/off" switch.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:17 PM

2. Sexist. It takes two to tango.

 

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:18 PM

3. I guess

We're supposed to believe this poor little man was helpless when faced with the powers of this evil witch? Such sexism!

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:19 PM

4. yeh sure, women are to blame because men can't keep it in their pants.

 

if he is so bleedin' weak minded, and penis minded, maybe he wasn't such a great military man to begin with.

He is sounding more like an all around liar bush ass kissing jerk in all areas.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:21 PM

7. Good thing she wasn't a spy (hopefully)

considering he was so very weak to the wiles of a beautiful woman.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:19 PM

51. He's lucky she didn't get pregnant. As Judge Judy says, "Keep your pants zipped up!"

It is usually the man, BTW, who makes the first move, esp in his age bracket. It is often the woman's responsibility to spurn the pass.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #51)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:41 PM

64. That is not true about the first move, in my experience.

There have been quite a few women who have hit on my husband knowing full well he was married, completely unsolicited by him. He always tells me about it, because he is absolutely tickled by it and wants me to know how AWESOME and HOT he is, LOL. Edit to add: I think a lot of men do not want to deal with enraged husbands, just a guess.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:20 PM

5. Bullshit. He had a choice and is responsible for it.

Both of them are to blame for participating, but the other woman didn't force him to do anything. It was his choice.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:53 PM

70. I put more blame on Him, afterall he wasn't just a hollywood actor or a plumber

 

he was CIA headcheese.

and his lack of self control could have been, or maybe has, put people in jeopardy.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:20 PM

6. Oh please. They're BOTH selfish assholes. They BOTH dishonored

themselves and ruined their families. Petraeus should suffer more severe consequences because he was in a very important position that required trustworthiness and squeaky clean, careful behavior.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:22 PM

8. They are BOTH to blame.

It takes 2 people to carry on an affair.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:57 PM

72. not equally, his job makes it very unequal

 

she is a writer and he is CIA.

who do you think has more at stake here? his weakness could put many in danger. I'm sure there is an unspoken or tiny font clause in his contract of don't fuck around cuz you don't know who you are fucking around with and what they are after.

he's a weak assed jerkoff moron

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Response to Whisp (Reply #72)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:36 PM

83. I think she's just as much

to blame. They're both weak assed jerk off morons. They both ruined their families. They both had the opportunity to say NO. Neither of them did. She was his biographer, which would kind of indicate to me that she had been background checked and investigated to the hilt by the FBI.
He had more to lose career wise. He's pretty much finished personally and professionally. It remains to be seen if she can recover professionally and personally.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #83)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:43 PM

84. on the personal level I do agree

 

they were both at fault for putting their families in such possible ruin.

but he had a whole lot more to think about than that.
it seems so at this point of info anyway.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #84)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:48 PM

86. Well, the plot thickens.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:22 PM

9. I'm certainly not a Patraeus, but I have seen a propensity

for younger women to pursue older, apparently successful men.

When I traveled a lot
(and had fewer wrinkles and dressed nicer),
I got propositioned three or four times a year.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:23 PM

11. There are plenty of women who will pursue married men. I know this

from personal experience. They lack morals and character--but the married man who RESPONDS equally lacks morals and character.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:35 PM

20. but you have Patraeus with a 37-year history

does that not count for anything?

it does with the credit bureaus.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:40 PM

24. Being pretty familiar with the military lifestyle, I would suspect

that this gal was not Petraeus' first cheat. Might be his last, but probably wasn't his first. He would have gotten away with it in the military (what goes TDY stays TDY), but didn't realize the CIA was a different ballgame.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:44 PM

28. Actually, that did occur to me

Possibly not his first cheat, but certainly his most well-known.

Still, you have to wonder about getting all the way to CIA director.

That's a lot of scrutiny and background checks,
over a long period of time.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:34 PM

17. So? That does happen to business travelers.

And of both sexes. An honorable man simply says, "Sorry. I don't cheat on my wife." And there's an end to that. It is the dishonorable man who seeks out or accepts invitations to cheat. Always. There is no honor in breaking one's marriage vows. None at all.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:43 PM

26. What an interesting, almost Freeper-like moral inflexibility

So the blame is 50/50, regardless of any other factors?

Please say yes and make me smile

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:49 PM

31. in my 20 yr marriage i have had men proposition me.

So?

I said no.

Do you think so many of us of both gender do not have an oppotunity?

The cheat says yes.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:52 PM

33. Give me an example of an affair that is honorable, then.

I'll wait. Yes, the blame is generally evenly divided. All either party has to do is to refuse to cheat and there is no affair. Assuming a consensual act of sex, then both parties have agreed to cheat, an both are at fault. Even if one is unmarried, if the other is married and that's known, then both parties are at fault.

Yes, temptation happens. It certainly has in my life. However, what I do is my responsibility. I have to own it.

After about 10 years of marriage, there was a very powerful attraction between a woman who was part of a musical group I was in and myself. We both recognized it, and flirted with each other a bunch. She was single and I was married. After that attraction was clear and dangerous, we talked about it. I said, "I can't. I won't cheat on my wife." She said, "Good, because I don't have sex with married men." We became friends, instead, but it would only have taken a moment for it to have gone the other way. It would have been easy for us to have jumped each others' bones. We did not. That was harder.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:03 PM

41. Moral inflexibility? You seem rather invested in making this the woman's fault.

I find that interesting. I took your OP to be an objective posting of what somebody else is saying, but you seem to be defending that point of view in this thread.

They are both at fault. The person in the position of power is somewhat more at fault. That means that Bill Clinton was more at fault than Monical Lewinsky. Petraeus is more at fault than his biographer. Etc.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:00 PM

38. Hubby was propositioned when I was standing right next to him at the airport going to a conference.

Seems the lady had her eye on him on the plane and turned out she was heading to the same conference. She tried to get him to meet her for drinks, but she withdrew the invite when he said "My wife and I would love to." Then she had something else to do and made sure she sat way ahead of us in the bus taking us to the hotel.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:23 PM

10. Betray us?

Remember when the wing-nuts went crazy "defending" the general - and impeaching the President who had the nerve to try to cover-up an affair?

Wonder what they're gonna' say about this?

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:27 PM

12. Never Underestimate...

...the power of one's sex drive. On either side.

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Response to WiffenPoof (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:50 PM

32. or assume character. nt

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:28 PM

13. I thought of Monica Lewinsky when I read this article

Bill Clinton is still widely loved,
perhaps more than ever,
but Monica is long-forgotten and shunned.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:31 PM

16. Bill Clinton did a lot of good in the world. Did Monica?

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:37 PM

22. Did Broadwell?

And Monica's future was jinxed after the affair,
she was unable to recover from it
so even if she had been fated to "Do Good"
she never had the chance.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:43 PM

27. Too soon to say what will happen to the people involved here--

but no one is ever going to shed tears for Monica's fate, except maybe Monica.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:53 PM

35. you mis remember. disgusted with monica and a lot disgusted with clinton.

People stood by Clinton cause whatcrepugs did was wrong. But few stood by Clinton's behavior. Clinton was unusable in 2000 and one of the issues for gore

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #35)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:02 PM

40. I remember quite well, Clinton's first election was the last time I participated in politics

I'm speaking of the prediction in the article,
that Patraeus may recover but Broadwell never will.

That's exactly what happened with Bill and Monica.

Look at Bill's reception at the convention,
and how he is perceived now.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #40)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:11 PM

44. well, that is about the given in a patriarchal sexist

woman virgin/whore society.

i do not think anyone is arguing that.

people are arguing your po little weak old man that needs his ego of virility stroked, implying he could not help himself, why would we expect anything more from an old man.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:28 PM

14. What about Jack Welch and his biographer Suzy?

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:29 PM

15. Ridiculous. It takes two to have an affair.

Your attempt to blame the woman exclusively is bogus.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:41 PM

25. Your projection onto me is interesting

I posted the article simply because it's the first
I've seen that interviewed a third party,
and there's a lot of interest here about the affair.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:48 PM

30. I didn't do that. I have no idea who you are or

what you do, and I don't much care.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #30)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:59 PM

37. " Your attempt to blame the woman exclusively is bogus."

Perhaps Romney isn't the only etch-a-sketch in the world.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #37)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:16 PM

47. When someone posts an article here without comment,

I assume that the poster agrees with the article. When that poster later defends the premise, I'm pretty sure of it. When the poster attacks someone who says that the article is wrong by referring to that person as Freeper-like, then I know I'm right.

You've done all three in this thread. Draw your own conclusion.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:35 PM

18. Jay-sus, the sexism and misogyny are almost too much for this liberated

 

male to take.

In fairness to Business Insider, the sexist and misogynist comments are from Be-Tray-Us' colleague (given the false name of "James Downing"). What a friggin' a-hole.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:35 PM

19. Attempt to blame the woman = leave room for Petraeus 2016

nein danke

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:36 PM

21. Oh here we go... Have to smear the woman as a Jezebel

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:37 PM

23. Oh fucking bother.

Blame the woman claptrap.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:44 PM

29. Mostly, I find the book title amusing

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:53 PM

34. Oh, of course they poor guy never had chance.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #34)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:09 PM

43. Well, speaking from experience, it can be quite hard to resist

Culturally speaking. infidelity is much harsher on women than men,
and I think there's a fair amount of biological evidence to explain why,
it's programmed into male DNA to seek many partners,
and programmed into female DNA to enforce a single long-term partner.

I can't remember the book now
but a few years ago there was a cultural/scientific study
about.. ah, here it is.

http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Monogamy-Fidelity-Infidelity-Animals/dp/0805071369

Myth of Monogamy.

An interesting read.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #43)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:14 PM

46. and here it is, the evo biological necessity in the male sex drive. he cant help himself...

edit... i fuckin love my typo edit. instead of typing the evo biological male sex drive, i typed sexist drive. fuckin lmfao. bah hahaha

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #46)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:22 PM

56. LOL!

Eh... to-may-to, to-mah-to

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #46)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:46 PM

65. Okay, that made me spit out my coffee on the laptop.

Poor laptop!

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Response to moriah (Reply #65)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:48 PM

66. i know....

made me laugh, too.

hey, i so owe you. i am so sorry i never got back. you taught me something important. i will get on that today.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #43)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:20 PM

53. So? Yes, it's hard. It's a test of character. All too many men fail

that test all too easily. Everyone gets tempted in one way or another. Those with character and principles don't act on that temptation. Those who do act on such temptations display the weakness of their character, even if only temporarily. Either a person lives according to his or her word or does not.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #43)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:09 PM

78. Evolutionary Psychology is our generation's equivalent of "Race Science" 100 years ago.

Humans are serial monogamists. Polygamy is a behavioral atavism triggered by social stratification.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #43)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:33 PM

82. Sorry, I'm not buying it. He wasn't helpless.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #43)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:55 PM

90. There is squat programmed in our DNA for fidelity

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:55 PM

36. enough about the po weak little old mans ego. nt

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:00 PM

39. This is classic. Blame the woman. The harpy. The shrew. The femme fatale.

The belle dame sans merci. The succubus. The bitch. The harlot. The jezebel.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #39)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:17 PM

49. i think we have 157 more words that will apply to this woman. nt

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Response to yardwork (Reply #39)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:10 PM

79. +100

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:04 PM

42. Certain types of people just LOVE pushing the idea that the poor cheater is the victim

of the manipulative, beguiling, younger temptress/temptor.

Pardon my bluntness, but to anyone who preaches/believes that shit: You're fooling no one but yourselves.

Whether you were betrayed, and are trying to stay in denial, and keep yourself from seeing that yes, your partner did FREELY make the CHOICE to betray you; or you are the betrayer, trying to convince yourself that you really just 'couldn't help yourself'... sorry, but you're wrong. Deal with it.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #42)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:12 PM

45. It's interesting to see emotional responses to what is most likely DNA programming

The woman often gets blamed, that's true.

But the question is not "if" but "why".

Denying the DNA basis of our behavior is another form of denial.

I'd argue that the woman gets blamed because it's in our nature to blame her.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #45)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:18 PM

50. ya cause women cheat as much as men. men, it is dna. women it is ????

and cheats of both gender is a small minority of both genders. so, why do the majority not cheat if it is dna?

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #45)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:20 PM

54. LMFAO... no, social conditioning != "nature"

What a crock of shit.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #54)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:12 PM

80. Most Evolutionary Psychology is a crock of shit.

a century from now we will look upon EvoPsych the same way we now look upon the "Race Science" of 100 years ago.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #45)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:27 PM

59. You sure make the case for men being the weaker sex...

At least speaking for yourself. You just don't seem to have any control over your own bad behavior, do you? You make it seem as if you feel you men are nothing but brainless sex machines that have absolutely no willpower.

"I'd argue that the woman gets blamed because it's in our nature to blame her."??? Wow, I feel sorry for any women in your life.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #45)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:33 PM

62. Oddly enough, it's usually men who blame the woman

in these situations. Not all men, certainly, but some, at least. Extramarital affairs have both parties who participate in the affair to blame. Adults make choices. It is that simple.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:16 PM

48. If, as the author here implies, a man can't be expected to act rationally ...

... when faced with an available woman half his age, why would you ever trust a man with an important job? Surely we should give all those jobs to women, since men are incapable of being responsible for their own actions.


Sorry, this author's argument is a total failure. There are plenty of men who are able to pass this "test" - Patraeus just isn't one of them.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:19 PM

52. I have a unique genetic and cultural background

one in a million, really, which I didn't truly appreciate until my forties.
maybe even greater odds.

My mother's sister married my father's brother.
Both couples had five children,
one couple had five genetic children
the other had one genetic and four adopted children, from three different races.

My conclusion, based on my background, is that over fifty percent of our behavior is DNA coded.

That's a lot of studies, particularly with separated twins, to support that.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #52)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:53 PM

68. Not too unique..I have two aunts that married brothers!

They both have 4 kids, all biological tho, non adopted.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:21 PM

55. Unfortunately, in relationships like this one, the woman is the person that suffers.

It is safe to say that the journalist is finished as a journalist. But she can recover and move int other fields, like writing. Her predicament is unfortunate, but it is one that women that wants power and influence must consider before hooking up with a married powerful man. One of the bad issues is that powerful women can have this type of affair and the man involved will be called a stud.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:25 PM

57. They're both pigs

and should be blamed equally. Neither will recover.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:28 PM

60. Claws? Oh - that's what that was.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:30 PM

61. I would never say that about any woman, except Ann Margaret.

No man can resist the Kitten with a Whip! But if it's not Ann Margaret, he should've said no.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:37 PM

63. "shameless self-promoting prom queen"?

Sounds very one-sided and anti-female. I won't moralize and criticize them for having sex. If they want to break their marriage vows that's up to them. Their behavior however showed a serious lack of good judgement; a third party who discovered the affair could have engaged in blackmail, putting the lives of agents and the very nation at risk. Both should have known better and probably Petraeus more than her, as his was the position with access to sensitive information.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:52 PM

67. Why? She didn't make a vow. n/t

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Response to rucky (Reply #67)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:53 PM

69. actually, i believe she was married and they both put their partners on center stage. nt

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Response to rucky (Reply #67)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:00 PM

75. She is married with 2 children.

I recall reading that somewhere yesterday.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:53 PM

71. Yeah. The poor sap was just wandering around being a good boy and....zap..caught!

The next thing he knew he was out of a job.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:57 PM

73. That blog is written by a guy just out of J School whose military credentials consist of

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being a meteorologist in Italy and two years of bed rest at Walter Reed after a non-combat injury. See, http://www.linkedin.com/in/robertwjohnson5

Not exactly authoritative or particularly credible source for an anonymous interview. A beginner with pretty bad taste.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #73)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:01 PM

76. Hahahaha, Business Insider needs a new editor! nt

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Response to redqueen (Reply #76)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:18 PM

91. Business Insider is a barely credible site that probably pays next to nothing. Blhhhh

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:59 PM

74. Powerful men cheating on their wives, this is NEWS?

This shit has been going on since the dawn of civilization. A lot of the people who go into politics and the military are exactly the kind of impulsive extroverted "high-dopamine" personalities that do stupid shit like adultery. Big Dog is a classic example of the type, as is John Edwards. Ditto with FDR and JFK.

I don't have much sympathy for him, the "evil tempress" narrative is BS.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:06 PM

77. Sometimes I really do not understand you Americans.

Two adults have sex. Did he rape her or something? No? Where is the problem?????

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Response to OldEurope (Reply #77)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:50 PM

87. Um... leaks? I guess you *somehow* managed to miss that part.

This is about more than just 'adults having sex'.

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Response to OldEurope (Reply #77)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:50 PM

88. Well, in this case, maybe he leaked secrets.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:46 PM

85. Sometimes it's just one of those things

Oh, sure, you can dump on Petraeus and Broadwell. And there may even be dump opportunities on their respective spouses. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

The odds are, however, that no one in this equation is evil. Sometimes these things happen, and it's unfortunate for the four involved here that it's being revealed so publicly. But, well, that happens as well sometimes.

How's this for a change? Let's let the story, as a story, drop from the front pages and allow these people to figure out how they would like to move on with their lives. Because, really, it's none of our business.

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:54 PM

89. Takes two to tango

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:21 PM

92. Or Patreaus got his sword into her....why is it the woman is attacked when the man bares blame?

The woman's reputation is unrecoverable but the man is free and easy?! Fuck this shit!!

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Response to aletier_v (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:28 PM

93. What a load of crap! They both are shown to

have a lack of character and zero integrity. Their ego's mean more to them than honour. His vows appear to have little import to him and she has no respect for the wife's marriage. They are both pieces of shit, neither more than the other. Both are equally culpable.

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