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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:50 PM

 

QUICK-without looking it up-who was against FDR or Lincoln or Johnson in 1964

The point?
Transformational presidents like Lincoln, FDR, LBJ, Obama, WON because of what they do and achieve

It was not the anti-people or vote

Obama won because the voters and his ground game got the voters to vote, voted for him


As opposed to say the Bush's-
Where people remember Lee Atwater and Karl Rove

In a few seconds of history, no one remembers the losers or their staff

We should focus on the good of President Obama and not the rightwing memes of this cost the loser votes
And all

WE WON
They did not lose
WE WON
that is what transformational presidents do. WIN.

Like Lincoln
Like FDR (four times, and had he lived, perhaps five)
LBJ in 1964 (and he would have creamed Nixon had he tried in 1968)
Obama, with the loser getting what appears will end up being 47% (LOL)

All Presidential immortals

Unlike those losers that ran against them and are not even a footnote when history is written.
we should stop giving them any press whatsoever, if you ask me.

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Reply QUICK-without looking it up-who was against FDR or Lincoln or Johnson in 1964 (Original post)
graham4anything Nov 2012 OP
SubgeniusHasSlack Nov 2012 #1
Hamlette Nov 2012 #2
LTR Nov 2012 #7
zonkers Nov 2012 #8
Loudly Nov 2012 #3
Coyotl Nov 2012 #4
dsc Nov 2012 #5
Hippo_Tron Nov 2012 #6
Protalker Nov 2012 #9
dsc Nov 2012 #10
LTR Nov 2012 #13
dsc Nov 2012 #18
Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #14
LTR Nov 2012 #11
Jack Rabbit Nov 2012 #12
dsc Nov 2012 #15
karynnj Nov 2012 #16
Kaleva Nov 2012 #17
graham4anything Nov 2012 #20
Kaleva Nov 2012 #21
graham4anything Nov 2012 #22
ashling Nov 2012 #19

Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:53 PM

1. Forward!

 

Let's unite to ensure this administration is transformationally historic as it deserves and needs to be!

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:55 PM

2. 1964 is easy, Goldwater, and I remember Lincoln because of the debates, Douglas, FDR beat Hoover and

Wilkie and Landon but can't get the last one.

But I get your point.

(disclaimer, I was an American history major in college)

I'd add that Romney will likely be the least remembered because he did not hold any national office. I remember Douglas only because of the famous debates and Goldwater because I lived it. FDR was sort of my area in college.

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Response to Hamlette (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:15 AM

7. FDR's opponents

1932: Herbert Hoover
1936: Alf Landon
1940: Wendel Willkie
1944: Thomas Dewey

And Willkie, unlike Romney, didn't hold any office previous to his nomination. He was a businessman, who agreed with most of Roosevelt's New Deal platform, except for the TVA, which competed heavily with the power company he owned. Willkie is perhaps the weakest nominee ever on a major party presidential ticket. He was a compromise, picked in a smoke-filled room.

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Response to Hamlette (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:15 AM

8. I think Lincoln also ran the 2nd time against McClellan, right?

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:03 AM

3. LBJ: What the hell is the presidency for?

 

If not to fight the good fight against the forces opposing progress?

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:09 AM

4. OP lacks clarity = "who ran against"

Goldwater lost big in 1964, too far to the right just like Romney (in the primaries).

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:13 AM

5. well without looking it up

Lincoln ran against Stephen Douglass and two others in 1860 and General McClellan in 1864. FDR ran against Hoover in 32, Landon in 36, Wilkie in 40, and Dewey in 44. LBJ ran against Goldwater in 64.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:13 AM

6. FDR ran against Landon in '36, Willkie in '40, Dewey in '44

Lincoln ran against McClellan in '64. You're right that history is written by the victors. But studying the nature of the opposition never hurts.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:17 AM

9. Add TR

Teddy was the fearless progressive voice Repubs need today.

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Response to Protalker (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:21 AM

10. Now here I may well be wrong

My guess is William Jennings Bryant in 04. He came in second in 12 against Taft and Wilson. I think McKinley ran in both 96 and 00.

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Response to dsc (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:27 AM

13. Alton Parker in 1904

An interesting situation where the Democratic nominee was a big business conservative, and the Republican nominee, Roosevelt, was a progressive. Parker was a very weak candidate with little political background and an 80 year-old running mate.

William Jennings Bryan was the nominee in 1896, 1900 and 1908.

And no, I didn't look any of this up!

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Response to LTR (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:31 AM

18. aw well knew I could be wrong

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Response to dsc (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:28 AM

14. Right on all counts except 1904

It wasn't William Jennings Bryan but Alton B. Parker who was the Democratic nominee that year.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:23 AM

11. There wasn't really any strong competition to any of those men

Lincoln won the most votes in 1860 in a field with four major candidates.

After 3 years of the Great Depression, Hoover was pretty much a goner anyways when he lost to FDR. Ended 12 years of Republicans in the White House.

LBJ was the incumbent in 1964, with JFK's assassination still fresh in everyone's minds. The Republican nominee, Barry Goldwater, was considered too extreme and hawkish for the general public (the U.S. had been through three decades of progressive presidents, including Eisenhower, to an extent). And LBJ was a very aggressive politician. Goldwater never stood a chance.

So, those three presidents, though transitional, didn't exactly have the strongest competition.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:25 AM

12. Without looking

Against Lincoln in 1860: Divided Democrats, foremost being Senator Stephen Douglas of Illinois.

Against Lincoln in 1864: General George McClellan.

Against Franklin Roosevlet in 1932: Incumbent President Herbert Hoover.

Against FDR in 1936: Alf Landon, Governor of Kansas.

Against FDR in 1940: Wendell Willkie, a businessman who never ran for public office before 1940.

Against FDR in 1944: Governor Thomas Dewey (New York).

Against LBJ in 1964: Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ).

* * *


Now, who ran against Wilson in 1912 and 1916?


Now an easy one:

George W. Bush usurped the presidency twice. Name the actual winners of the elections of 2000 and 2004 and the crooked secretaries of state, and from which states, who rigged the elections to allow Bush to pretend he was president.

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:28 AM

15. in 12

wilson ran against taft and roosevelt. No idea who ran in 16.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:30 AM

16. 1964 is easy - Goldwater

One of FDR's opponents was Wendle Willke. (I lived in IU's Willke dorm for 4 years in the 60s/70s - the only reason I remember.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:30 AM

17. Your name is familiar. Where you a member of the Kerry forum back in 2004?

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:41 AM

20. Yes

 

And the aftermath of that forum (cgcs) til it overnight disappeared last february

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:45 AM

21. When I saw your name I thought "Wow! There's a blast from the past!"

Glad to see you still kicking and going!

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:08 AM

22. won't stop til I die (hopefully not for long time, and maybe not then either) LOL

 

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:35 AM

19. In response to your question,

Goldwater and Miller lost to LBJ and Humphrey in 1964

neither FDR nor Lincoln ran in 1964 - they were past their prime.


Lincoln ran against two different candidates in 1860, but I can't remember the names offhand, he ran against McClellan in 1864

FDR beat Hoover in 1932, Wendell Wilkie in 1936

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