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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:43 PM

Shit! David Frum 'Republicans Have Been Lied To & Exploited By A Conservative Entertainment Complex'

The Repugs are starting to eat each other alive!!

Also.... Kpete posted this video link to Frum on Morning Joe, that you can link through du.... says quote a bit: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021783208

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On Friday, author and former Bush speechwriter David Frum joined the Morning Joe panel, where he shared his blunt assessment of the current GOP.

When asked who can lead the Republican party now, Frum responded that he believes the Republican party is “a party of followership:”

"The problem with the Republican leaders is that they’re cowards, not that they’re fundamentally mistaken. The real locus of the problem is the Republican activist base and the Republican donor base. They went apocalyptic over the past four years, and that was exploited by a lot of people in the conservative world. I won’t soon forget the lupine smile that played over the head of one major conservative institution when he told me that our donors think the apocalypse has arrived, that Republicans have been fleeced and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex."


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/david-frum-republicans-have-been-lied-to-and-exploited-by-a-conservative-entertainment-complex/


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Reply Shit! David Frum 'Republicans Have Been Lied To & Exploited By A Conservative Entertainment Complex' (Original post)
trailmonkee Nov 2012 OP
Gabi Hayes Nov 2012 #1
Qutzupalotl Nov 2012 #9
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #2
madinmaryland Nov 2012 #3
RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #38
the_chinuk Nov 2012 #4
rocktivity Nov 2012 #5
Speck Tater Nov 2012 #6
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #15
Hekate Nov 2012 #7
libertypirate Nov 2012 #8
Qutzupalotl Nov 2012 #10
Liberal In Texas Nov 2012 #13
Qutzupalotl Nov 2012 #14
toby jo Nov 2012 #30
gravity Nov 2012 #11
laundry_queen Nov 2012 #12
wildeyed Nov 2012 #16
1-Old-Man Nov 2012 #20
Daniel537 Nov 2012 #22
wildeyed Nov 2012 #24
aletier_v Nov 2012 #33
wildeyed Nov 2012 #39
trailmonkee Nov 2012 #37
KharmaTrain Nov 2012 #18
Brainstormy Nov 2012 #34
sibelian Nov 2012 #17
Motown_Johnny Nov 2012 #19
mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2012 #21
lindysalsagal Nov 2012 #23
Marr Nov 2012 #32
lindysalsagal Nov 2012 #40
Third Doctor Nov 2012 #25
StarryNite Nov 2012 #26
mr_hat Nov 2012 #27
StarryNite Nov 2012 #28
demOcrat11 Nov 2012 #29
Marr Nov 2012 #31
aletier_v Nov 2012 #35
Wernothelpless Nov 2012 #36

Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:45 PM

1. of whom Frum is/was one, of course

what a dick

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Response to Gabi Hayes (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:01 AM

9. He's right.

He knows them.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:45 PM

2. republicans lie to themselves

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:45 PM

3. Just say it Frum: "Republicans have been fleeced, exploited and lied to by Fox News" nt

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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:08 PM

38. ALL of the corporate media have been lying ALL of them- not just FOX

 


We need to hold ALL of the media accountable for their lies and distractions.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:47 PM

4. Well, he'd know about that, wouldn't he? n/t

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:48 PM

5. You're right

That IS shit.


rocktivity

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:08 PM

6. But who will tell that to the Republicans when they only listen to the ones who are lying to them?

 

Is Rush Limbaugh going to say "Hey folks, I've been lying to you for years and years"?
Is Fox News going to say that?

Obviously not. Therefore, the problem is not going to go away. Therefore the Republican party is doomed to become irrelevant. I can't honestly say that upsets me, but we should have a sane opposition party to maintain a healthy balance of power. The longer a party, ANY party, stays in power, the more corrupt they become. We need give and take.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:04 AM

15. we need to start holding interventions.

 

like people do with addicts.
get them in a room and assault them with facts.
and charts.
and pie graphs.
they like pie.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:11 PM

7. Comes the dawn....

Also this: "I won’t soon forget the lupine smile that played over the head of one major conservative institution..." LOL, but would that have been Dick Cheney's smile?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:11 PM

8. The rats be jumping ship mate! /nt

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:12 AM

10. Link to a video



He lays it out right at the end. Skip to it if you want, but don't miss the last minute.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:35 AM

13. I wish I had that 15 minutes of my life back...

a bunch of repukes wondering what the fuck went wrong....DUH, nobody wants your crap!

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Response to Liberal In Texas (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:59 AM

14. It's a winning message if we want it.

It's an effective strategy to woo a voter to your side, to show them they've been had. It opens their eyes, then they get angry about being lied to. It works better than calling them stupid.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:37 AM

30. +1

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:19 AM

11. David Frum had been excommunicated from the GOP long ago

He made similar criticisms against the Republican party before the election.

Now is just his I told you so moment.

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Response to gravity (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:28 AM

12. Exactly.

I put this in another thread - this is not new for David Frum. He's been after the Republicans to moderate their rhetoric after '08 and he was promptly thrown under the bus. Now he's just rubbing their face in it. He was right, they were wrong.

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Response to gravity (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:21 AM

16. I have been reading him all election.

He presents a more conservative viewpoint than I am used to, but it is intelligent, fact based and without racism or misogyny. It is very hard to find conservatives these days who arguments meet those basic criteria!

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:14 AM

20. I'm with you, I've been paying attention to Frum for years. He shoots no blanks.

He is well worth listening too, and I'm dam glad the Republican Party doesn't, because if they did listen to him they would be intruding into our lives worse than they are.

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:43 AM

22. He's still neo-con filth.

In fact one of his biggest criticisms of the Tea Party/Ron Paul types is their isolationism on foreign policy. The dude is not someone we would want back in power anytime soon.

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Response to Daniel537 (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:36 AM

24. Not interested in having him back in power.

Just looking for viewpoints that challenge my own and are not completely nonsensical. A large reason the RW lost this cycle is their Fox News bubble. Trying to avoid making my own lefty version.

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:54 AM

33. "Trying to avoid making my own lefty version"

You are in a minority here, I suspect.

One of the great changes of "free-marketing" the Internet
was the creation of forces which encourage bubble-thinking.

Prior to 2007, I was never banned from any site,
and now it happens regularly. Or did, I've largely
stopped posting now. Now that people "own" websites,
they find all kinds of reasons to ban everything they don't like.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #33)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:35 PM

39. When I realized that Google was returning search items based on my profile,

I got really scared. I am a straight-up liberal but critical thinking is important to me, and how can I do that if I only see partisan posts and articles? I have been trying to mix up my Twitter feed (where I do a lot of political obsessing) but really struggled to find conservatives to follow who are not posting either racist/sexist/homophobic comments or flat out lies with regularity. Which is sad and says a lot about where their real issues lie.

I don't think I am a minority here. Like you, I just post less when I see the crazy happening. Life is too short to spend it all arguing with strangers on the internet.

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:46 PM

37. +1 no bubble-ism for me

I saw a post on du yesterday that basically took your standard, divisive, hateful rw rant that you all the time from the right wing.. You know the ones that you get from your crazy coworkers? I saw that on du and there were lots of recommendations? I made a couple comments that people, I'm certain will be interpreted as a lack of humor on my part? Problem is, that shit ain't funny? You can't have good humor of you are totally disconnected and in a bubble?

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Response to gravity (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:46 AM

18. It Delicious Nonetheless...

Usually we're treated to some blue dog Democrat, like a Harold Ford, who will do this number on Democrats. I'm enjoying it coming from the other side.

You are correct...Frum left the reservation during the final years of the dubya regime and has been a gadfly on the political scene since. He's a man without a party who is surely enjoying his moment in the sun but has no home of his own.

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Response to gravity (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:56 AM

34. True

For some time now Frum has been on my very short list of "Republicans who sometimes make sense."

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:41 AM

17. I wonder if they'll get over it.


It's difficult to see what else they can do.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:53 AM

19. The beautiful thing about his is...

... that you can tell them the absolute truth and it won't change a damn thing.

Rush won't lose even one Dittohead over this.

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Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:56 AM

23. Nice to see an ex-Bushie with a conscience. Anyone know what he stands to gain from this?

The more I read him, the more I like him.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:54 AM

32. A nationally-viable Republican Party.

Frum seems like an old school conservative to me. I seriously doubt that I'd ever vote for such a person, but they did at least make valid arguments based in real data. They also made it necessary for the Democrats to sit several paces to their left, which was good for everyone.

I truly hope that people like Frum end up supplanting people like Limbaugh in terms of their influence on the party.

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Response to Marr (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:42 PM

40. He's too intellectual and dry: No red meat for the dogs.

Republicans have watched professional wrestling so long, they think nothing matters without blood, insults, or both.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:30 AM

25. I immediately heard a shot at Fox news.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:32 AM

26. The party of doom, gloom, and negativity.

Rmoney's whole campaign was based not on what he was going to do for the country but what he was going to undo. And if he wasn't elected it was going to be the end times for America. I know two people who are positive that the world will end because Obama was elected. It's sickening.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:32 AM

27. Buy gold!

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Response to mr_hat (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:33 AM

28. And guns.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:35 AM

29. Finally but they still dont listen

thats why I said republicans are stupid and I ment it with every last brain cell I have.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:44 AM

31. He's absolutely right. There used to be a sane GOP establishment that ran the party.

They're now quite irrelevant, for a variety of reasons. One is the Reagan-era organizing of evangelicals as a voting block, but the biggest reason is their construction of the conservative entertainment complex, as he calls it. What started out as an effective tool for manipulating morons evolved into a nation-wide platform for the Birch Society set.

That sane GOP establishment had a tiger by the tail for a long time, but clearly lost their grip on it sometime in the last five-ten years or so. Frankly, I'd love to see the GOP return to the land of fact-based policy. Having a two-party system of "Sane vs. Insane" is not helping anyone.

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Response to Marr (Reply #31)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:56 AM

35. What nobody seems to think about it,

is what happens if Republican party dies.

Sure, it means a Democrat majority for a period of time,
but inevitably would lead to a fracturing within the Democrats,
and splitting into two parties.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:25 PM

36. They keep playing THIRD BASE ...

And they're surprised when somebody comes sliding into them? ... how so? ... Bwhaaa haaa ha ... ha ...

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