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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:38 PM

Just Throwing This Out There: Obama's New Cabinet Shuffle.

Clinton, Holder, and Petreus are leaving. There's bound to be a cabinet shuffle.


SECRETARY OF STATE JOE BIDEN:


VICE PRESIDENT CHRISTINE GREGOIRE:


AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. HUMA ABEDIN:


AMBASSADOR TO THE E.U. WES CLARK:


Biden's already been VP, and Sec State has always been his dream job. Then put Christine Gregoire (former Gov. of Washington State) in as Obama's VP. That way you'll have TWO female heavyweights to duke it out for the Presidential Nomination in 2016. Huma Abedin moves to the U.N. as a visible symbol that A) The USA is not 'anti-Muslim,' B) Muslims and Jews can get along (she's married to Anthony Weiner), and C) Republicans' bad behavior will not be successful (she's the one Bachmann and the wingnut brigade tried to bring down with smears over her father's indirect association with the Muslim Brotherhood). And Clark, well heck, he just plain deserves a higher profile position in the Democratic Party.

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Reply Just Throwing This Out There: Obama's New Cabinet Shuffle. (Original post)
TrollBuster9090 Nov 2012 OP
Whisp Nov 2012 #1
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #2
ellenfl Nov 2012 #3
jberryhill Nov 2012 #13
ellenfl Nov 2012 #20
jberryhill Nov 2012 #23
CTyankee Nov 2012 #25
Whisp Nov 2012 #6
Bucky Nov 2012 #27
ellenfl Nov 2012 #29
Bucky Nov 2012 #30
ellenfl Nov 2012 #33
TrollBuster9090 Nov 2012 #7
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #4
TrollBuster9090 Nov 2012 #9
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #11
TrollBuster9090 Nov 2012 #19
ellenfl Nov 2012 #21
rso Nov 2012 #5
TrollBuster9090 Nov 2012 #8
jberryhill Nov 2012 #12
ellenfl Nov 2012 #22
jberryhill Nov 2012 #24
vaberella Nov 2012 #10
TrollBuster9090 Nov 2012 #17
Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2012 #32
Tx4obama Nov 2012 #14
TrollBuster9090 Nov 2012 #16
madinmaryland Nov 2012 #15
TrollBuster9090 Nov 2012 #18
The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2012 #26
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #28
Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #31

Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:41 PM

1. interesting! Biden was always hot for SoS, right?

and now his charm isn't needed for re-election but for something he is an expert at.

do Presidents do this sometimes, change VP in second term?

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Response to Whisp (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:44 PM

2. Biden was elected by the people. I don't think he can just

switch jobs--nor would he.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:45 PM

3. i agree. his is an elected position, not a cabinet position. eom

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Response to ellenfl (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:58 PM

13. Who elected President Ford and VP Rockefeller?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:13 PM

20. they weren't elected. biden was. how many elected vps have quit to become a cabinet member? eom

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Response to ellenfl (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:22 PM

23. It doesn't matter

It's a silly scenario, but there is nothing that prevents it.

People elected Hillary Clinton to be a Senator from New York. She resigned in favor of appointment to the cabinet.

I have no idea what religious principle is believed to prevent an elected official from resigning for appointment elsewhere.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:29 PM

25. I don't think it is silly. There is a certain elegance to it, IMO. Biden gets his lifetime wish at

last, Gregoire gets a leg up on a woman being considered for President along with other women, Clark gets recognition (actually, I want that job, can I go to Brussels to be the U.S. representative to the EU? Please? ) Abedin would be an awesome appointment.

So, I'm humming along with this idea...

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:47 PM

6. ok, couldn't think of an example like that

but I'm no US politics historian.

Was just wondering.

but yeh, Biden would still make the best SoS ever.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:36 PM

27. He'd be far from the 1st VP to resign to take another job.

Obama hasn't really groomed a successor. It's not the Democratic way. But it might be nice to throw a new fresh face into the mix

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Response to Bucky (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:53 PM

29. what other vp has resigned to take another job? eom

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Response to ellenfl (Reply #29)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:57 PM

30. Aaron Burr, who quit to run for governor, lost, and then murdered one of guys who opposed him.

But you know how those New Yorkers are.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:02 PM

33. he didn't quit to take another job in the federal gov. sorry, i should have been specific. eom



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Response to Whisp (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:47 PM

7. Well, it's happened in the past (ie-Nixon with Agnew), so there is a precedent.

Although it's a lousy precedent.

But the procedure is simple. The VP resigns, and the President nominates a new one, who has to be approved by the Senate. That's all there is to it.

So, in the case of Nixon, his VP Spiro Agnew got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, and had to resign. Nixon then nominated Gerald Ford and the Senate approved him. Then Nixon resigned over Watergate and Ford became President by default. It generated a crisis of confidence in government at the time, given that a guy was suddenly President that nobody had voted for.


Say, maybe this is a chance to wash the bad taste of that out of our mouths. Do an interim VP switch for a GOOD reason?

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:45 PM

4. could work

that way Obama would not be taking anyone out of the House or Senate

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:49 PM

9. And Biden has always been after that job, anyway. So everybody's happy. nt

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:55 PM

11. That will be the time when all the democrats are all happy at the same time

except for Tuesday night


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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:20 PM

19. Good point. :)

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:16 PM

21. i'm not sure those who voted for biden as vp would be happy. eom

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:46 PM

5. shuffle

I suppose Biden can resign as VP and be appointed as SOS. But I do not see how Obama can "appoint" a VP since it is an elected position.

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Response to rso (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:48 PM

8. It's been done before (Nixon/Agnew), and it's allowed in the Constitution.

The President nominates a VP, who has to be approved by the Senate.

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Response to rso (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:57 PM

12. Yes, vacancies in VP are appointed.

We did this twice in the 1970's.

Gerry Ford was appointed by Nixon to replace Agnew.

Nixon resigned, Ford became president. Ford then appointed Nelson Rockefeller as VP.

We had a president and a VP for whom NOBODY voted.

And we lived to tell the tale.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:19 PM

22. but agnew didn' t resign to take another position, so his position had to be filled. i doubt

biden would abuse the trust the voters have in him by throwing away the electoral win.

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Response to ellenfl (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:28 PM

24. Bull


People are appointed to cabinet positions from all sorts of other elected positions. I guess you objected to Hillary Clinton resigning from the Senate?

And, as long as we are talking about voters, there is NO voter who picked Biden as the veep nominee in the first place. The presidential candidate is selected by a primary process in which voters choose that nominee. The only person who ever decided to have Biden as VP is Barack Obama if you want to get right down to it.

I mean, sure, in some alternative universe there are millions of voters who said "Gosh, I really don't want Obama as president, but I'm so fired up to have Joe Biden perform the only two duties of VP that I guess I'll have to vote for Obama."

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:50 PM

10. What in the world? Why don't you make Wes Clark the SOS?! WTF?!

Biden is a great Veep....stupid choice to even put Biden on SOS and the people voted for him..since he comes with Obama.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:17 PM

17. Hahah! Actually, I was hoping he'd get that job in 2008. But Clinton was a good choice, too.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:08 PM

32. Yes!

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:59 PM

14. I think the FIRST female VP should be elected, not appointed.


Also, Joe Biden needs to stay as VP because if anything were to happen to Pres Obama then Joe would be the one that is ready to take over on day one.

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:16 PM

16. The ideological side of me agrees, but the practical side doesn't.

We needed a nudge to break the glass ceiling stopping African Americans from being President (in this case, the nudge was a giant clusterf@#k known as the Bush Administration), and we'll need a nudge to break the glass ceiling stopping women from being President.

My personal opinion is that, if we'd waited for these attitudes to evolve naturally, we'd have had to wait another 50 years for a non-white President, at least.

If it's done this way, the glass ceiling will have been broken in a rather benign way, setting the stage for the first woman to be elected President. It has the giant side benefit of solidifying women voters' loyalty to the Democratic Party, and encouraging them to vote in 2014.

Just my two cents.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:03 PM

15. Stop bogarting and pass it around! That must be some good shit you are smoking.



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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:18 PM

18. Heh, you can get high off the second hand smoke, thank you very much.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:34 PM

26. You can't just swap a vice president for a secretary of state.

Joe Biden was elected Vice President. You can't move any other person into that position because they weren't elected. Agnew was replaced because he had to resign and there was a vacancy to be filled. Biden isn't going to resign, nor should he.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:46 PM

28. VP could resign and new one appointed

If VP wants to be Secretary of State but his replacement would have to be someone ready to be president, who is?

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:59 PM

31. Biden is VP, & an excellent one. He doesn't want to change. Obama doesn't want a new VP. The end.nt

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