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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:25 PM

 

It really sucks being a 60 YO old white guy in the Southeast right now.

Especially if you are like me. I'm a far left liberal, atheist, straight but pro LGBT issues, ride only a gas efficient scooter or bike only, am pro pot legalization, pro choice and attend protests that are within riding distance.

All of my Kerry and Obama signs experienced a typical lifespan of 23 hours. I'm glad I don't have a bumper for a bumper sticker. God knows what would have happened. There are handfuls of other liberals in the area but coming out as one here often involves a metaphoric cross burning or something else.

Southern hospitality has gone somewhere else since the advent of Fox and RW talk radio. It gets fucking scary down here for people of my ilk down here.

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Reply It really sucks being a 60 YO old white guy in the Southeast right now. (Original post)
Whovian Nov 2012 OP
Cattledog Nov 2012 #1
aletier_v Nov 2012 #2
whistler162 Nov 2012 #58
seabeyond Nov 2012 #3
barnabas63 Nov 2012 #4
Whovian Nov 2012 #7
renie408 Nov 2012 #56
txdemsftw Nov 2012 #5
Whovian Nov 2012 #8
txdemsftw Nov 2012 #10
lumpy Nov 2012 #14
Lars39 Nov 2012 #6
erinlough Nov 2012 #9
Whovian Nov 2012 #12
sarcasmo Nov 2012 #23
erinlough Nov 2012 #46
Matariki Nov 2012 #11
Whovian Nov 2012 #13
SCantiGOP Nov 2012 #15
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #16
Whovian Nov 2012 #17
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #38
Whovian Nov 2012 #40
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #42
Warpy Nov 2012 #21
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #39
TeamPooka Nov 2012 #18
We are Devo Nov 2012 #45
marions ghost Nov 2012 #57
TeamPooka Nov 2012 #67
marions ghost Nov 2012 #71
Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #19
Warpy Nov 2012 #20
Whovian Nov 2012 #24
sarcasmo Nov 2012 #22
scheming daemons Nov 2012 #25
Whovian Nov 2012 #31
scheming daemons Nov 2012 #36
Whovian Nov 2012 #37
Paladin Nov 2012 #62
cordelia Nov 2012 #69
nc4bo Nov 2012 #26
OffWithTheirHeads Nov 2012 #27
demhottie Nov 2012 #28
Whovian Nov 2012 #33
Ghost in the Machine Nov 2012 #49
Ghost in the Machine Nov 2012 #50
Mopar151 Nov 2012 #53
demhottie Nov 2012 #64
aikoaiko Nov 2012 #68
Mr Dixon Nov 2012 #29
yardwork Nov 2012 #30
RebelOne Nov 2012 #32
Whovian Nov 2012 #34
RebelOne Nov 2012 #65
mmonk Nov 2012 #35
callous taoboy Nov 2012 #41
txdemsftw Nov 2012 #43
Swede Atlanta Nov 2012 #44
w8liftinglady Nov 2012 #47
JoeyT Nov 2012 #48
politicasista Nov 2012 #51
byronius Nov 2012 #52
kewhawaii Nov 2012 #54
Ilsa Nov 2012 #55
rockbluff botanist Nov 2012 #59
marions ghost Nov 2012 #60
eppur_se_muova Nov 2012 #61
tabasco Nov 2012 #63
craigmatic Nov 2012 #66
Whovian Nov 2012 #70

Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:28 PM

1. I live in the south and no one F's with me!

You must live in the sticks.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:29 PM

2. Its the scooter. Ditch it, buy a sports car, and you'll get some action

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:36 AM

58. That and the neon blue leisure suit! ;)

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:29 PM

3. they are a bit more aggressive this election than the past. i had signs vandalized and

i am finding a lot of hostility in driving AFTER the election when they see my obama bumpersticker. i might be taking it off this afternoon

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:30 PM

4. How are your neighbors etc. reacting to the election results? nt

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Response to barnabas63 (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:33 PM

7. I have no idea. They know I'm a Democrat and don't speak with me

 

since they learned that fact. I've been ostracized by them. Unfortunately I own my home, paid for completely and it would be a financial mistake to sell it at the moment to accommodate my moving to another location.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:29 AM

56. This is not exactly my experience.

People will talk to me about everything ELSE under the sun. They don't talk politics.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:31 PM

5. That does suck...

I feel that way when I visit my parents in my hometown. I'm one of the only liberal, vegetarian, atheists in all the land, heh, but I don't give a damn.

I feel so much better as soon as I hit the actual CITY limits of where I live now...much more comfy here.

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Response to txdemsftw (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:36 PM

8. There I am lucky. My parents are liberal....

 

Except ny dad who likes to describe himself as socially liberal and financially conservative but still hates gays and still voted Obama. Go figure.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:40 PM

10. Well, I'm lucky that

my parents are really cool about most of it..well, my Mom HATES that I am atheist (she still believes it's just a phase, ha)- so as long as we keep politics out of the conversation, it's fine. My Dad is an 'oil man' who doesn't believe in gay marriage but doesn't mind that Obama got re-elected..even though he still voted for Romney.

My mother's side of the family are mostly liberal. My Granny is a 76 year old Dem Precinct Judge and stayed up late the other night counting votes. She is awesome.

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Response to txdemsftw (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:48 PM

14. For many years I have been thanking my lucky stars that my Father left the South.

He always said he wanted to expand his knowledge of the world and he did. He was thankfull also when he witnessed how political change come about in the South.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:33 PM

6. Thanksgiving dinner is coming up,too.

Some of the relatives we only see once a year, so I don't really know who 's gone a little unhinged over this election.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:36 PM

9. I'm a 60 year old woman in the reddest county in Michigan

I see the same things. I didn't even try an Obama sign this year as last time it just irrititated me too much replacing them. I just say little but refuse to back down if they bring it up....which they always do. It amazes me that they think everyone will agree with them. I usually start by saying, "You and I are about to disagree completely, and I am informed and passionate. If you want to continue, do so, however I will promise you that you will never win and you will never change my mind." This usually stops the conversation which is fine by me. I'm not looking for republican friends.

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Response to erinlough (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:43 PM

12. Good on you. Houses burn down in Alabama though.

 

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Response to erinlough (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:24 PM

23. We are in Ottawa county and that is about as red as it gets.

Last edited Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:22 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:28 PM

46. Berrien, home of both Upton and Pscholka! nt

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:43 PM

11. Hey Whovian

You have my sympathy. Your post is a good reminder to me how lucky I am to live in a very blue state and how many folks here have to struggle with things I take for granted. Like being able to talk politics at work or in public and feel safe that the majority of folks around me have similar views. And if they don't they are outnumbered and therefore won't attack me.

I also think your post is a good reminder to DU to lay off the 'old white men' comments. It rude and it's hurtful to members of DU who fit that description (I don't mean 60 is old, btw).

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Response to Matariki (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:44 PM

13. LOL. Damn right 60's not old. :)

 

I still ride my bikes 365 and am not dead yet.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:52 PM

15. I'm with you brother.

Everything in your first paragraph applies to me, except I am 61. First bumper sticker I ever had torn off was an "Impeach Nixon" sticker I picked up in DC (I was up there as a Graduate Assistant when Nixon fired Archibald Cox). My Dad wouldn't let me park my car in his driveway in 72 because of my McGovern sticker (a very liberal lady next door who had moved from NY to SC said she was proud to have me park in her yard). Look around, you'll find some liberals who have come out of the closet.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:52 PM

16. So why are you still there? Do you think you're going to change their minds or hearts?

 

Are you expecting Jesus to materialize on national TV and tell them that they've got it all wrong, and even if he did, that they would believe it? No of course not, you're an atheist. Is money more important than enjoying the last couple of decades you may have left?

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:02 PM

17. I'll give you a few years before replying to your post. You may change your tune.

 

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Response to Whovian (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:05 PM

38. I'm almost as old as you, and I suspect far more experienced. One thing that that experience has

 

taught me is that there is no end to the excuses we can come up with to justify compromising our values and what we know is right. Like the sigline says, "may your chains sit lightly".

But don't expect any slack when it comes to ripping the other inhabitants of your states, you choose to live there.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:10 PM

40. I seriously doubt it but want no pissing contest.

 

I have a dying Mother which will hold me here for quite a while.

On edit: Aren't we special.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:12 PM

42. That's how I got here (MIL). n/t

 

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:21 PM

21. if Jesus did materialize, on TV or off it,

the good WASP fundies in the south would have him arrested for vagrancy and locked up in solitary for the rest of his life.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:09 PM

39. If they didn't just kill him outright. Come to think of it, their role models already did that,

 

didn't they? De nile isn't a river in Africa.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:06 PM

18. I love California and Los Angeles more and more every day hearing this stuff. nt

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:44 PM

45. Me too! So. Pasadena here n/t

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:24 AM

57. lotsa red in CA

but it's better than Kansas at least...

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #57)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:46 PM

67. not where I live. LA baby, common sense and liberalism flows in the streets. nt

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #67)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:13 AM

71. LA

Yes everyone knows it's a pocket of liberalism in a very conservative nation. Those who live in blue pockets are often deluded that this constitutes the whole state. This kind of thinking leads to arrogant complacency. I live in a blue area & am dismayed when I hear this because it's not reality--it's as delusional as Fux thinking, in some ways.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:19 PM

19. Don't put up signs.

As far as I am concerned it's none of anyone's business who I support. And a sign on my lawn is probably not going to change anybody's mind.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:20 PM

20. It was just as scary when I left in the late 60s

and they were all closing ranks against the onslaught of civil rights making them acknowledge that black folks were citizens, too.

Southern hospitality was always sugar coated strychnine as far as I could tell. I can't imagine that it's gotten much worse, although maybe the hostility is a little more overt these days.

Since I left, I've had plenty of southern friends. However, one thing we all had in common was that they left, too.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:25 PM

24. I lived through that and the Viet Nam war.

 

Protested Lt. Calley, Nixon and The Kent State Killings. Not popular stuff back then but I was ten feet tall and bullet proof at that age. I did leave but came back for family reasons.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:22 PM

22. I would move if that is at all possible.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:27 PM

25. when we northerners say this, we are accused of bashing the south

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:33 PM

31. LOL... It's like the N word in comedy or music.

 

I can say it. I've been there and done that and have the right. Unless you have spent years in the SE you probably don't know what you are talking about regarding the area and its populace.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:44 PM

36. i spend two months in SC every summer

Have a beach house there.

I know the southeast.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:51 PM

37. In a "Beach house?" LOL! Yeah. You really know the SE.

 

Know go rent a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere and see what happens to your opinion. But I am really referring to AL, MS, LA and Northern FL. SC really isn't the SE.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:51 AM

62. Yeah, Such A Heavy Burden You Northern DU'ers Have.


I just don't know how you folks manage, with all the uninformed, loud-mouthed prejudice that's directed at your region of the country. Boo-fucking-Hoo. Why don't you guys just secede or something? Or better yet---move to Texas. We Texans are used to nothing but love and respect, here at DU........

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:30 PM

69. And he is.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:28 PM

26. ..

from me and for all of us liberals trudging through red pockets.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:28 PM

27. Well, at least you found DU. Welcome btw. You usually put up click worthy posts I've noticed.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:28 PM

28. Move to hippie land


Lots of affordable small towns.

Either way, don't self identify and draw trouble. And don't only meet up with liberals for the purpose of protests- you're still young and there is a lot of life that needs to be enjoyed.

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Response to demhottie (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:38 PM

33. Actually, there is one of the longest lived communes within 100 miles from where I live.

 

http://www.thefarm.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farm_%28Tennessee%29

I lived there for a bit but the diet didn't agree with me but the pot sacrament of Sunday services made it taste okay.

Now though, I can't move. My mother just had a stroke and I need to be close.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #33)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:29 AM

49. I *LOVE* the Farm! My son just graduated from their "Farm School at Home Satellite Campus"..

I used their program from the time my son started 7th grade until he graduated this past summer. They are a very Liberal program with very Liberal policies. I chose it because, being an atheist, it was the ONLY program that didn't require me to sign a "Statement of Faith" before being accepted. I wasn't going to lie, nor compromise who I am & what I stand for just to educate my child.

I cannot state it as fact, but I do believe that I got the school administrator (Jacki W) and a few other members, posting here, after I posted some DU threads to the Google Community they had set up for members.

A lot of people put down home schooling on here, but I think they would be quite surprised, and happy, with this program. They used to only be able to take families from Tennessee, but I believe that changed this year and they can now offer their program to different Sates.

http://www.thefarmschool.tv/fsah/satellite-campuses-program-enrollment-2012---2013

Peace within, Peace between, Peace among...

Ghost

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Response to demhottie (Reply #28)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:40 AM

50. I'm game.. where are some of these "hippie lands"?

I ask with complete sincerety. I am truly interested. Althought I absolutely LOVE my 15 acres out in the sticks in East Tennessee, it might be time for a change.

Peace,

Ghost

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #50)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:00 AM

53. Vermont

Parts of NH and MA

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #50)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:12 PM

64. Upstate NY- between New Paltz and Woodstock


Areas in Oregon, Massachusetts ... All over the country ... Someone help me out there because there are tons ....

There are also progressive areas like Berkeley, Park Slope in Brooklyn, etc., but upstate NY is great and affordable.

Even if you can't move- maybe follow the festivals for a summer and make friends.

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #50)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:24 PM

68. Asheville, NC and Flagstaff, AZ

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:30 PM

29. SMH

Hang in there we are pulling for you.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:31 PM

30. Thank you for standing up for justice. You are strong and brave.

The losers who tore down your signs are weak and cowardly.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:36 PM

32. I am a female 73-year old white Democrat in one of the reddest counties in North Georgia.

I have a Obama/Biden bumper sticker, but was reluctant to put it on my car because during the last election, I had one on my car and had cops follow me almost to my door just to intimidate me.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:41 PM

34. I have lived in Marietta and Smyrna and know North GA well.

 

It's pretty much the same as where I live, but I still love Helen and Dahlonega.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #34)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:14 PM

65. Been to Helen a few times. Loved it there. n/t

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:42 PM

35. A -fucking-men.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:10 PM

41. I live in probably one of the most conservative towns in TX

and there is no way in hell I would have had an Obama bumper sticker on my car. Forget car vandalism, I would've worried about bodily harm.

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Response to callous taoboy (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:22 PM

43. Yep..

That would probably happen back in my hometown too.

In the city, not so much.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:42 PM

44. I live in the Southeast as well...but in a large urban area.....

 

Since I moved here I have always only used the magnetic bumper stickers that you can put on and take off. I put my Obama sticker on each day when I would leave for work, the market, the gym, etc. and proudly have it displayed as I drove around. Once I arrived at my destination, however, I would remove it and put it inside the car, upside down. I didn't want someone either taking the sticker or, worse yet, doing damage to my vehicle.

I saw on Free Repukkke site the other day someone who posted they would never buy another car from any of the Big 3 because the union workers at those 3 companies supported Obama. How un-American is that? It has gotten totally ridiculous. I mean I do try to buy products made in the U.S. whenever possible and avoid certain stores such as Staples but not because of the employees but rather because of the owners.

So now we are going to start avoiding businesses based on the exercise of political rights of some of the employees?

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:41 PM

47. Dude, I wish you lived in Texas!

We'd have fun going out to eat in various and sundry right-wing places.
I've had more fun doing that.

2 totally average-looking caucasian midlle-class yuppie looking adults having totally left conversations for all to hear.
3. republicans trying to "join in" the conversation.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:38 AM

48. Southern hospitality was always largely a myth.

If you were the right race, social class, and religion you got hospitality. All others just got hostility.

I don't have any problems with signs being stolen because I put them along the edge of my garden, inside an electric deer fence. That way they get to decide if jacking my signs is worth tasting copper for a week. (Note: Not illegal. The fence was for the garden and was there anyway.)

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:40 AM

51. Hang in there

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:26 AM

52. You're a brave motherfucker.

But Alabama is sure beautiful, minus the assholes.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:15 AM

54. "Lucky you live Hawaii"

...as we say here. Lots of Obama signs everywhere. And we just got Mazie Hirono elected too. Fair amount of Romney support in my particular neighborhood, but no hostility, no sign-stealing of note. We are farther south than anyone else, but a long way from the deep south. I like it that way.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:25 AM

55. Same here. But since I have kids

In school, we are keeping our politics quiet. My kids don't need any hate directed at them by kids growing up in a home with hate-speech.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:37 AM

59. I live in Florida Panhandle land---full of loons.

I tell these people the only things in life that are constant are math and science--not sky wizards! Freaks them out. And, being a biology major I also tell them that guns are good for the environment--kills breeders and pre-breeders (that's young people and children). Keeps the population down. I am saying this with sarcasm, but that is lost on them. They leave me and my signs alone.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:49 AM

60. Rural areas of the North and upper midwest

have the same problem. But where are DUers willing to say they wouldn't put an Obama sign out up there?



I have a friend in upstate NY who tells me what it's like there...he's very aware of the redness.

Anyway, look at the map of the US county by county--red everywhere. The least educated states (ie. the SE) are red states. How do you account for rightwing-ism in the states that have higher education but are still red?

This is a national problem.

People who want to bash the South have a lack of perspective.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:35 AM

61. A friend of mine, also Southern-born, described the South as ...

a few islands of culture, surrounded by desert.

I second what JoeyT said about "Southern hospitality".

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:01 AM

63. Be nice to them and try to change a few minds.

It's all you can do. Or move.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:14 PM

66. The only thing scarrier than that is being a young black guy from the same region.

I didn't even bother putting my Obama bumper sticker out.

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Response to craigmatic (Reply #66)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:10 PM

70. I certainly understand. nt

 

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