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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:36 PM

It is absolutely astonishing that Romney and the GOP

failed to see what was coming at them. It now appears that they really, really believed they would win. Not just that they had a good chance to win, or that they would probably win, but that they would win for sure, and by an enormous, historic landslide. They were so convinced of this that Romney didn't even write a just-in-case concession speech; his transition web site actually got published; and he had a big-ass fireworks display all set to go to celebrate the awesome gloriousness of Mitt Romney.

Then the bubble popped, and they - especially Karl Rove, bless his heart - were caught on national TV with their pants around their ankles and poleaxed "WTF just happened?" expressions on their faces. And then they cancelled all their credit cards before the campaign workers could even use them for cab fare home.

Why the hell would any party or candidate behave this way? Why would they not want to track every single poll, not just the ones that favored them? Why would they not want to analyze objectively the demographics and characteristics of every single square inch of the country? Why would they not want to watch and analyze what the opposition was up to? Wouldn't you want to know where and with whom you were polling well and where you were not so you could focus your efforts appropriately? Or did they think they were polling so well with everybody (except the free-stuff-wanting lower classes who were too lazy or stoned to vote anyhow) that they could just assume an easy win?

Were they so swallowed up by the ideological bubble they created with the eager help of Fox and Limbaugh that they had become incapable of considering the possibility that there were some morsels of truth that didn't square with what they wanted to believe? Even if they knew Rove had arranged for some kind of vote-flipping scheme in OH (which might explain his weird behavior when OH was called for Obama), how can they have been so completely and stupidly certain Romney would win? Was it that Romney, having lived his entire life swaddled in wealth and privilege and power and having been able to buy almost everything he wanted, just couldn't imagine that the black guy who came from nowhere (maybe Kenya?) could whup his ass?

It's bizarre. I think this election really is one for the history books. I eagerly await the release more "Game Change" - type tell-all publications. It sure would be interesting to find out what those idiots were thinking.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:38 PM

1. Willard did promise real change

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:38 PM

2. " what those idiots were thinking "

Hoping is not a strategy or a replacement for thinking.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:39 PM

3. They thought Ben Ghazzi would be it. Instead it was Hugh Briss.



They are just so whacked out on hatred, ignorance, right wing hate radio...the bubble.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:40 PM

5. +1


L
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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:16 PM

65. OMG! This is Hugh!!!1!


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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:08 PM

88. lol

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:48 AM

117. +1 nt

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:14 PM

130. HUGH!!! I'm SERIES!!!!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:39 PM

4. "Rove...pants around his ankles" LOLOL n/t

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Response to riverwalker (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:20 PM

105. Please let me not think of Ned Beatty in Deliverance ... Please let me not think of Ned Beatty

in Deliverance ... Please let me not think of Ned Beatty in Deliverance ...

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #105)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:45 AM

114. Too late..........................................

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Response to tavalon (Reply #114)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:49 AM

118. Yup.....

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #105)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:01 PM

136. You got a purty mouth...

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Response to riverwalker (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:32 PM

106. He looked like a man who had been whacked on the head

with his own baseball bat. It was a glorious thing to see. "But, but, but I put the FIX IN MYSELF!!" Problem was that no one wanted to go to MAN prison to cover your ass, KKKarl.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:42 PM

6. Yes and no, imo.

Astonishing is they thought they could get away with their crap.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:42 PM

7. Obama is Smarter Than This

So was Clinton -- that's why he hired Dick Morris.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:43 PM

8. They bought into their own con

wow.

You know what - I knew we had to win, I knew we had an enormous amount to lose if Romney won, but I don't know that anyone fully grasps how close we all just came to a full blown five alarm fuckoff, with all the worst parts of the bible in living color.

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Response to demwing (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:47 PM

15. The more I'm reading about the disaster of Romeny's campaign

the more I'm realizing we dodged a huge bullet this election.

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Response to deutsey (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:55 PM

18. Yes, this ineptitude alone

Is reason enough not to let these clowns try to manage the country and international affairs. My goodness, how would they evaluate dangerous behavior in foreign situations if they can't even analyze a dozen stupid polls?

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:08 PM

61. Yep...the way they responded to the original attack in Libya alone revealed what

inept, opportunistic assclowns the Romney people are.

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Response to deutsey (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:49 PM

80. and the way he canceled the credit cards

of his loyal staff? That's unbelievably dickish. It's like comic book bad guy behavior, so bad that it might be funny it it weren't so god damned sad.

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Response to demwing (Reply #80)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:06 PM

87. And yet these dipshits who supported him still decry

the "tragedy" of Obama's stomping Romney's ass.

Sigh.

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Response to demwing (Reply #80)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:51 AM

119. I can't wait until..

inside stories start to leak...

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Reply #119)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:14 AM

123. It's hard to stay loyal to a dick

things should get interesting

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Response to demwing (Reply #80)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:00 PM

141. Blatantly spiteful.

In other words, "You failed to deliver so now you're on your own dime."

Contrast that with Obama tearing up while thanking his campaign workers. Granted, he won, but still ...

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:43 PM

9. Because nobody tells Mr. Romney "no". Not anyone that wants to keep working there.


"Yes Governor Romney, polls look really good, momentum is on our side....What?...Oh, yeah fireworks are a great idea sir...thank you too."

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:45 PM

10. Part of me believes that some sort of fix was in, or at least was supposed to be in

and either it was handled incompetently or the Dems outsmarted them somehow and stopped it.

Apparently their GOTV effort was handled VERY incompetently. Here's an excerpt from an article by one of the volunteers, but follow the link and read the whole article. It's hilarious.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/334783.php
On one of the last conference calls (I believe it was on Saturday night), they told us that our packets would be arriving shortly. Now, there seemed to be a fair amount of confusion about what they meant by "packet". Some people on Twitter were wondering if that meant a packet in the mail or a pdf or what. Finally, my packet arrived at 4PM on Monday afternoon as an emailed 60 page pdf. Nothing came in the mail. Because I was out most of the day, I only got around to seeing it at around 10PM Monday night. So, I sat down and cursed as I would have to print out 60+ pages of instructions and voter rolls on my home printer. Naturally, for reasons I can't begin to comprehend, my printer would not print in black and white with an empty magenta cartridge (No HP, I will never buy another one of your products ever again). So, at this point I became panicked. I was expected to be at the polls at 6:45AM and nothing was open. I was thankfully able to find a Kinko's open until 11PM that was able to print it out and bind it for me, but this is not something I should have had to do. They expected 75-80 year old veteran volunteers to print out 60+ pages on their home computers? The night before election day? From what I hear, other people had similar experiences. In fact, many volunteers never received their packets at all.

At 6:30AM on Tuesday, I went to the polls. I was immediately turned away because I didn't have my poll watcher certificate. Many, many people had this problem. The impression I got was this was taken care of because they had "registered me". Others were as well. But apparently, I was supposed to go on my own to a Victory Center to pick it up, but that was never communicated properly. Outside of the technical problems, this was the single biggest failure of the operation. They simply didn't inform people that this was a requirement.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:00 PM

22. As much as I scoff at conspiracy

Theories, their utter astonishment indicates there was some reason they believed so vehemently they could not lose.

There was something- something that they were expecting to flip victory to Romney and it didn't happen & they don't know why. They can't say why they were stunned or taken by surprise. Romney was never above cheating, it was a way of life even in friendly family games.

Rove's behavior reminded me of the scene in the movie "Ghost". The crooked banker named Carl can't find the dirty money because Sam caught on to his plan and changed the data. Carl freaks out, just like our Karl.

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Response to Doodler71 (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:07 PM

58. I think the fix was in?? ...

And when Karl Rove tried to convince Faux that it was too early to call Ohio I believe he thought the votes were already flipped to Romney or destroyed or what ever he had planned. But as you say there were friendly "hackers" that discovered the fix and like a virus they stopped it..I believe Wisc and VA might have been a part of that fix..But it just didn't work out..So could it be that Wisc,VA,Ohio,Fla. was a part of their grand theft plans.
I keep thinking if Kerry would have had this type of organization in 2004 then history certainly would have changed.no financial meltdown and Obama would be just now entering into his first term.

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Response to INdemo (Reply #58)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:19 AM

111. Kerry didn't have the resources of the executive branch of the federal government.

Apples and oranges.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #111)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:32 AM

115. Maybe but..Kerry's organization was weak, didnt fight for those lost Ohio votes.

I think the biggest reason was that the then DNC chairman McAuliffe..He was looking ahead to 2008 for Hillary and just didnt push the issue..If he would fought for thise missing votes then we would have won..

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Response to INdemo (Reply #115)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:25 AM

124. I think Kerry made the right choice.

He never would have gotten it over-turned. There is a time to move on and fight another day. To continue to fight would have made him look like a conspiracy nut and a sore loser.

As much as it hurt at the time; he didn't really have a choice. It was a dark time in American history and I hope the truth comes out about the theft of that election, but I don't blame Kerry for letting it go.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #124)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:17 AM

126. I dont blame Kerry either...

There were 110,000 votes that weren't counted plus provisional and absentee ballots..
McAuliffe a very strong supporter of Hillary for 2008 allowed that to get in the way of supporting Kerry.Karl Rove had everything in place to steal Ohio and he accomplished that..

But that is all history now.

Watching on Rove on Faux question Ohio returns leaves little doubt there were things in place to swing Ohio to Rmoney ....

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Response to INdemo (Reply #126)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:39 PM

132. Rove was finally outflanked.

But, I don't believe it would have been possible if republicans had control of the white house.

I think the conservative effort to blame the democrats backfired because of Obama's adeptness at getting out the vote.

I expect this to be huge turning point in American history similar to the FDR administration.

Everyone talks about the supreme court because of Roe v Wade, but we should also remember FDR's 'hardening of the judicial arteries' speech. We stayed in the great depression longer because a conservative supreme court prevented social programs.

More was at stake than just a women's right to choose; we could have gone way back.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #124)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:22 AM

128. I thank the Green Party for

picking up the slack on the Ohio recount, 2004.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:48 PM

32. There's an excellent article at Slate analyzing their failures

The short version is that the Republicans really don't trust scientists, don't trust academics, and think their own gut feelings are superior to anything that comes out of data analysis.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/victory_lab/2012/10/obama_s_secret_weapon_democrats_have_a_massive_advantage_in_targeting_and.single.html

This summer, a top Republican analyst stumbled upon a job notice posted by the left-wing League of Conservation Voters. The position was Targeting and Data Director. The analyst looked admiringly at the description of the job, especially its duties to “explore and devise opportunities to test and measure the impact of all of our programs, including working closely with entities such as the Analyst Institute.” He marveled at what that language revealed about the sophistication of his rivals’ intellectual enterprise. “One thing the left—Catalist, Analyst Institute, New Organizing Institute—has done very well is training and seeding of this sort of stuff, this sort of philosophy,” said the analyst, who asked not to be identified because of election-season attachments but has worked closely with the Republican National Committee and presidential campaigns.

Dozens of such postings exist in what some call the “progressive data community.” I asked the Republican analyst what analogous jobs existed among the institutions of the right. How many of the League of Conservation Voters’ ideological foes—like the Chamber of Commerce, or their frequent allies at the National Rifle Association or the Faith and Freedom Coalition—have data managers and targeting directors with similar mandates to test and measure?

“I honestly don’t know,” the analyst replied. “If I had to guess? Zero.”

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Response to starroute (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:06 PM

35. Only 6% of scientists self-identify as Republicans in a Pew poll. The Rethugs have done

a lot of damage in the scientific community and the mistrust's probably mutual I'm guessing.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:38 PM

74. This is amazing

And incredible- it deserves its own post. What an inept GOTV! I actually feel sorry for those volunteers- they must have been so frustrated. It's like an illustration of exactly what NOT to do to GOTV.

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Response to ColumbusLib (Reply #74)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:40 PM

103. Here are some more links

This is something from the Breitbart Big Government site that gives more insider details:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/08/Orca-How-the-Romney-Campaign-Suppressed-Its-Own-Vote

And here's an article at Commentary. I find it interesting that it lays much of the blame on Romney’s Deputy Political Director, Dan Centinello. Back in 2004, when the College Republicans got in trouble over a fund-raising scandal (that was extensively discussed here at DU), he was quoted as the group's New York chairman. Going by online sources, he's 28 now, and is clearly unprepared to handle the level of responsibility he was given. Just one more Republican young punk.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/11/09/romneys-get-out-the-vote-fiasco/

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Response to drm604 (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:03 PM

84. Outsourcing has apparently bitten them in the ass

In 2004, Mehlman had more volunteers for Bush than we did for Kerry. They have since outsourced that operation.

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Response to eridani (Reply #84)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:29 PM

90. I attended

 

Republican's Big Final Meeting before the Election in 2004. I dressed up like a repugnant rich woman.

I was very impressed. They treated their volunteers like little gems.

So this time, they just send out a pdf???? Wasn't there a local RobMe office to go to??? Or at least a county Repugnant office in the county???

I hate printing out pdfs....my printer barely gets 100 pages for a cartridge of ink.

Well, let's hope they don't learn from their mistakes!!!

Can't wait to find out who was in control of ORCA, the beached whale.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:06 PM

86. That was a great read...

 

I want to hear more about the dudes who built ORCA, the beached whale.

Thanks for the link...you may want to start a thread with this.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:14 PM

104. The comments are hilarious!

" We didn't do ORCA out here--it
wasn't implemented yet here or
something--so we did it the old-
fashioned way. Which also pretty much
sucked.
Lots of new Tea Party people--for which
I'm grateful--but they didn't know how
to do strike lists and hadn't understood
the explanations or something. One
precinct reported back with literally NO
ONE struck."

Teabaggers are stupid. Who knew?

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Response to drm604 (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:59 AM

120. Too much of their GOTV efforts were concentrated on election day

Their ORCA plan failed, in part because the app just didn't work. I believe they also had some wi-fi issues--at least the "observer" at my precinct did.
And it comes down to the fact that they hadn't sold their product--too many people were distrustful of Rmoney and no amount of money thrown at tv and robo-calls was going to fix that. The man is an Edsel in a Prius world.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:45 PM

11. I agree...this election has been fascinating to watch unfold.

Going into Election Day, I figured it was going to be the standard who's up/who's down type of thing with some possible 2000/FLA-style shady activities.

I was cautiously optimistic that Romney was going to lose, but I had no idea the loss would be such a colossal train wreck for them.

And I welcome it.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:45 PM

12. Great post

Truth is that they were publicly suppressing the vote and boasting that Voter ID cards would give the election to Rmoney. They were trying to steal the election but Democrats learned well from 2000 and 2004. And the Courts were not on their side.

I would have celebrated the victory regardless but this was a gazillion times sweeter.
After the Courts went against them with Obamacare they should have realized that the ideological purity assumed in the bubble was never real.
They are totally and completely fucking stupid and the shellacking and the shell shock were fall down funny.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:46 PM

13. Campaigns Create Their Own Bubble...

Doing the whirlwind 3 and 4 event days is not unlike a rock band...another day another venue with very little time to look at a newspaper. One day rolls into the next...one city looks like the last one. It's in this bubble that Willard let the grandeur of the crowds and hangers on grow. Surely everywhere he went during those last days he was seeing large crowds and his people were pumping him with good news to keep the ball rolling. That ball came to a brick wall called reality on Tuesday night.

What makes this unique is this bubble existed inside another bubble...the one created by Bullshit Mountain and hate radio. It's the one where Benghazi was the "worst scandal than Watergate" and how Willard looked surprised and then blindsided when the real facts of that situation hit him in the face at the second debate...Proceed gubnor...

So here in essence Willard lived in a real vaccuum...fact free and based on manufactured "scandals" and based on the assumption that a majority of the country thought like he did cause it was all he saw around him. The real story here is how a complete parallel universe has been created and how so many people were sucked into it...

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Response to KharmaTrain (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:55 PM

17. +1

That's exactly it. The second most significant story of this election is how a complete parallel universes exists as a political power in this country -- to the extent that even the Republican nominee was taken in by it.

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Response to BellaKos (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:39 PM

75. To the point where they used the RW propaganda in their campaign.

I couldn't believe when they actually started using Limbaugh's points to campaign on.



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Response to cui bono (Reply #75)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:01 AM

122. Big mistake on their part....

AND Faux News talking points....

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Response to KharmaTrain (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:04 PM

24. If he has any insight about this after-the-fact he'll probably write a book. Or if he doesn't --

he'll still write a book. I'm not to sold on his ability to have insights, despite his education. Seems he just constantly spit out what was spoon-fed to him.

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Response to KharmaTrain (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:34 PM

29. A good businessperson doesn't do that

A good businessperson wants solid, objective research. If they don't like it, they get the market researcher to come in an explain the decision that were made to do the research that way (sample choice, question choice, weighting and analysis).

I saw a publisher pull a Romney once.

Even though the market researcher had correctly projected market share on past projects, this guy was a "maverick" and chose the reading series that HE preferred, even though it was projected to get only 8% of the market (they normally got something around 20%).

When it got 7.8%, his entire team was fired.

I walked in to do a sales pitch with the guy who projected 8%, and because we were involved with the fiasco they didn't want to hire us. The 8% guy reminded them that he had predicted the disaster within .02%, and we got the job.

(this is not to say that market research is perfect - it often is deeply flawed, but if you have someone who has a good history with past quantitative projects, listen to them)

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Response to Patiod (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:13 PM

38. Speaks Of What Type Of A "Leader" He Would Have Been...

You are right...a smart and innovative businessperson knows the downsides of the market as well as the up. The thing is...and was mentioned many times during the campaign, Willard didn't build businesses, he took them apart. You don't need people skills to do that...all that matters is self interest.

Over the years of making money Willard surely believed his own press clippings of being a "successful businessman" strictly based on the money he made, not the jobs he created (which he didn't) or the benefits his wealth had given to others. You could see how out of touch he was with some of the most common things...having photo ops done of him pretending to do laundry or collect cans...when it was obvious he was uncomfortable lowering himself and look awkward. Just as it cost Poppy boooosh in '92, Willard's largess (epitomized by the 47% remark) cost him. He wasn't "one of us"...especially in comparison with President Obama.

I work in an industry that saw many "Romneys" like you describe...and guess what it's done...destroyed a once vibrant industry. The "captains of industry" put greed ahead of the product and saw it loose popularity, marketshare and revenues. And we were going to let these cads determine our destiny. Thank goodness for the sanity of the majority of the American people!

Cheers...

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Response to KharmaTrain (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:38 PM

73. "The Emporer has no clothes". Nobody told him so.

 

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:46 PM

14. And I was Worried WE were the ones in the bubble who would lose.

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Right up until it was called I think most of us here on DU held onto the reality we could lose. At times I think we were pretty convinced we'd win but, I think, overall we kept some perspective that "anything could happen."

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Response to dballance (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:56 PM

19. But

Our caution that Obama might lose and that "anything might happen" had some basis in recent history, so it wasn't unrealistic.

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Response to BellaKos (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:31 PM

69. Very good point nt

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Response to dballance (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:16 PM

66. I never thought that Obama could or would lose

M$Greedia invented this horse race.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:53 PM

16. Money Money Money Money Money Money Money

the republican party still thinks you can just buy an election.............

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:44 PM

94. well said...nt.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:57 PM

20. First of all that's how sociopaths think. Secondly, Rove promised them a rerun of 2000 and 2004.

They did it twice, why not again?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:59 PM

21. Maybe the fact that it didn't work in 2008 should have been a clue?

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Response to drm604 (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:14 PM

26. IMO they didnt try in 2008. I think they figured that after 4 years

of noneffective Democratic presidency, they would be welcomed back. They grossly mis-figured.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:43 PM

30. NO. They tried in 2008. As long as they have 40%+ of american voters willing to shove their heads

into the asses and vote republican, the Roves of america will keep trying. They never give up, and neither should we.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:01 PM

23. his campaign was run by ex-bush* morons...

they live in their own special little bubble, a bubble they thought still existed when the totally bullshited the nation and the supreme court into thinking george w. moron* had an ounce of brains.

Still believing their own bullshit, they thought their same "tried and true" method of heaping pile on pile of bullshit upon the American public would still work, "hell" they believed, "it worked twice before!" but twice before was also helped by various sycophants working and rigging the poles.

this time, Obama and his admin called them all on their bullshit and made sure there was no fixing of the machines as best as they could.

Still however, under their deluded haze of past "victories" they thought they could once again rest on their laurels, but alas...

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:09 PM

25. Very nicely said.

 

I put together a post on the same subject earlier but you brought up many points I failed to mention and said it all very, very well.

It really is hard to understand how they didn't see it coming unless they thought they had some sort of paid for lock on the game.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:14 PM

27. Thank you

I've been thinking about this issue all day. How could you NOT be curious on something that is so important to you? If you get a diagnosis from a doctor don't you come home and do some research yourself? Don't you want to see the truth and keep an open mind on sources of information?

Years back my son was having some issues at school, so what did i do? I researched laws on the A.D.A, and Section 504 and began my fight there. I felt it my responsibility to get this information so I can make better choices along his struggle in the school system.
I never wanted to be out of the loop and because of my research he's doing well in his life and in his second years of college.

I really don't understand it either, it's foreign to me to even think like they do.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:28 PM

28. Yeah. I can't wait for the book and movie on Romney's campaign.

There is a lot there that should be interesting. And the movie will end with former staffers standing stunned at a hotel desk or beside a taxi as they are told that their Romney/Ryan credit cards were disabled.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:47 PM

31. I now really do believe he believed the white horse prophesy as

did his minions. Believing things like this is like people who give away all their possessions and go out into the wilderness to wait for the end of the world on an appointed day. No amount of facts and reality will change their minds until the day comes and goes and nothing happened.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:23 PM

44. Not even then, because they just say they misread the signs, and can now say with absolute certainty

that he REAL day is 6 months hence--or something.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #44)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:49 PM

81. lol Harold Campion

He's quit trying to predict it, it seems!

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Response to treestar (Reply #81)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:29 PM

102. Finally! LOL

[How many tries did he get? :

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Response to Cleita (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:49 PM

52. I believe that, too, Cleita. That, and living in an echo chamber for most of his

life, where he had everyone agreeing with him, telling him he would win.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:49 PM

79. That could be it

Now Mitt has to deal with the fact that he wasn't the one.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:38 PM

91. RobMe would believe

 

anything KKKarl told him (I do think he was doing dirty tricks w/ voting machines...esp. in OH)....after all Mi$$ believes God lives on Planet Kolob.

Plus he's a sociopath.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:30 PM

108. The GOP is a cult then.

Magical thinking, believing everything they're told and following blindly, regardless of the facts.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #108)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:17 PM

143. Absolutely. They have been a cult since the second coming, Ronnie,

gained the White House and power. He was only an actor playing President while the real powers behind him fed his lines to him from the sides of the stage.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:57 PM

33. The Republican tactics used to work

And work very well.

Something has changed in this country.

I blame it on the internets.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:58 PM

34. Television no longer controls the people (nt)

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #34)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:34 AM

112. That has to be a big factor.

Rove forgot to tell his big donors that people can record their programs and jump through the commercials.

Obviously that isn't always the case, but It seems to be the trend.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:09 PM

36. It Was The Nature Of The Man

Only yes men need apply. Especially tell the boss (Romney) what he wanted to hear at all costs. That is why he constantly used flawed studies to support his position. He needed something to hang his hat on so they gave it to him.

Even Romney's generosity to the Mormon Church was traced to the grandfathered tax break he was getting in return. It was entirely within character for him to cut off the credit cards in the middle of the night leaving his own staff workers to fend for themself. Romney is an awful person. It is that simple. I posted many times about how much like Nixon that Romney is. This just reinforces that notion. May Romney rot in hell.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:10 PM

37. Yeah if that CBS story that you are apparently reference is true, I don't even know what.

I assumed that Romney and his people floated all the happy talk about the polls being wrong and expanding the map just to keep the rubes from panicking but had a more sober analysis and planning going on behind the scenes.

But, even though I don't think Romney is actually dumb, these guys really DO watch too much Fox News and believe all their own bull, apparently.

So much MORE glad that they didn't win.

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Response to Mayberry Machiavelli (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:21 PM

43. This comment was posted on the article on Huffpost that described how shellshocked the Romney

campaign was over their unexpected defeat:

"Don't get high on your own supply" - Scarface

I can understand why the Republican Campaign Machine needed to convince the electorate that the Romney/Ryan ticket had already won before the election was even held. It was a crucial ingredient in that "Red Kool-Aid" they were pushing.

But to think that two numerically apt, obviously (at least reasonably?) intelligent men were fooled into believing it, as well?

Getting high off your own supply....believing your own lie...

It could have worked if they had not frightened the masses into action.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:16 PM

39. The Party of Racism is mostly wrong about most things.

Almost all of the time. It is a miracle they still exist in these modern times.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:17 PM

40. I shudder to imagine the kind of governance we'd have gotten from within that "bubble".



If their reality was this distorted even BEFORE they presumably got into the White House, actually being President makes it even harder to get real truths to penetrate.

Great post. K&R

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:18 PM

41. I find myself wondering whether they really did have some electronic vote

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hacking scheme set up, but somehow it just didn't work the way it was supposed to. Their certainty was just sooo over the top, especially considering the polls and the reading of those polls by such gurus as Nate Silver.

Does anyone else wonder whether the Dems might have set up some sort of stealth electronic flipper-scrambler equipment that would block such things? Probably that isn't even possible, but as a tech-idiot, I like to imagine that some bright wizard type could do that with computer equipment in battleground states in a way that would not be detectable.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:30 PM

48. For sure they did, but this time we had enough eyes on our side to

make sure it didn't go too far. They have been cheating on elections for more than a decade now it seems, but this time with observers both official and unofficial, like the guy who recorded the voting machine flipping in PA, it seems to have scared them away from whatever plans were afoot. This is probably why the Romney crowd of insiders was so stunned at the loss. They probably were confident that the fix was in and that Romney would get the votes. I mean who orders fireworks, only writes an acceptance speech and plans a huge celebration if they weren't absolutely sure?

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:40 PM

76. I wondered the same thing

either the fix was in and we overwhelmed the % they flipped which is very likely considering how close the final %s were ( should not have even been close) or someone intercepted their vote changing moves and set them back to the correct numbers.
I can't believe romney was not getting accurate polling numbers and knew he was behind. Roves antics on TV pretty much show the confidence they had. It would have taken more than Ohio to win so I suspect the fix was in in at least 3 states, Ohio, Virginia, and Florida probably 4 which all should have been larger percentages for Obama. The answers will never be known unless someone comes forward with the truth.
He was just so confident he would win and so were the people on Fox. Very suspicious in my opinion.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:42 PM

92. About two weeks ago,

 

Anonymous warned KKKarl NOT to screw with the election! If anyone could Hack for Justice, it would be Anonymous.

I think they have more computer ability than anyone.

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Response to femrap (Reply #92)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:45 PM

139. I hope that is the case, but it seems unlikely.

Still, if it is the case, it would be lovely.

I do believe vote hacking shaved Obama's landslide in 2008 and switched the winners in close congressional races, but that the overwhelming numbers prevented a complete steal of the presidential election. It's quite possible that's what happened this time, too. Maybe the Republicans just underestimated the number of votes they had to steal.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #139)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:12 PM

144. I know

 

the 2004 Election was stolen in Ohio. I have no doubts about that.

It's just that KKKarl was so vehement about Ohio the other night...like his dirty trick didn't work. But in the end, Ohio wasn't needed.

Or maybe we think the repugnants are smart and they're not. Look at Nate Silver....now he's smart. And did you hear about RobMe's GOTV system, ORCA, was a complete and utter disaster. This was developed not by the Repugnants but RobMe's Team in Boston.

I've worked in Corporation's HQs and these dudes w/ big titles and corner offices are not that smart. They just know how to play corporate politics. (I'm sure there are some smart Corporate dudes somewhere). Well, I'm not 100% sure. But RobMe's campaign spent $1.2 BILLION and they can't get a GOTV system to work??? They tried to go hi-tech instead of using the check-off sheets. None of the volunteers knew what to do.

I don't think RobMe is smart. At Bain Capital he just threw money at certain business ventures, and if one in ten worked, they made a fortune (Staples....which he had nothing to do with, but giving the 2 dudes some start-up money). Later on Bain became a Vulture Capitalist with LBOs and putting the company in so much debt they needed to file bankruptcy. It was a model being used by a bunch of establishments. David Stockman has written about this.

I come from the old school before an MBA was 'stellar.' I was taught that all the Jocks at college were Business majors because it was so easy. I started out as a Business Major and there were a lot of dumb dudes in the classes. Accounting was the toughest course they had to take. I think there was a way to get around not taking Statistics.

Maybe the emperor's clothes have been removed and now everyone sees that their use of Lies and Fear and Hatred don't work. They're just evil political wolves who no matter how hard they huff and puff, can't win an election.

And I thank OWS for educating the public, too.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:18 PM

42. Romney has spent his entire life...

...surrounded by people telling him how great he is.

He isn't the type of person who would even consider hearing anything negative. I'm willing to bet that nobody had the courage to tell Romney that he wasn't doing as well as he thought.

I'm also willing to bet that Rove and others tried to rig the election in Ohio, with Romney's blessing. He wanted to win at all costs.

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Response to Stargazer09 (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:44 PM

93. No one diagrees

 

with RobMe. If one does, his temper is released.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:27 PM

45. in viewing notes on fb from my rightwing friends

It became obvious to me that they were more upset then I had expected. Had a hard time understanding this until i realized they had been watching faux noise and were taken by surprise. Tried to tell them to turn off faux if you want the truth but they just began swearing and calling me names. Oh well, maybe next time they will listen.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:29 PM

46. Do you find it astonishing ...

that a number of prominent DUers were afraid that Romney would win?

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #46)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:32 PM

49. No. Many of us knew what they were capable of and afraid they might

pull it off. Thank god whatever plans they may have had were either foiled or they chickened out on completing the planned cheating of another election.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #49)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:11 AM

125. That's exactly right

Many of us who were here in '04 knew just how much Ohio stunk to high heaven, and we wouldn't put it past the GOP to pull this shit again, on an even wider scale. And not many of us were sure what the Obama campaign would do in such a case, or if it would just fold like Kerry in '04 to keep the peace. I think many of us were scared shitless of the same scenario.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:29 PM

47. I am convinced the fix was in and the software upgrade in Ohio

was put there to fix the fix. I think Husted and Kasich(sp) knew they would be caught and put in jail so they had the fix the fix software put in to save their asses. I think they forgot to tell Carl Rove about it. Kinda looks like they forgot to tell a whole lot of people about a whole lot of other things as well. I hope the doj goes after the Ohio fix anyway and put these bastards in jail anyway. We will see. Want to thank Anonymous for, if nothing else, letting them know they were being watched very closely .

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Response to litlbilly (Reply #47)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:45 PM

78. also a possibility but I think Rove would have known

he was the mastermind. We need to see that patch and the software that was on the machines. If they have something to hide they will never let it out or it has already been deleted. Still lets have someone look.

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Response to litlbilly (Reply #47)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:51 PM

95. I live in OH...

 

Kashit and Husted are true and complete Repugnant scum. They would do anything for KKKarl. Especially Husted...that would give him a boost to 'National Politics.'

These 2 guys believe their shit doesn't smell. They would do anything to win...thinking that they'd never get caught. These guys do NOT have any guilt whatsoever....just ambition and greed. They're evil. I love it when they go down. Both would look very nice in orange!!

Those 'patches' were the fix. But with electronic transmission, the votes can be hacked between the BoE of each county and SoS's office....from an off-site location. That was my understanding.

Bob Fritakis and Harvey Wasserman (sp?) of Free Press in Columbus were very involved in stopping these 'patches.'

I don't know how FL or VA gets their votes to the SoS.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:42 PM

50. Scary Thought

And, this is the guy who could have been President of the United States?? Someone that couldn't even see reality even when it was smack dab right in front of his face?? He just lived in his own little bubble. What decisions would he have made being President while living in that bubble??

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Response to jaxind (Reply #50)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:00 PM

55. That is a scary thought.



Welcome to DU, jaxind

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Response to jaxind (Reply #50)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:08 PM

62. That's precisely what my friend and I were discussing last night. It is frightening.

Welcome to DU!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:45 PM

51. They spent so much time hating Obama that they believed everyone hated him too....

They also convinced themselves that the public would blame Obama for the economy and unemployment that Republicans felt they could even block a jobs bill for veterans thinking it scored points for Romney.

These people really act like the internet doesn't exist. Their former comments don't exist, videotape doesn't exist, and truth is what Republicans say it is at a press conference. That only works with their mindless followers. The rest of the country knows they had just been lied into a war by Republicans and as far as the public was concerned Republicans were expected to earn their trust back but Republicans never felt the need. They just continued to spew lie after lie and expect the public to believe them because of their authoritarian ways.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #51)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:13 PM

64. That's the heart of the matter: they thought everyone else hated him, too. 95% of my co-

workers are GOP/tea-party/birther. I was one of the 5 token libruls in my dept. of 50 employees and, though I wasn't at work the day after the elections, my co-dems told me it was silent as a tomb around the dept. on Wednesday. I am sure they cannot believe that God wanted President Obama back in for a 2nd term. It was so nice not to have to hear birthers spewing, Fux Nooz parrots, bible thumping, and Glenn Beck suckers. The next few weeks will really be interesting as they lick their wounds and try to figure out what went so wrong for them. They would never admit that they lost because they were on the side that promoted hate, fear, and intolerance.

Love won this election.

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Response to japple (Reply #64)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:29 PM

101. the right wing is already spining it that minorities were the cause...

they're also filling these people with resentment that they are doomed to pay for freeloaders.

Expect them to try to educate you on that score, then act pissed off that you don't get it, or worse, that you are a "freeloader lover" which is WORSE than a freeloader because you are a traitor both to your race and your class.

For them, this election was all about defending the idea of working for a living.



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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:55 PM

53. The feel they are "entitled"

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #53)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:52 PM

96. and can

 

get away with ANYTHING....even murder!

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Response to jpak (Reply #53)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:01 PM

135. They may be entitled to their own opinions, but they are not etitled to their own facts.

I can't wait for some "Game Change" type books to come out!!

What WERE they thinking here? Group think? Bubble much?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:58 PM

54. They never counted on so many of us...

...voting ourselves so much free stuff from Santa Claus.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:02 PM

56. Dunno, I was scared shitless that Romney might win.

Even Nate Silver's predictions didn't unpucker me, until I saw intrade at 9pm PST.
I was really afraid those fuckers might pull it off.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #56)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:20 PM

67. That's kind of where I was.

I was closely watching Nate Silver and Intrade and the other polls, and I thought Obama was likely to win - but after what happened in 2004, with Bush "winning" the election after the exit polls had Kerry ahead all day - I was definitely concerned that there would be some kind of shenanigans and it would happen again. I knew we'd win a fair election but I wasn't sure if this one would be fair. The GOPers don't like fair elections.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #67)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:56 PM

97. I was afraid to

 

get too excited before the election was over.

I learned this w/ Raygun. I remembering saying in 1980...the American people are too smart to elect a B-rated actor into the presidency.

Now, I don't give a sigh of relief until the opposition gives his concession speech.

But I just couldn't see how the Fundies could get behind a Rich, mean Mormon. And those Fundies are the real foot-soldiers.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:06 PM

57. i'd guess that for years mitt has only listened to suck-ups

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:07 PM

59. Only after it was all over did I realize how much fear I'd been holding inside

I knew that if people got out and voted, we'd win, but deep inside I was truly afraid that people would not get out and vote. I just wouldn't let myself ponder the terrifying thought.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:07 PM

60. Well when you plan to suppress the vote and cheat, naturally you wouldn't believe you lost. nt

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:09 PM

63. But they were claiming that the Democratic poll margins were exaggerated and misleading! WTF??

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:22 PM

68. Romney and Ryan thought the fix was in...

this time however Rove never got the chance to "flip the votes" in Ohio as he did in 2004.

Think about it.... the best explanation of the cocksure attitude Romney and Ryan had was that Rove assured them that the fix was in. He would pull of the same "flip of the votes" he got away with in 2004. He never got to pull the trigger because Fox's statisticians called it for Obama before Rove could implement the flip. IMO

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Response to usaf-vet (Reply #68)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:36 PM

72. And it was evident even without Ohio


because of Nevada, and Colorado where Obama was winning handily. Obama would win even if they did manage to steal Ohio.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:32 PM

70. Excellent Piece, Velveteen Ocelot! Been on my mind, too..

WHY!? We've all seen, written, and heard about the fox/limpbaugh Bubble but it's still hard to wrap my head around the fact that no one in the romney campaign Cared Enough to peek outside that Bubble!

Just In Freaking Case! It is quite Bizarre! All that Freaking money and the govs of Florida and Ohio Trying their damndest to Suppress THE VOTE! Which reminds me.. why did we not hear of Voter Suppression in Virginia.. or was there?

Btw, pertaining to rove's many excuses why mitt didn't win.. He Forgot Mitt himself. How many instances have we heard from repubs who weren't voting because they just didn't like mitt? I had one in my sister's in law family.

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Response to Cha (Reply #70)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:50 PM

82. I heard a Democrat is in charge of elections in Virginia..nt

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Response to cally (Reply #82)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:57 PM

98. I thought

 

the SoS in VA was a Repugnant. I looked them all up about a month before the election.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:35 PM

71. I'm not surprised at all, just try to listen to RW Talk radio all day, everyday for a month...

...and you will start to think like them.

It might not even take a month, for most people, it might only take a week to start thinking like them, because they keep repeating their same lies over and over again until it starts to feel like the truth. It's called Brainwashing!

I'm not just reporting what I heard about RW radio, I was forced to listen to it at two different jobs, one was in Orlando in 1993-1994 and one in Atlanta, 1998-2003. The people listening to this crap at the first job were all low-income Republicans and the second one was the owner of the photo lab I worked at, who paid his staff low wages but drove a Mercedes-Benz to work and his wife drove (alone) a Chevy Suburban. They would turn on these talk radio stations and leave them on all day long at high volume.

When I started to feel the brainwashing getting to me, I countered it by turning on NPR, something that did not make me very popular there and probably led to me being the first let go when the business started to decline.

I'm sure when most of them got home they would turn on Fox "news" for their evening programming.

Btw, I was told by my boss with the Mercedes-Benz and the Chevy Suburban that Rush Limpballs told them all to go out and get a Chevy Suburban or some other big-ass SUV back in the late 1990s to get back at us Democrats.

I can't remember what they had labeled us back then.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:43 PM

77. And they should have considered that not all of the 53%

would vote for them. Very simplistic thinking.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:57 PM

83. Listen up.......

My guess a fix WAS in.... based on Rove's behavior and Romney's preparations (or lack of). Someone knows and I bet some anonymous is even reporting it in some forum somewhere...maybe even here.

BUT.....

Combine:

Intense Poll watching.
Intense Exit polling.
All being reported by every competing major network. You saw that shit... county by county projections.
+
On the Ground Social Media Reports.
Random You tube videos showing vote swaps.

++++++
They still had the house secured as a back-up and another 4 years to stall our progress and propagandize against the dems if Obama won.

All of the above likely scared the crap out of the person / persons behind the fix and they caved because they didn't feel the risk was worth it this round. May have been a different story if the house was in jeopardy and you know those Rightwing justices can hang on another 4 years.

You can't turn a blue county red with a "FIX" when everyone and their mother is reporting the historical and statistical odds of the vote. IF people are watching so closely, it's that much more risky to make the attempt.

IF this is true, a lesson to be learned. Let's repeat the intensity of the poll watching and reporting and get it published anywhere and everywhere in 2016. A strong social media network will be key IMO.

My guess is they will continue to work diligently toward voter suppression and lessons will be learned as to how to overcome the protections we used this round. We should probably start now... you know they will.


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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:04 PM

85. them really, really thinking they would win makes the victory all the more sweet

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Response to spanone (Reply #85)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:10 PM

89. It does, doesn't it?

Maybe I'm not a very nice person, but that little frisson of Schadenfreude at seeing Rove wet himself on national TV and all the other GOP heads explode gave me ever so much pleasure.

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Response to spanone (Reply #85)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:19 PM

100. It sure does, I'm enjoying this

so much more because of their shock and pain!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:01 PM

99. His pollster couldn't have been more wrong.

I know him. Grew up with him. He has a good reputation and has worked in GOP politics for years. Very highly respected.

But he screwed up. Not sure why and I'd love to talk to him to get his take on it.

About mid July I started wondering where he was getting his numbers. They just didn't make sense.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:27 PM

107. Since everybody they hang out with

were old white guys, who went strongly for Romney, they thought "Hey, "everybody" is going to vote for us". ... and the old white guy demographic did vote strongly for Rmoney. Unfortunately for them minorities, women, young people and lots of others went strongly for Obama.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:35 PM

109. I WILL TELL YOU WHY.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$



And it didn't work!

I love this country.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:40 PM

110. I think it was bit like the Emperor has no clothes.

Surely the pollsters and analysts knew the truth but they simply couldnt tell Romney.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:44 AM

113. Here's how it went down.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:39 AM

116. He was in the Fox News Bubble.

He believed the propaganda. We saw that in the second debate when his "gotcha" moment turned out to be a big fat fox news lie. He should have learned his lesson then. But he did not.

The articles about Romney's grave misunderstanding of reality were fascinating. They were so confident they had the swing states in the bag, they went to PA--because they actually thought they could get a broader win.

But, it was not just fox news. Remember that the RW pundits on MSNBC, CNN, and most of the networks all said that Romney had the momentum. All of them gave the impression that Romney was going to win. Most of them ridiculed Nate Silver's predictions.

They believed their own propaganda. And that is scary. The fact that propaganda is so powerful that even the architects start to believe it--does not bode well for us.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:00 AM

121. They live in an alternate reality.

They are delusional.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:20 AM

127. They live in a bubble and only hear what they want to hear!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:25 AM

129. "Never believe your own PR"

Someone said that to me a long time ago. The great bubble/echo chamber proves once again that reality has a liberal bias, so of course they would never ever go there.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:27 PM

131. I worked in marketing communications for 20 years at a multiB multinational...

This was during the time when "you create your own reality" and "perception is reality" were on the rise. The marketing mantra where I worked was "We don't have problems. We only have solutions."

Anybody who dared speak truth about a less than wonderful situation, no matter how fixable the problem was...just to suggest something is not perfect or call it a problem...was immediately labeled "negative," dissed and when the chips were down, dumped.

"Houston, we have a problem?" Yeah, they'd be screwed.

Rove is a child of that era. He honestly believes that perception is reality and if you control perception, you control everyday reality. If you have enough money, you can do that to an extent...but no further.

There is some truth to it...but at a much deeper, less material level. Creating the right mindset leads to right decisions that can lead you to the reality you want to create. It all relates to "be the change you want to see." But there will be setbacks and while you're on the road to your personal reality, you may get run down by a drunk who can't drive to their reality fast enough. So you have to drive carefully and watch where you are going and keep an eye on the other cars that may be headed in a different direction toward a different reality.

Anyway, they were abusing a philosophy and turned it into bs, and the bs came back to bite the turd in the butt.

Which brings us to karma kickback, aka shit on a boomerang.


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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:23 PM

133. They thought they BOUGHT the election with the Kochs, Roves, Adelsons and Trumps of this country. I

guess they forgot they were only 1% of the population. The rest of their sheeple were watching FAUX so unaware of the facts and in the dark. The remaining majority who were well informed and wanted to save this country from another Bush disaster, voted for Obama.

AND WE WON! May God and all of the heavenly hosts be with you and your lovely family, President Obama. We've got your back here.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:29 PM

134. Frank Rich wrote a great article on it:

http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/gop-denial-2012-11/

As much as the Republican Party is a radical party, and a nearly all-white party, it has also become the Fantasyland Party. It’s an isolated and gated community impervious to any intrusions of reality from the “real America” it solipsistically claims to represent. This year’s instantly famous declaration by the Romney pollster Neil Newhouse that “we’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers” crystallized the mantra of the entire GOP. The Republican faithful at strata both low and high, from Rush’s dittoheads to the think-tank-affiliated intellectuals, have long since stopped acknowledging any empirical evidence that disputes their insular worldview, no matter how grounded that evidence might be in (God forbid) science or any other verifiable reality, like, say, Census reports or elementary mathematics. No wonder Romney shunned the word Harvard, which awarded him two degrees, even more assiduously than he did Mormon.

At the policy level, this is the GOP that denies climate change, that rejects Keynesian economics, and that identifies voter fraud where there is none. At the loony-tunes level, this is the GOP that has given us the birthers, websites purporting that Obama was lying about Osama bin Laden’s death, and not one but two (failed) senatorial candidates who redefined rape in defiance of medical science and simple common sense. It’s the GOP that demands the rewriting of history (and history textbooks), still denying that Barry Goldwater’s opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Richard Nixon’s “southern strategy” transformed the party of Lincoln into a haven for racists. Such is the conservative version of history that when the website Right Wing News surveyed 43 popular conservative bloggers to determine the “worst figures in American history” two years ago, Jimmy Carter, Obama, and FDR led the tally, all well ahead of Benedict Arnold, Timothy McVeigh, and John Wilkes Booth.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:03 PM

137. I Think....

" Even if they knew Rove had arranged for some kind of vote-flipping scheme in OH (which might explain his weird behavior when OH was called for Obama),"

...Jon Hustead got scared; after Frittcass (sp) Wassermann started legal action on the illegal patches put on the Ohio voting machines. I think he thought about prison time and decided to cancel the flip, investigative reporters can be hard on cheaters.lol And so many other states were going Obama, he realized it wouldn't make a difference anyway.

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Response to strange7 (Reply #137)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:39 PM

138. I suspect that might have been the case.

Husted and his software patch were being closely scrutinized by the courts, to an increasing degree by the media, and apparently by Anonymous as well. Maybe Husted decided to scrub the mission at the last minute because the spotlight was starting to shine on him - and since by that time it looked Mittens was a goner even if the plot succeeded, he may have decided to pull the plug on the thing. And of course he didn't have time to tell Rove, who by then was on TV looking like a befuddled ass.

I hope someday we learn the whole story.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:48 PM

140. Reality won!

nothing more

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:10 PM

142. It proves the GOP do not respect math, science and reality

To be so shell shocked by what was clearly a trouncing shows the complete ineptitude of the right. Do we think all those Bush blunders were coincidental? All the Romney missteps a fluke? This party more and more seems out of touch from intelligence.

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