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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:52 PM

Petreus is resigning from CIA

Because . . . . . . had had an affair?!?!?!?!?

Wow.

Breaking now on MSNBC

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Reply Petreus is resigning from CIA (Original post)
Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 OP
Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #1
kelliekat44 Nov 2012 #55
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #2
Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 #4
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #9
Myrina Nov 2012 #14
No DUplicitous DUpe Nov 2012 #8
No DUplicitous DUpe Nov 2012 #3
librechik Nov 2012 #5
Z_I_Peevey Nov 2012 #6
randome Nov 2012 #15
sufrommich Nov 2012 #42
SoapBox Nov 2012 #7
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #12
SoapBox Nov 2012 #20
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #29
MineralMan Nov 2012 #22
Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 #27
MineralMan Nov 2012 #52
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #30
MineralMan Nov 2012 #46
Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 #53
warrprayer Nov 2012 #31
woodsprite Nov 2012 #62
gcomeau Nov 2012 #18
Popcorn 51 Nov 2012 #10
leveymg Nov 2012 #11
Z_I_Peevey Nov 2012 #13
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #16
malaise Nov 2012 #24
leveymg Nov 2012 #32
malaise Nov 2012 #51
malaise Nov 2012 #64
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #33
malaise Nov 2012 #47
leveymg Nov 2012 #56
leveymg Nov 2012 #35
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #48
Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 #54
leveymg Nov 2012 #61
SoapBox Nov 2012 #17
HappyMe Nov 2012 #19
SoapBox Nov 2012 #23
malaise Nov 2012 #21
justiceischeap Nov 2012 #25
SoapBox Nov 2012 #34
warrprayer Nov 2012 #26
bluedigger Nov 2012 #28
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #36
OregonBlue Nov 2012 #37
Z_I_Peevey Nov 2012 #41
warrprayer Nov 2012 #38
calico1 Nov 2012 #39
randome Nov 2012 #43
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #58
sufrommich Nov 2012 #40
progressoid Nov 2012 #45
Jennicut Nov 2012 #44
randome Nov 2012 #49
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #59
flamingdem Nov 2012 #50
Lucy Goosey Nov 2012 #57
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #60
Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #63

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:53 PM

1. Well I guess there goes the Republicans guy for 2016.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:21 PM

55. More GOP "Family Values"

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:53 PM

2. Are you saying he had an affair or asking?

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:53 PM

4. No. That is the reason he cited in his letter of resignation

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:54 PM

9. Why would he resign over an "affair"?

That must be some affair! Maybe a subordinate?

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:56 PM

14. Maybe it was with Romney or Ryan ....

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:54 PM

8. He admitted to an affair in his letter to the Prez...

Andrea just read the letter on air (msnbc)

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:53 PM

3. Wow is right. nt

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:53 PM

5. oops

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:54 PM

6. Obama 2.0

is taking care of business.

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Response to Z_I_Peevey (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:56 PM

15. O2 - like oxygen for the masses.

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Response to Z_I_Peevey (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:11 PM

42. I seriously doubt Obama would get rid of someone for

a personal reason like this. I'd be very disappointed if he did,not that I believe he did.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:54 PM

7. Idiot...

what the hell is wrong with these guys...keep it in you pants, dude.

If they can't keep these issues under control...how the devil can they do the job they are supposed to do, with a clear mind.

idiot.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:55 PM

12. I agree but...

What kind of affair would it take to force him to resign? Cheating on your wife isn't exactly a high crime in DC.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:57 PM

20. Just say'n...

cheating with a man?

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:00 PM

29. That could do it.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:57 PM

22. Adultery is still a crime in the UCMJ, though.

As far as I know, anyhow.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:59 PM

27. He's not in the military

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:15 PM

52. Perhaps not. He actually may still be a General, though.

In any case, adultery is punishable because it interferes with "good order." Same is true in the CIA, I imagine. Or it could be Benghazi, I suppose. I can't see that it matters, really. He's outa there.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:00 PM

30. He's CIA

Is he still in the military?

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:13 PM

46. I do not know the answer to that question.

He may well be. In any case, the reason adultery can be punished in the military is because it interferes with the mission. The same could be said for the CIA, I think. It's not so much a legal or criminal thing as it is a violation of good order.

It may also be an excuse to get rid of him without mentioning Benghazi.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:18 PM

53. No, he is not in the military. He is retired and not subject to UCMJ.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:01 PM

31. Are spooks

under UCMJ? When they are actually trained in the art of seduction to procure info from targets? (not making this up - this was actually part of training all the way back to the O.S.S.)

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:48 PM

62. Well, if the GF wasn't leaving and the wife gave him an ultimatum

THEN he might be giving up his job. I can see that happening.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:56 PM

18. Ummm...

...my take would be "you're resigning because of marital infidelity?" THAT is stupid.

Secret marital infidelity? something someone could potentially use to get leverage over you and compromise your position? Yeah, problem. KNOWN marital infidelity? Irrelevant to your job duties. Completely. If he's coming out with it in public anyway the resignation is pointless unless there is some other factor that isn't being mentioned.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:55 PM

10. There has got to be more than one affair.

something else is going on here

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:55 PM

11. Sounds like the script in "Seven Days in May." But the botched regime change ops, and Benghazi

are more likely the real cause.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:56 PM

13. My thoughts exactly n/t

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Response to leveymg (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:56 PM

16. He wouldn't admit to an affair just to resign.

Transition is more than enough of a reason.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:58 PM

24. Benghazi??? n/t

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Response to malaise (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:01 PM

32. Many have claimed the initial CIA briefing to Congress given by Petraeus was misleading, and

CIA also came under criticism for its inadequate security and response to the attack. The State Dept. Mission in Benghazi was really an annex to the larger CIA station there. CIA had primary control over security there. If there was a Libyan arms pipeline to Syria, that involved leaking MANPADs, the CIA would have been running that operation.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:15 PM

51. Yep - this is fascinating

was he the leak (or more) to the ReTHUGs?

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Response to leveymg (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:41 PM

64. Thanks for this

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Response to malaise (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:04 PM

33. Still, admitting to an affair?

Seems like a bit much. I think the affair is legit, but it must be pretty bad.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #33)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:14 PM

47. True - someone must have some video

Fuckie Todd says this is on the level - it's the affair and there is no tolerance of affairs at the highest level of the CIA.

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Response to malaise (Reply #47)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:22 PM

56. I can't recall any CIA Director who resigned over an affair.

Lord knows, Allen Dulles, the first CIA Director, had dozens of them.

The only one that came close to that in recent times, off the top of my head, is Deutch, who was accused of using his secure laptop to view internet porn, but there were other more substantial allegations made against him that prompted his resignation in 1996.

Usually, resignations under fire come out of some major policy difference with the White House or because the Director falls on his sword when lesser plausible deniability fails after some catastrophe that was actually ordered by the President.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:05 PM

35. Look at it as Resignation with Prejudice.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:14 PM

48. Yeah, I'm sure there's something more complex than this

not sure we'll ever find out the real reason, though...

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Response to leveymg (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:20 PM

54. I agree with you.

This may even have been a sword fall.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #54)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:48 PM

61. Falling on swords is the Number One cause of death in Langley, VA.

I sort of doubt there was a serious policy difference between Petraeus and the White House on anything we've done in the Mideast. But, someone had to take the fall for losing the Ambassador.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:56 PM

17. And as usual...Mrs. Greenspan is going

on and on and on and on...

blah, blah, blah.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:56 PM

19. Holy crap!



I guess it's better to resign before the shit hits the fan.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:58 PM

23. ...love the Hair on Fire!

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:57 PM

21. I'm betting the lady's name begins with a

B

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:58 PM

25. Retired Col. on MSNBC said it would probably come to light

during Benghazi investigation. And that President Obama would be happy to see him go.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:04 PM

34. One of those D.C. well known secrets?

...and was Issa going to be involved at all in these hearings (or were they going to be hearings by the Senate?)

That ass would have blabbed it right there, just to bring him down.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:58 PM

26. I thought having affairs...

... was all in the line of duty for spooks? Has no one ever seen "James Bond"?

What a riduculous reason to fire a perfectly good spy.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:00 PM

28. It's the right thing to do.

That is an offense subject to termination in his agency. It leaves one open to being compromised. He can't fire people for something he is equally guilty of in good conscience.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:05 PM

36. Compromising his work, probably.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:08 PM

37. I kept thinking during the first debate that the president had gotten some very bad news that day.

He seemed very serious and very distracted. Just another one of my paranoid theories?

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Response to OregonBlue (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:10 PM

41. I was of the same opinion.

When you consider the enormous amounts of dark money in the campaign, the various factions left in place from the Bush/Cheney years and the pre-loaded outrage over Benghazi from the right...well, anything is possible.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:08 PM

38. Oh What a Tangled Web

We weave...

"The Soviets used sex not only for direct recruitment, but as a contingency where an American officer might need to be compromised in the future. The CIA itself made limited use of sexual recruitment against foreign intelligence services. "Coercive recruitment generally didn't work. We found that offers of money and freedom worked better." If the Agency found a Soviet intelligence officer had a girlfriend, they would try to recruit the girlfriend as an access agent. Once the CIA personnel had access to the Soviet officer, they might attempt to double him.

Examples of people trapped by sexual means include:

Clayton J. Lonetree, a US Marine Sergeant embassy guard in Moscow, was entrapped by a female Soviet officer in 1987. He was then blackmailed into handing over documents when he was assigned to Vienna. Lonetree is the first US Marine to be convicted of spying against the United States.
Roy Rhodes, a US Army NCO serving at the US embassy in Moscow, had a one-night stand (or was made to believe he had) with a Soviet agent while drunk. He was later told the agent was pregnant, and that unless he co-operated with the Soviet authorities, this would be revealed to his wife.
Irvin C. Scarbeck, a US diplomat, was entrapped by a female Polish officer in 1961, and photographed in a compromising position. He was blackmailed into providing secrets.
Sharon Scranage, a CIA employee described by one source as a "shy, naive, country girl", was allegedly seduced by Ghanaian intelligence agent Michael Soussoudis. She later gave him information on CIA operations in Ghana, which was later shared with Soviet-bloc countries.
Mordechai Vanunu, who had disclosed Israeli nuclear secrets, began an affair with an American Mossad agent, Cheryl Bentov, operating under the name "Cindy" and masquerading as an American tourist, on September 30, 1986. She persuaded him to fly to Rome, Italy, with her on a holiday. Once in Rome, Mossad agents drugged him and smuggled him to Israel on a freighter.
John Vassall, a British embassy official in Moscow, who was guided by the KGB into having sex with multiple male partners while drunk in 1954. The KGB then used photographs of this incident to blackmail Vassall into providing them with secret information.
Bernard Boursicot, a French diplomat, was entrapped by Shi Pei Pu, who was working for the Chinese government. Shi Pei Pu, a male Chinese opera singer, successfully masqueraded as a woman and told Boursicot he was carrying Boursicot's child. The situation was fictionalized into the play M. Butterfly.
Katrina Leung, indicted as a double agent working for both China and the FBI, seduced her FBI handler, James J. Smith, and was able to obtain FBI information of use to China through him. She also had an affair with another FBI officer, William Cleveland.
In 2006, the British Defence Attaché in Islamabad Pakistan, was recalled home, when it emerged that he had been involved in a relationship with a Pakistani woman, who was an intelligence agent. While the British Government deny that secrets were lost, others sources say that several Western operatives and operations within Pakistan were compromised.
In May 2007 a female officer serving in Sweden's Kosovo force was suspected of having leaked classified information to her Serbian lover who turned out to be a spy.
Won Jeong-hwa, who was arrested by South Korea in 2008 and charged with spying for North Korea, is accused of using this method to obtain information from an army officer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clandestine_HUMINT_asset_recruiting#Love.2C_honeypots_and_recruitment

I think it is fairly safe to say if the U.S.S.R. employed these tactics, we trained our agents in them as well. What a silly bunch of puritan sheep we have in this backward country.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:09 PM

39. Nobody resigns over an affair.

There's got to be more to this.

Maybe he was hoping for a Romney win?

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Response to calico1 (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:12 PM

43. It was a threesome with Newt Gingrich and Michelle Bachmann.

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Response to calico1 (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:23 PM

58. I've heard that Petreus is a Democrat

or more liberal than people think, so I doubt it.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:10 PM

40. Why on Earth would he resign because of an affair?

That is between him and his wife. Strange.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:13 PM

45. Maybe to save his marriage?

If the affair was with a co-worker?

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:13 PM

44. Chuckie Todd said perhaps possible blackmail and intelligence concerns.

Sounds like someone knew...

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #44)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:14 PM

49. Yeah, but Chuckie doesn't know. Any talking head can use the word 'possible'.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #44)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:23 PM

59. Yes, the girl.

That makes sense though.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:14 PM

50. Whatever it is he sounds to wacky to stay

and he's self-firing for a good reason I imagine. Shame, it's good at what he does

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:23 PM

57. An affair could have made him "blackmail-able"

I worked for a while for a (Canadian) federal agency that had strict security requirements. To get cleared, I had to take a polygraph and was grilled about things that could potentially be used against me - affairs, homosexual experiences, abortions, psychiatric care, whatever. To be clear, they didn't care if I had had any of those things per se - they cared if they thought I would betray my country to keep any of those things secret. I have, in fact, been a patient of a psychiatrist in the past, and I disclosed it and still got cleared.

And all of this was just for a Secret clearance for a mid-level finance policy job, nothing approaching the sensitivity of head of the CIA.

I mean, obviously I have no idea what the whole story is with Petraeus, but I thought of my polygraph experience as soon as I read that he was resigning over an affair. It's not entirely impossible that it is just about the affair.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:33 PM

60. That's it? He had an affair? Half of Congress has had affairs. WTF?

 

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:51 PM

63. Now, if only the rest of the crew would follow suit..

Our governments use of thugs, assassins, torturers, blackmailers, is appalling. Not to mention embarrassing to an allegedly civilized nation.

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