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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:16 PM

Obama To House: "I've got this pen. I'm ready to sign the bill right away."

Delivering a statement on the economy on Friday, President Obama urged Congress to extend Bush-era tax cuts on the middle class "right now," while talks on a broader deficit reduction package continue with top Republicans.

"If Congress fails to make an agreement...everybody's taxes will automatically go up on January 1st," Obama said.

"All we need is action from the House," Obama added. "I've got the pen. I'm ready to sign the bill right away."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-calls-on-extending-middle-class-tax-cuts?ref=fpa

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Reply Obama To House: "I've got this pen. I'm ready to sign the bill right away." (Original post)
kpete Nov 2012 OP
godai Nov 2012 #1
Recursion Nov 2012 #2
godai Nov 2012 #4
Recursion Nov 2012 #10
godai Nov 2012 #21
Qutzupalotl Nov 2012 #24
godai Nov 2012 #26
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #34
mac56 Nov 2012 #3
MineralMan Nov 2012 #5
DonRedwood Nov 2012 #7
Dawgs Nov 2012 #6
Skidmore Nov 2012 #8
godai Nov 2012 #11
Dawgs Nov 2012 #22
jberryhill Nov 2012 #31
MineralMan Nov 2012 #9
Dawgs Nov 2012 #16
MineralMan Nov 2012 #20
shraby Nov 2012 #12
Dawgs Nov 2012 #13
godai Nov 2012 #15
Qutzupalotl Nov 2012 #32
DonRedwood Nov 2012 #14
godai Nov 2012 #17
Dawgs Nov 2012 #18
Firebirds01 Nov 2012 #19
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #38
godai Nov 2012 #23
tk2kewl Nov 2012 #25
fugop Nov 2012 #27
godai Nov 2012 #28
fugop Nov 2012 #35
Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #29
Jamaal510 Nov 2012 #30
SidDithers Nov 2012 #33
AlinPA Nov 2012 #36
Autumn Nov 2012 #37
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #39

Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:21 PM

1. Not exactly strong leadership.

I'd prefer he put forward specific demands for Congress to meet or negotiate. Not sure what inviting Repubs to the White House will accomplish.

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Response to godai (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:23 PM

2. That's what he did. He told the House to pass the Senate bill (nt)

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Response to Recursion (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:26 PM

4. Extend the Bush tax cuts...problem solved. n/t

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Response to godai (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:31 PM

10. For 97% of households

Personally, I'd rather just let them all go (the upper income cuts are 800 billion, but the middle income cuts are 2 trillion), but 800 billion is a good bit of grist for the mill, anyways.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:40 PM

21. How about something new...phase out all the Bush tax cuts.

High income now...others over 5 years. The revenue is needed now or eventually.

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Response to godai (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:44 PM

24. That's what he's doing.

High income now. When the economy recovers, the rest.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:46 PM

26. What I've heard is Obama saying to make the lower tax cuts PERMANENT. n/t

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Response to Recursion (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:40 PM

34. Yes...

Yes, he laid it on the table.

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Response to godai (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:23 PM

3. Seriously?!

Noted.

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Response to godai (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:26 PM

5. On the contrary. It is concise, to the point, and firm.

Exactly what is needed at this particular moment. It's a challenge to the House. All they have to do is pass the Senate bill. You knew about that bill, right?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:28 PM

7. +1

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Response to godai (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:27 PM

6. Agree. Asking is not leading. n/t

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:30 PM

8. You can ask while showing your fangs.

Which is what he did. He was asking for something specific to be given to him--the Senate bill.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:32 PM

11. He needs to show his fangs at a press conference...answer questions. n/t

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:41 PM

22. That's fine, but asking and doing are two different things.

Let's just wait until this is over before we decide that he's new and better in his second term.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:16 PM

31. Banging a shoe on a table is so effective though....

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:31 PM

9. You are incorrect. The wise leader always asks that people do things.

It's a fundamental part of leadership. Put your orders in the form of a request. That's a basic thing taught in all schools of management. It encourages cooperation. Commands encourage resistance.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:36 PM

16. BS. Real leadership is following through on what you say.

Fool me once, shame on you...

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:40 PM

20. Yes, indeed it is.

As for being fooled, it's not a habit of mine. Seeya.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:32 PM

12. As far as I can see in the op, Obama didn't "ask" anything. He told them to pass

the bill and he has the pen to sign it with. Otherwise, taxes will automatically go up on Jan. 1.

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Response to shraby (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:34 PM

13. Is that different than the last time he drew a line? n/t

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Response to shraby (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:34 PM

15. Post #9 indicates wise leaders don't do that. n/t

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Response to godai (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:21 PM

32. Wow, two different posters characterized that differently. n/t

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:34 PM

14. And telling them puts the power in their hands--they don't do it, Obama looks weak.

Obama retains control of the conversation by asking. He continues on the same message gaining strength.

Telling means he has to wait to see if they do it. If they don't then what? He tells them again? THen he asks? begs?

Obama is a chess player and by asking he sets them up for check or checkmate.

You have to remember what the real issue is for that chunk of the Republican Congress: they don't do what a black man tells them. And they won't budge because the south elects the guy with the R behind his name period. Scott DesJarlais got reelected after banging his patient, having four mistresses, knocked up a patient, taped a conversation where he was pushing her to have an abortion and played that for his wife who divorced him.

Those kind of people don't budge. So, Obama is going to ask for the support of the Republicans who might be swayed. I'm OK with that. (for now...but I do hope he goes on attack here in a few more days)

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:38 PM

17. OK..first step to get them to do SOMETHING or he can accuse them of inaction.

That's probably what this is all about. Kind of a trial balloon to get a response from the House. But, I believe that, soon, Obama needs to put forward specific proposals beyond what's already in the pipeline.

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:39 PM

18. Agree. I think it's too early to give him the title of 'ultimate leader'

Too many of us have been burned by his other 'lines in the sand' comments.

We'll see if he follows through this time.

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:39 PM

19. He is coming off of huge momentum

 

from the win. We even took extra house seats so this is clear mandate. Its like staring down the opposing team after you score a 90 yard touchdown. Better to politly ask them to get of their ass now while the going is good and people are still focused on the republican defeat. I could be wrong though.

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Response to godai (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:23 PM

38. Leadership is not "demanding", esp when he has no hammer. He cant force Congress to do anything. nm

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:44 PM

23. President Obama. Here's a new idea. A defense tax.

This would be an x% payroll tax for those with incomes above say, $250k. Let them pay for the additional defense spending if they are so in favor of it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:46 PM

25. Wield that Big Stick Bro!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:54 PM

27. Heh.

Three days after the election. Check. First address pushing for change. Check. DU thread with people already crapping on the president's lack of strong leadership and whining that he's not doing enough. Fuckin' check.

Jeebus. I just can't stand it.

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Response to fugop (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:57 PM

28. Actually it's been 4 years and 3 days. The same person is President...same Congress. n/t

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Response to godai (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:41 PM

35. Wrong.

He's not the same president. Wake up. He's learned things he could only learn on the job. He's got the leverage that comes from tax cuts expiring even if he does NOTHING. And perhaps most important, he no longer has to try and please the left and the right and everyone in between because the elections are OVER! No need to campaign ever again. Now we'll see, I suspect, what he's really made of. (Hint: I think it's strong stuff, not weak.)

So right now, we have no idea how BO will govern yet. He's got a completely different dynamic guiding him. Will he be stronger? Weaker? More progressive? Less? Guess what? WE DON'T KNOW!

But by all means, proceeeeed, governor. Assume you know from this one speech that the president is weak. I'm not buying it. But it's your right, so enjoy.

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Response to fugop (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:59 PM

29. Right there with you.

 

I sincerely believe the President is not going to allow us to get screwed.

Not one stroke of the pen and people are already shitting themselves as if it's the end of the world.

Until we have a supermajority, people need to sit down and shut the hell up about what they want out of this second term. Because with a Republican House, things are not going to be easy. We didn't elect a dictator.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:06 PM

30. This.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:38 PM

33. Obama will veto any bill extending tax cuts for those making more than $250K...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:44 PM

36. Seriously, will any republicans go to the White House? Teabaggers will go berserk if Boehner or

McConnell go there to meet with the President.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:47 PM

37. Let all of those tax cuts expire. All of them.

Have a new bill ready to go on Jan 1 with stand alone tax cuts for the poor and middle class. Fuck the agreement from the house.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:25 PM

39. I agree. nm

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