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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:10 PM

I tried to sympathize with the "mourning Romney" pics. And failed.

Gloating is not an appropriate reaction for the party and people who regard themselves as the sane, rational, adults in the political room.

So, when I went to the "White People Mourning Romney" aggregations and looked at the pictures, and saw older women in tears, children seemingly crushed, families embracing each other, I couldn't laugh at their pain. They weren't faking anything. They believed, as they believed four years ago, that something terrible and incomprehensible had happened to their country.

But as I continued to scroll down and saw the tweets from the likes of Victoria Jackson, saw the store closed in protest, the utterly disingenuous threats to leave the country for "Australia," sympathy segued into confusion.

What, exactly, ARE these people feeling? Or more accurately, what are they THINKING? Obama has been in office for four years. Satan has not appeared. We have not been herded into Stalinist camps. "Sharia law" has not been imposed. And yet they went right back to apparent visions of apocalypse under whatever kind of crypto-villain Obama supposedly is this week as though nothing had happened since 2008.

None of them -- not one -- expressed a single genuine critique of an Obama policy, or articulated how Romney or any Republican, would have done something better. How could they, when Romney himself relied on attacking healthcare reform modeled on one he enacted as Governor of Massachusetts, and promised spending increases and tax cuts AND deficit reduction, while refusing to say how that is possible?

None of them defended the insane Republican platform on women's rights. Or the war-mongering toward Iran. Or the bloody 4% in additional taxes the rich may someday have to pay if the Bush cuts are actually allowed to expire as they were intended to do.

Instead it was same, willfully idiotic blather. "Socialism and Marxism," from people who wouldn't know either if it bit them on the liver. Cries about God and freedom and the Constitution in the vaguest possible terms.

NOTHING. They have literally nothing to point to, except their own willful ignorance, painfully transparent racial panic, and a seemingly inexhaustible supply of entitled dismay that simply yelling and jumping up and down did not bring victory.

So I landed at last at anger and, sorry to say, contempt. This election did not happen because of the media. Or Hurricane Sandy. Or even because of America's changing demographics and the Republican Party's determination to alienate every non "wealthy white male" in the country.

It happened because Republicans made a stand on being irrational. On relying on identity politics most politely described as tribalism. On social and ecomonic absolutism flying directly in the face of every known fact.

They chose to believe they were entitled to win based on monolithic opposition and bulletproof resistance to any fact-based discussion, compromise, or generosity of spirit. They would simply stand in the corner and shout insults until they got their way. And they did not.

Good. Cry, Republicans, cry. Get it out of your system. The world is not, in fact, what you wish it to be or what you claim it is. It is instead, what it IS. You cannot shout and threaten and pout your way into control.

We'll still be here when and if you want to work on our problems from the premise that a moderate, Hawaiian-born Harvard graduate who doesn't look exactly like you is not the anti-Christ, that tax cuts don't pay for themselves, wars are not our national sport, the climate is changing, and that women and their wombs are not your personal property.

Buck up, Republicans. The world is still here, just like it was four years ago. Hop on board. It's not as bad as you think. In fact, it's a little bit better than it was just a while ago.

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Reply I tried to sympathize with the "mourning Romney" pics. And failed. (Original post)
DirkGently Nov 2012 OP
Permanut Nov 2012 #1
nashville_brook Nov 2012 #4
Permanut Nov 2012 #6
DirkGently Nov 2012 #8
nashville_brook Nov 2012 #2
liberalmuse Nov 2012 #3
Bryn Nov 2012 #5
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meeshrox Nov 2012 #16
leftyohiolib Nov 2012 #24
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #28
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Sheepshank Nov 2012 #7
Blanks Nov 2012 #9
DirkGently Nov 2012 #10
nashville_brook Nov 2012 #18
DirkGently Nov 2012 #36
Blanks Nov 2012 #52
DirkGently Nov 2012 #62
Xyzse Nov 2012 #11
DCKit Nov 2012 #15
Xyzse Nov 2012 #22
DCKit Nov 2012 #13
struggle4progress Nov 2012 #14
DCKit Nov 2012 #17
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DirkGently Nov 2012 #61
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gollygee Nov 2012 #26
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calimary Nov 2012 #29
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DirkGently Nov 2012 #51
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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:20 PM

1. Great analysis, Dirk..

You've hit the nail squarely on the head. Tribalism often trumps reason. Always makes me think of both Orwell and Eric Hofer's True Believer. Neither of them lived to see the way this has rolled out, but I don't think either would be happy to know how prophetic they were.

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Response to Permanut (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:34 PM

4. +1

one thing that postmodernism got right was that the trajectory of post-enlightenment progress wasn't exactly a straight arrow. We've doubled back for a while...now to true our aim.

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Response to nashville_brook (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:45 PM

6. We've doubled back..

Nicely put; I was naive enough not to see it coming.

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Response to Permanut (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:36 PM

8. It's like they were determined not to TRY


Like figuring out any real points of discussion was beneath them.

It's the attitude of the boss daring you to insult his hideous tie.

So what they're mad about, we can only surmise, is not that their ideas lost, but that their ideas that ideas *don't matter* lost.

"Okay, you guys got one by us. Big mistake, as you can tell by all our screaming about birth certificates. So here's the deal: We'll going to put up a rich, secretive plutocrat who himself refuses to articulate any consistent or detailed point of view from our camp. The right camp.

On top of that, we're going to introduce some really hideous mistaken ideas from the past. On labor, women's rights, the social safety net. Just totally nutso, cruel stuff we used to get away with all the time. We're not going to explain any of it, but you know, it's US. The bossmen. Shut up and take it, and we'll try to forget that whole thing happened before. You're welcome."

They didn't want to give up the idea that the Tribe conquers all. Now they know their tribe isn't in control, doesn't hold the big club.

Thus, panic. Tears. Prayer to a universe they believe has abandoned them.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:24 PM

2. all i can say is holy crap -- you nailed it.

good job summing up what i also think is the national mood right now.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:26 PM

3. Beautifully said!

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:41 PM

5. Great post! My cousin posted this on her facebook ...

My cousin posted this on her facebook. Nearly all of my relatives liked and agreed with her. I think I am the only one who's a liberal. She had been my fave cousin and my best friend. Now she's angry at me. I didn't comment on it, thought best to stay away. She seems to have become right wing batshit crazy as she grew older.

I don't care about political correctness or any of these other "modern" terms. Its about freedom of speech, its about my rights as a citizen of the 'for now' United States of America. I have loved my country but for the first time, I am ashamed of the majority of the voting population. How sad a day it is for me. You either voted for him or you didn't vote and that was a vote for him. PLEASE unfriend me if you don't like what I say. I have listened to people I know spew their liberal views and I said nothing in return nor did I unfriend them. Lets see how tolerant they are. GOD BLESS AMERICA, formerly known as a Christian nation. I am going to do all I can to make it a Christian nation once again..... will you join me? GOD BLESS AMERICA (I have never sat under a so-called pastor who said "God damn America" - and it looks like he has).

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Response to Bryn (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:55 PM

12. what "freedom of speech" rights did Obama take from her?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:06 PM

16. I have a feeling asking her would not clarify anything...

Just as the handful of FB friends I have that took the time to type out their hate and bigotry and let me know the world was about to end. Not one could support or clarify beyond the talking points. I wish I could get through to them and say that it's going to be OK and they don't need to be afraid. It's really just fear driving this wedge. Sadly, everything I said was met with a change of subject to the next horrific thing on their list that BO has done.

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Response to Bryn (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:36 PM

24. "formerly known as a Christian nation"-huh? oh is THAT what the treaty of tripoli was about

ha silly me

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:47 PM

28. In their heads.

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Response to Bryn (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:04 AM

56. My cousin un-friended my on election night. We were close as kids but never lived near each other,

so we didn't grow up together, but we always had fun during family visits. We really haven't really kept in touch over the years, but he "friended" me last year. He's career Navy and as FB friends we chatted about our love mutual of Battle Star Galactica when were were kids, a show that inspired him to become a pilot. His mom is my favorite Aunt, and we've always had good relations between families over time, but we just don't always keep in touch as much as "we should". We both have much older siblings and he was the surprise of his family like I was in mine.

Fast forward to election night.

I'm political on DU, this is my outlet, but I keep my FB page as place for silly LOL cats, music videos and archaeology/astronomy articles. It's clear that I'm a liberal, but I'm not overtly political in my postings. On election night, the only things I posted were congratulations to Tammy Baldwin on her historic victory and a joke about all the newly elected women found a way to "shut that whole thing down".

I'm surprised by his thinned skinned actions. It's sad that he's willing to write off family because I support human rights, etc, but I guess this is the new reality of FOX news battle lines.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:01 PM

7. well done...a good read n/t

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:36 PM

9. In some cases it's like a sporting event.

You're emotionally invested in the game, and it takes a little while to recover.

I'm going to give it a little time before I beat up on them. I didn't like the 'Sore Loserman' shirts and signs in 2000.

Those were especially difficult since I don't believe Gore lost, but the point is: I don't like when folks rub defeat in my face; I believe the golden rule is applicable in this case.

If there is any tension between us and our political adversaries now; I believe we are only extending the tension by not giving them time to lick their wounds. It is better to laugh at them in here; where they shouldn't be offended by what we say liberal to liberal.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:42 PM

10. I'm not laughing. I'm appalled and angry.


Not appalled that Republicans are being bad sports. Appalled that they indulged themselves, again, in this ridiculous melodrama where, for reasons they cannot rationally explain, Obama is the worst thing that ever happened to America. Or the Earth. Or Chistendom.

Over ... what? Tax breaks for billionaires? Health reform that's 1) A Republican idea and 2) already doing some good?

But yeah, it stays here. I'm not going to be putting on any "Suck it, Romney" t-shirts anytime soon.

But the first time I get an "incredulous" query from a real-life Republican about "how this could have happened / Marxist Marxist aaaah," I'm going to tell them what I think, without sarcasm or profanity.

They need it.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:08 PM

18. maybe not for Romney folks,

but will certainly wear the SUCK IT tshirt with Allen West's sorryass mug.

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Response to nashville_brook (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:23 PM

36. Harder to be circumspect when he won't even concede.


Gack. That guy's creepy. And angry. And also creepy.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:33 PM

52. If they want to understand how this could happen...

I like the growing demographic theory. Blacks, Latinos, LGBT, women, educated people, people who see through Fox News, people who see through hate-radio, people who are confused by the motivation of candidates washing clean pans, people who are confused by the motivation of candidates who lie about marathon times, people who think that a presidential candidate should actually have a plan (that he isn't afraid to talk about), people who are aware of who was financing the republican campaign. 'Those people' decided to vote for Obama.

Conservatives decided to make a case for people to vote against the president; they should have at least put up candidates that could win their home states.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #52)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:43 AM

62. They relied on not just whites, males & Christians ...

but stupid ones?

America en masse can be pretty dumb. But there are limits to how much bullshit even this country will sign off on, apparently.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:44 PM

11. I think that is where I'm at

I did not laugh, I considered them being melodramatic.
I was relieved, and did exactly what I did during the time my mother was trying to rile me up saying that she thinks Romney would win, and was being loud about it.

Not much will change from the current state. Not unless people willfully sabotage themselves.

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Response to Xyzse (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:04 PM

15. You've got the RW mom too?

 

Mine passed nearly two years ago, but dayum, we have something in common.

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Response to DCKit (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:32 PM

22. I'm an Independent

My father who passed away years back was a Democrat, further to the left of me.

I just let her do what she thinks. She is in Financial Services, so the companies she deals with made things a bit harder with them dumping products.

Granted, I am partly in Financial Services too, but I do mine part of the time. I just tend to look at things on a longer view, where Financial Institutions will create other products instead to compensate. The business is making money, that will never stop.

I think they are over-reacting. As for me, times like these would be for buying.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:02 PM

13. You aren't alone. It's not a tragedy for us. nt

 

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:02 PM

14. I don't wanna understand how they think, cuz if I did then I'd be crazy too

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:06 PM

17. That's what I say too.

 

There's "fun crazy" and there's "scary crazy". They don't seem to get that.

Why do we get to be the only sane ones?

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:11 PM

19. Thank you, Dirk.

Very nicely stated.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:14 PM

20. I have a tough time feeling sad for a many who got wealthy putting working class people out of jobs

that's just me.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:23 PM

21. Smart Democrats consistently try to understand Ignorant / Brainwashed Republicans

 


Smart Democrats consistently try to understand Ignorant / Brainwashed Republicans

I appreciate your thread because I too cannot understand this being a close race.. who on God's earth actually voted for that heinous excuse for a man, Romney

but having grown up in Georgia, home of the bible belt, I gained a new appreciation for the ways Religion brainwashes people.. I'm pretty sure if you overlaid the 'religious filter' on Romney voters, you'll find that more than 90% of his voters are what we would call 'extremely religious'

I learned you can't reason with crazy. Because that brainwashing is truly making those poor people crazy.

If we do anything in this country we should stop all government subsidies to Churches, and start to intervene on a culture tha tallows churches, especially in Rural areas, to brainwash our neighbors to their own personal harm.

I think there is so much more to the story of the crying romney supporters but facts are not something they consider.

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Response to sally5050 (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:11 PM

33. I guess I'm hoping they'll be shocked into


reconsidering some part of their world view. I'm not religious, but I think most people who are can be rational.

The only person in my workplace to appear every day for the past several weeks with an Obama button on (and management is expressly Republican) has a Divinity degree and runs a summer surf camp through his church. He is devout, but smart, and he's had it with how hard it's become for so many people to just get by.

I'm hoping this loss will jar some of the heretofore less rational Republicans into reconsidering some of their assumptions, religious and otherwise.

Too much to ask?

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:32 PM

23. And poor Old Clint Eastwood.

Now he's reduced to talking to Kid Rock and Victoria Jackson.

The chair was smarter.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:37 PM

25. Ms Jackson is a very strange person. She comes from the planet Kolab. Not a nice person.

 

For me when my father use to come home from work we would watch how he was feeling. If he came in and said hi to everyone and he had a smile then we knew things were ok. If he came in a bad mood then we all went to our bedrooms and gave in space to have time to unwind. That is what we need to do with republicans.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:19 PM

45. I really liked her on SNL. Thought the wide-eyed nitwit thing was her act.


But, yeah. Kolab, Definitely. Or Phleeborg. Some place where the atmosphere is thin and kind of Jolly Rancher-flavored.

Poor thing. They keep letting her go on television and do this to herself in public. Criminal, really.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #45)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:03 PM

47. Well I have to say I don't watch SNL much and I don't remember her. She really is a wacko

 

who is delusional. I usually don't care what actors think in politics or who they vote for. They have a right to their opinions but honey she really is riding the crazy train to nowhere.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #47)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:19 PM

48. She used to do little songs & perform handstands on


the Weekend Update desk. Once, she had on flag-themed spangly underpants while she sang a patriotic song she'd written. When she did the handstand ... flag!

Okay, that probably doesn't dilute the "crazy train to nowhere" theme very well, does it?

But at the time I thought it was cute, absurdist humor, not a prelude to weird rants about secret CIA meetings and impending Sharia law and her hatred of Christians who failed to prevent Obama from causing the "death of America" or whatever.

She seemed less insane then. More ... eccentric?

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #48)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:31 AM

55. Well maybe she fell on her head when doing the hand stand. Bless her little heart.

 

Your being kind saying she was more eccentric. You see I never saw her on the SNL show so you saw that part of her. I only saw the hate filled rants of a wacko on the crazy train to nowhere. I have nothing against SNL.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #55)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:29 AM

57. both her and Dennis Miller have been abducted by aliens and replaced with reptiles.

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Response to nashville_brook (Reply #57)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:54 AM

59. Have you ever noticed how comedians on the right aren't as funny as the ones on the left.

 

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #59)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:35 AM

61. *cough* Foxworthy *cough cough*

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #61)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:02 PM

65. he is ok. But you can only say "Only a redneck".............

 

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #65)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:04 PM

66. He & Miller were both funnier pre-politics.


Dennis really went off the deep end though.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #66)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:47 PM

67. I still like Foxworthy. He isn't mean spirited so I will watch him. But I never like Miller even

 

before he starting getting into politics. I just never cared for him.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:39 PM

26. When I look at those photos and tweets, I see an insane level of entitlement

These people seem to think they're entitled to have the president be the person they want, despite the election process.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:46 PM

27. at

the base of the stupidity and ignorance pointed out here is the FACT that 48% of american voters wasted their vote on a loser like mittshit only because in most cases of their rational, he was white and our President is mixed race, brown as it were. I think our country will remain hopelessly divided when it comes to the sickness of racial hate in america. All this talk of buying farmland and guns, call for open revolution and anarchy. "Christians" calling Obama the anti-christ. This is madness and hatred of the most virulent and ignorant kind and ONLY because of his race. Yeah he won with a coalition of races and cultures, but that rabid dog called the 48% percent is still large enough to cause problems. Good luck america in the next four years.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:48 PM

29. Superb!!! As a mom, all I see when I watch groups of teabaggers acting up -

are adult-sized three-year-olds throwing temper tantrums in the cereal aisle at the store, because Mom didn't buy them 30 boxes of the manufactured processed sugar they demanded. Just acting up and acting out. Spoiled brat-children who weren't raised properly.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:59 PM

30. Excellent piece!

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:02 PM

31. this is among the best of the best posts evar!

There have been a lot of superb posts celebrating our victory--and by that I mean the victory of progress and Good.

This definitely ranks among the very best !

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:13 PM

34. +1

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:03 PM

32. Elephantine stages of grief:

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:36 PM

51. Blahahahha!

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:19 PM

35. Awesome post! n/t

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:32 PM

37. I will gloat all I like...

...they spent the better part of the last four years trying to sabotage our economy through endless obstruction in order to defeat the President. They failed. They're ideology is failing. Soon they will be a failed political party. What these people have tried to do to deprive others of their democratic rights, of their very right to love one another as they see fit, of food, of healthcare, of hope is despicable and I will not show compassion or sympathy for such foolishness. If they do not want to be offended by such gloating, they can switch sides.

"So I landed at last at anger and, sorry to say, contempt."

I will land on determination to taste sweet victory in 2014 and 2016 and 2018 and 2020...we will not get that by feeling sympathy for such irrationality.

I think maybe you really have to feel the stakes deep in your bones to know that this is not an intellectual exercise. This is life, and death. Just ask our military forces in Afghanistan...

They will get the Joe Biden Smile and nothing more.

BIDEN: R.C. East is the most dangerous place in the world.

RYAN: Thatís right. Thatís why we donít want to send fewer people to theÖ

BIDEN: Thatís ó thatís why we should send Americans in to do the job, instead of the ó youíd rather Americans be going in doing the job instead of the trainees?

RYAN: No. We are already sending Americans to do the job, but fewer of them. Thatís the whole problem.

BIDEN: Thatís right. Weíre sending in more Afghans to do the job, Afghans to do the job.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:43 PM

38. I don't think gloating helps anyone.


I have contempt for the self-indulgent melodrama centered around the mythological conservative approach to politics. The anti-Christ talk. The invoking of "Socialism and Marxism" with no idea what either entail (or that Socialism, at least, is a successful part of our society already).

But I won't chuckle at their pain. I won't tweak their noses about it. I am angry, that so many people entertain a mythological view of social and political issues, to the point where they believe things about Obama that are observably false.

The stakes ARE high. High enough that we can't afford to be childish about this. We can be angry, and still hope Republicans learn something here.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:00 PM

39. I don't think being polite about it helps anyone either.

Like I said, they get the Joe Biden smile and that's it. I'll laugh in their faces. They can wise up, or shut up. Period.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:09 PM

40. I don't think we win playing it their way. We're smarter. Less childish.

Angry is a thing that rational, serious people can be. Nose tweaking, not so much.

Gloating is just weak, is all. If we're right (and we are) we don't need to dance on the corpse.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:36 PM

41. only thing I care to side on is some of the abortion issue

but I haven't the stats to prove who kills more. if abortion is considered kills. add this to the death tally around the world... vs the fact people getting abortion is shrinking..

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:36 PM

42. Those pictures made me very sad, especially the ones of children...

sad for us, and this nation, not for them. Holy crap, look what we have to work through! How are we going to do it?

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:25 PM

43. hopefully the Mourning White People will be soon forgotten...irrelevant.

like you said, we've got work to do. these folks need to get with the program.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:51 PM

44. When I see those pictures of children, looking devastated

I'm sad too. But then I wonder: What did their parents tell them was happening? "Bronco Bama will come and take our freedums?" It couldn't possibly have been, "Well, son, we disagree with the way he went about healthcare reform, and feel that tax cuts for the wealthy should continue, as we believe they stimulate economic growth."

Maybe now they'll consider toning down telling the kids the fate of humanity hangs on not electing a Democrat.

I think the 2010 elections encouraged right wingers to think the country had come around their way of thinking. The backlash over union rights and the crazy abortion laws should have been a clue, but apparently for many it was not.

This re-election is another story altogether. Obama's election was not a glitch. Not a heedless reaction to a stupendously bad Republican President. People not only re-hired him, they fought to do so. Stood in line. Filled out forms. Gutted it out.

That's pretty devastating to the narrative that America was overwhelmed with buyer's remorse, either for Obama, or the Democratic Party in general. It doesn't mean everyone supports everything about Obama or the party, but it does mean they looked at what both sides had to offer, and firmly rejected Romney and the Republicans.

If that's shattering, it is sad. But it's a shattering that needed to happen. Now they have to figure out why the majority of the country doesn't share their apocalyptic view of Obama.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:22 PM

46. Romney never apologized to the gay student in his private college he viciously attacked with his

Romney possee and held him down and cut his hair.... Romney didn't pay taxes from 1996 to 2009 and maintained he paid at least 13%. Romney lied saying jeep was closing down american plants and moving to China...Romney lied when he said he loved America.

I can't pity a fool whose only love and ambition is money and more money.

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Response to rustydog (Reply #46)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:22 PM

50. Romney himself? Nope. Just "contempt" there.


I think he's a very unpleasant person with a truly bizarre dark side. Don't forget "dressed up like a cop to fake-arrest his friends-hahaha."

Yech.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:21 PM

49. Excellent. Rec.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:37 PM

53. You have to remember these are not rational people, they are motivated by fear.

They crying, the despair...reactions to fear of change, fear of losing control, fear of those who are different than their white little bubble worlds.

I don't think they'll ever want to work on problems, fear grips them too tightly.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:02 AM

54. I can't help but feel bad for them

Not the rich Romney donors who lost money or the bloviating talking heads who predicted a Romney landslide. But on a human level, I can't help but feel bad for the activists who supported him, the people in those pictures. While I think their fears about Obama are completely unfounded, I remember what it was like to have a president who I felt was destroying the country and feeling powerless to stop it after 2004, and that all of my efforts to stop it had been for naught. Obviously I disagree with these people who think Obama is destroying the country, but I have no doubt that they believe it as sincerely as I believed Bush was. I was driving past Exit 89 on I-95 in Maryland when my mom called and told me Kerry conceded, and to this day I still get a nauseous feeling whenever I pass that exit. So on a human level, I have to feel sorry for the people who believed in Romney and worked hard for his campaign. I guess maybe I am too soft that way...I discovered in 2002 and 2004 that I can be a very sore loser, but not so much of a sore winner.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:38 AM

58. Excellent post.


many thanks, K+R

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:06 AM

60. k&r

The last four legislative years and the election were all about Republicans punishing the coalition who helped elect Obama. The vicious firings of employees of right wing companies on the morning of the crushing defeat of their standard bearer is outright class war.

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Response to DirkGently (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:33 AM

64. Wonderful post.

Thank you for taking the time to write and share. K&R

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