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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:58 AM

Conservative post on Facebook (you're going to like this)

This is the post:
I am copy and pasting this from an article I was reading. It did not start with Obama and I wish people could remember back 4-5 years ago.

"It wasn't supposed to end like this. Not for George W. Bush, the inveterate optimist who thought his presidency would somehow conclude on a high note despite his abysmal job-approval ratings and his unpopular policies. As recently as September, he told friends of his confidence that positive news out of Iraq, where a surge in U.S. troops had helped quell rampant violence, would
soon dominate the headlines and give him a PR lift. Instead, the media today are focusing on the financial meltdown and the ongoing recession—and many are blaming him for the crisis."


And this is a response (from another conservative)

People either don't remember, or just don't know how close we came to the edge in 2008.

There were very real fears that all credit could stop - that means banks wouldn't have been able to lend money to each other, so they wouldn't have money to lend businesses, and businesses wouldn't have money to pay workers, and workers wouldn't have money to live. As it happened, we got off "lucky" and only lost 675K jobs a month and watched the Dow tumble 7,000 points. Some luck.

There were lots of reasons. Democrats point to wild deregulation during the Bush years. Republicans point to loosening of home lending pushed by Democrats. What is unmistakable, though, is that Barack Obama did not create it, and it should surprise no one that we're still in the middle of an economic hangover.

Is the economy in great shape now? No. Are we better off than four years ago? Yes - by ANY measure.

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Reply Conservative post on Facebook (you're going to like this) (Original post)
Horse with no Name Nov 2012 OP
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #1
sadbear Nov 2012 #2
Horse with no Name Nov 2012 #4
TalkingDog Nov 2012 #6
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #8
Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #12
hootinholler Nov 2012 #7
Jamastiene Nov 2012 #3
Raster Nov 2012 #5
ThomThom Nov 2012 #9
mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2012 #10
leftyohiolib Nov 2012 #11
12AngryBorneoWildmen Nov 2012 #14
leftyohiolib Nov 2012 #16
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #13
ffr Nov 2012 #15


Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:05 AM

2. Is this conservative a Gen Xer?

Because I can't see a Boomer conservative or a Millennial conservative being this honest, or knowledgeable, about what really happened.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:08 AM

4. They aren't boomers

I guess Gen X? They are around Obama's age.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:26 AM

6. That would be X although the Baby Boomers are counted up until 1964

Obama was born in 61.

If you ascribe to any generational theory, it's doesn't matter when he was born exactly, it's who his cohorts were.

In other words if he was born in the late 50's but only had younger or older people to hang around with, his cultural influences would tend toward his peer group.

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Response to TalkingDog (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:37 AM

8. i was born in 61 as well- and i'm MUCH more GenX than boomer.

 

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Response to TalkingDog (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:59 AM

12. Seems to me it's when you hit the age of sex for fun....

Whether it was pre- or post-AIDS.

Pre-AIDS: Things below the waist were considered to be a happy meal.

Post-AIDS: All fluids were poison.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:33 AM

7. We can be either

I am a 51 yo boomer (youngest in family), I have friends who are GenX my age (eldest in family).

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:06 AM

3. I read that wrong.

I read that one part as "Not for George W. Bush, the invertebrate optimist..."

I seriously had to go back and reread that section.

You know it is bad when conservatives are admitting how much Bush fucked everything up so badly and that, yes, we are better off. It might be slightly better off, but it is much better than the alternative would have been under a Republican with more failed policies that they won't change even after those policies ruin the economy, environment, and everything else under the Sun.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:22 AM

5. said before and will say again: the damage cheney*/bush* did to this country....

....will haunt us for decades.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:45 AM

9. I remember a speech George gave where he told us he was loosening lending

rules so everyone could buy a home
We had just bought our first home a year before and had jumped throw all the hoops to qualify that is why I remember so clearly. So don't blame Dems for that deregulation because it flat ain't true.
Variable rate mortgages are a really bad idea that predates this deregulation and never were a good idea. You combine these mortgages with no money down 120% loans and disaster is going to happen.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:51 AM

10. I knew it was going to OPEN

a lot of eyes. I have Republican friends who show their disdain for their Party and their Platform by remaining Republican and Voting Democratic. This in my OPINION is what has Created such a Fracture in the republican party. The President peeled off some votes in key republican strongholds. There are some Republicans who know exactly what the GOP are doing and are ordinary Americans doing an extraordinary thing. Because to stand up in a community for what is RIGHT is hard when you must live, work, and exist in that environment. And though I have my dislikes about the Republican Leadership, I have noticed that we did change the way some view the office of the Presidency. For those Republicans you have your work cut out for you. You must now believe in things that your own Republican Party told you was non-existent. Now you must face Certain realities. Like Climate change, Tax Fairness, Educational Security,World Health Crisis,Crumbling Infrastructure like roads and bridges,sewer plants and disposal, which in turn all stimulate the Economy. And you will always have the SHADOW of dis-trust for years to come with Minorities in this Country!!! Looks like my fantasy of pulling those three remaining hairs off the top of Karl Rove's head will not be fulfilled, they are being yanked out by his own Party

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:56 AM

11. loosening home lending was started by bush - remember bushs' speech about

your 1st home doesnt have to be a poor home you can have a nice home or something like it anyway ound this speech
source http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/09/2002-bushs-speech-to-white-house.html

i know it's a blog but it's from a transcript in the blog
excrpt
Freddie Mac recently began 25 initiatives around the country to dismantle barriers and create greater opportunities for homeownership. One of the programs is designed to help deserving families who have bad credit histories to qualify for homeownership loans. …

now hw says this :Republicans point to loosening of home lending pushed by Democrats" since when did the republicans do ANYTHING the dems were "pushing" back then

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:37 PM

14. "you don't have to have a lousy home"

like most of you pathetic scum.

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Response to 12AngryBorneoWildmen (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:02 PM

16. yea something like that do you remember that speech - iwas tryin to find it but couldnt find that

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:52 PM

15. In 2001 the country was fighting over the $5.7T surplus.

That's not a typo, for those that didn't know or don't remember $5,700,000,000,000, over the next decade. The forecast by the Congressional Budget Office estimated budget surpluses of between $5.6T - $5.7T.

CBO forecasts: 2000 & 2001

How soon we forget. And who exactly left office at the beginning of 2001 again?

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