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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:18 AM

 

If you have any Republican family or friends in shock over the 7th, send this to them.

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Reply If you have any Republican family or friends in shock over the 7th, send this to them. (Original post)
Whovian Nov 2012 OP
beac Nov 2012 #1
barbtries Nov 2012 #3
PatSeg Nov 2012 #16
RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #23
barbtries Nov 2012 #27
Tutonic Nov 2012 #2
Debau2005 Nov 2012 #4
Whovian Nov 2012 #6
GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #7
Dog Gone at Penigma Nov 2012 #19
MOMFUDSKI Nov 2012 #8
vduhr Nov 2012 #14
Arkansas Granny Nov 2012 #5
humbled_opinion Nov 2012 #12
lindysalsagal Nov 2012 #28
MessiahRp Nov 2012 #33
lefthandedskyhook Nov 2012 #9
DaveJ Nov 2012 #15
lefthandedskyhook Nov 2012 #17
kskiska Nov 2012 #10
Cheviteau Nov 2012 #11
Kadie Nov 2012 #13
jsmirman Nov 2012 #25
BlueStreak Nov 2012 #18
Skittles Nov 2012 #21
BlueStreak Nov 2012 #22
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #30
Skittles Nov 2012 #35
markpkessinger Nov 2012 #26
dchill Nov 2012 #31
april Nov 2012 #20
Whovian Nov 2012 #24
dchill Nov 2012 #29
Cha Nov 2012 #32
onecent Nov 2012 #34

Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:21 AM

1. Love it.

But glad I have no FAUX News-brainwashed relatives to send it to.

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Response to beac (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:53 AM

3. sadly, i do

but i've decided to lighten up on the political fb posts. come to think of it i should probably check my friend list since i probably lost a few
i just don't think they're going to be able to follow the evidence to its obvious conclusion: they've been lied to. the election was not even close.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:09 AM

16. Same here

And they used to be fairly sane and normal. They have been thoroughly brainwashed by FOX and Rush. If I thought it would make a difference, I would send this to them, but I just avoid political discussions with them. Not worth arguing with people who listen to FOX.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:22 PM

23. didn't ALL the media lie and say it was close?

 


Didn't ALL the media and lie and say Romney won those debates, and Paul Ryan won- give me a break!

ALL of the media needs to be held accountable for lying on our public airwaves, blatantly shilling for profit.

It is disgusting and absurd they do not lose their FCC license.

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Response to RepublicansRZombies (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:19 PM

27. yeah, pretty much

you're right. but the fairness doctrine as i recall went out with reagan.

fox is by far the worst imo

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:24 AM

2. No, leave em be.

Why have them pollute our conversations and space. SOme of them seem to enjoy getting fleeced election after election.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:00 AM

4. It won't help mine

I had someone yell at me last night that President Obama was a Muslim, NOT born in the US, and that Romney freely gave his tax returns. All I could do is smile, say "ok" and walk away.

I wonder where they are still hearing this tribble...oh wait...nevermind!

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Response to Debau2005 (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:21 AM

6. The stupidity installed is hard to defeat. n/t

 

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Response to Whovian (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:31 AM

7. Yep.

You can't reason with irrational people.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:18 AM

19. Sadly

It's going to take a few more defeats before they get around to recognizing they need to change their fundamental assumptions and beliefs, and replace them with objective reality.

They'll either come around........or keep losing.

Boehner is still claiming no tax cuts.

The overwhelming numbers of people want the rich to be taxed at the same rate they were under Clinton.

Time for a rude awakening.

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Response to Debau2005 (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:41 AM

8. Old White Guy Neighbor . . .

. . . told me on Monday that Romney was gonna win. THIS was based on his Fox-Only viewing. Was a lifelong Dem but when Obama was elected in '08 he switched to Fox as he is a flaming racist. He REALLY believed that Romney was gonna win! He was lied to so now what channel will he watch? LOL

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Response to Debau2005 (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:48 AM

14. We can't let ourselves be bothered.

Ignore them. They are irrelevant and living in the past. We have to continue to move forward. This election as proven that we can progress by leaving them in the dust.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:13 AM

5. I love it, but the Fox News watchers I know would rather believe in vote tampering

than to think that they aren't getting the truth from Fox. There is no way they will admit to being wrong about anything.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:43 AM

12. Come now and be honest

If the election had gone the other way there would be a few threads on hear about potential vote fraud. It is the denying stage of grief that allows that narrative to bubble up. Largely I believe our voting system is fairly accurate and the point in the election is the candidate should win convincingly i.e. both of President Obama's elections have been way outside any margins of any type of vote fraud.

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Response to humbled_opinion (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:23 PM

28. There WAS election fraud. Just not ENOUGH election fraud.

Hopefully, Obama will be able to install some fixes for next time.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #28)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:04 AM

33. Yep, Democrats have an unfair deal. Make your margins large enough where they can't steal it.

Or they will. That simple. They can win close elections because we don't tamper with voting machines, suppress the vote with voter ID, limited early voting or pathetic voting machine allotments. We can't because they will cheat ANYTIME it is close. Which is why Obama's accomplishments are such a big deal. He got so many new, younger voters as well as minority voters that the numbers were way too great for them to steal both times.

We need to keep that sort of enthusiasm going in 2016.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:59 AM

9. Proceed with caution

The Fox News (False News) watchers I know are very wounded right now. I've tried for years to find a way to show them the truth, but they have been systematically mind-controlled not just by Fox. There's a machine at work which they cannot see even if you offer proof. George Lakoff describes it very well, and the Obama campaigns appear to have benefited greatly from his work.

If you love any of these people as I do, let them grieve. Some of them, like any other addicts will come to their senses on their own or not at all. When their eyes and ears open just a little is the moment I will offer help.

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Response to lefthandedskyhook (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:54 AM

15. Does George Lakoff research lies and anti-self interest?

I don't have time to do research, but I'm interested because this seems to be the foundation of their thought.

They want to be lied to, apparently, so why is that?

I can imagine situations when I might prefer a lie over the truth. I'd prefer people say I look good even if I don't. I'd prefer people say I'm smart even if I'm not.

Why do they lack self-interest?

Lots of these people are retired collecting considerable benefits from the government themselves, social security and pensions. Why are they asking for people who to stop caring about them? Is it their ego?

It don't get it, but I think this stuff is worth investigating.

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Response to DaveJ (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:11 AM

17. Lakoff's approach...

...is to examine the very re-framing of thoughts within the brains of individuals. He gained national notoriety before the '04 election and has published a number of works. The last title I read (via audio book) was: "Who's Freedom". He may have fresher works out now, but that one is still a worthwhile read and was probably studied in depth by top strategists on our side of the aisle. His works include both light reading and rather dense brain science texts.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:08 AM

10. Just give them Justice Scalia's advice:

GET OVER IT!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:39 AM

11. A little off topic

Someone posted a demographic yesterday giving a vote breakdown of states with the higher percentage of college educated states that voted for Obama. Can someone provide a link? I can't find it and need to email that post to a friend. Thanks.

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Response to Cheviteau (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:09 PM

25. You can probably do so much better than that

After 2004 I broke the entire electorate into groups of counties by percentage of population that voted for Bush.

I had every US county on a spreadsheet that I matched to official census data.

I compared the percentage of the Bush vote to percentage of a population that had a BA degree or higher.

My chart revealed almost a directly inverse result - from the pool of counties with the highest Bush vote (somewhere in the 18% range had a BA or higher in their populations) to the counties with the lowest (somewhere in the high 28% range, just down from the low 29% range for the counties with the second lowest Bush totals).

It might not be as stark this time, but I'll bet you would find something similar.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:11 AM

18. It is possible to have genuine conservative beliefs without filling your head with garbage every day

But it takes a bit more intellectual effort.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:59 PM

21. what exactly ARE "conservative beliefs"

that do not involve ignorance, racism and fear?????

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Response to Skittles (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:14 PM

22. There are many

For example, Belief in a smaller, less intrusive government. Belief in a government that doesn't need to have an army larger than the next 10 armies COMBINED.

But show me any republican who believes in that today. They aren't conservatives. They are either authoritarians or fascists, take your pick. But they aren't conservatives.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:57 PM

30. A government smaller than what? Smaller than whatever the size of the government at any given time?

Do they want all the children to be above average also?

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #30)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:16 PM

35. it's all bullshit, DnSK

repukes never wanted "smaller government" - they just don't want their thieving, gun nut asses regulated in any way

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:11 PM

26. All that garbage serves as a shield . . .

. . . against cognitive dissonance.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:20 PM

31. "genuine conservative beliefs ..."

are always translated into practices that are to the detriment of the rest of the country.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:43 AM

20. thanks so much !!

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Response to april (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:27 PM

24. You are very welcome.

 

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:01 PM

29. K & R

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:57 PM

32. WOW! That's precisely what I've been saying all day and yesterday..

It's only Obvious! Thanks Whovian!

MAKE IT VIRAL!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:58 AM

34. Oh HOW I wish I could send this to them...but I prefer to keep the elephant in the room cuz

I still want them in my life. Just wish they would wake UP!!!

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