Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:18 AM

Whovian (2,866 posts)

If you have any Republican family or friends in shock over the 7th, send this to them.

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If you have any Republican family or friends in shock over the 7th, send this to them. (Original post)	Whovian	Nov 2012	OP
Love it.	beac	Nov 2012	#1
sadly, i do	barbtries	Nov 2012	#3
Same here	PatSeg	Nov 2012	#16
didn't ALL the media lie and say it was close?	RepublicansRZombies	Nov 2012	#23
yeah, pretty much	barbtries	Nov 2012	#27
No, leave em be.	Tutonic	Nov 2012	#2
It won't help mine	Debau2005	Nov 2012	#4
The stupidity installed is hard to defeat. n/t	Whovian	Nov 2012	#6
Yep.	GoCubsGo	Nov 2012	#7
Sadly	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#19
Old White Guy Neighbor . . .	MOMFUDSKI	Nov 2012	#8
We can't let ourselves be bothered.	vduhr	Nov 2012	#14
I love it, but the Fox News watchers I know would rather believe in vote tampering	Arkansas Granny	Nov 2012	#5
Come now and be honest	humbled_opinion	Nov 2012	#12
There WAS election fraud. Just not ENOUGH election fraud.	lindysalsagal	Nov 2012	#28
Yep, Democrats have an unfair deal. Make your margins large enough where they can't steal it.	MessiahRp	Nov 2012	#33
Proceed with caution	lefthandedskyhook	Nov 2012	#9
Does George Lakoff research lies and anti-self interest?	DaveJ	Nov 2012	#15
Lakoff's approach...	lefthandedskyhook	Nov 2012	#17
Just give them Justice Scalia's advice:	kskiska	Nov 2012	#10
A little off topic	Cheviteau	Nov 2012	#11
try this link...	Kadie	Nov 2012	#13
You can probably do so much better than that	jsmirman	Nov 2012	#25
It is possible to have genuine conservative beliefs without filling your head with garbage every day	BlueStreak	Nov 2012	#18
what exactly ARE "conservative beliefs"	Skittles	Nov 2012	#21
There are many	BlueStreak	Nov 2012	#22
A government smaller than what? Smaller than whatever the size of the government at any given time?	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#30
it's all bullshit, DnSK	Skittles	Nov 2012	#35
All that garbage serves as a shield . . .	markpkessinger	Nov 2012	#26
"genuine conservative beliefs ..."	dchill	Nov 2012	#31
thanks so much !!	april	Nov 2012	#20
You are very welcome.	Whovian	Nov 2012	#24
K & R	dchill	Nov 2012	#29
WOW! That's precisely what I've been saying all day and yesterday..	Cha	Nov 2012	#32
Oh HOW I wish I could send this to them...but I prefer to keep the elephant in the room cuz	onecent	Nov 2012	#34

Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:21 AM

beac (9,339 posts)

1. Love it.

But glad I have no FAUX News-brainwashed relatives to send it to.

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Response to beac (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:53 AM

barbtries (15,007 posts)

3. sadly, i do

but i've decided to lighten up on the political fb posts. come to think of it i should probably check my friend list since i probably lost a few
i just don't think they're going to be able to follow the evidence to its obvious conclusion: they've been lied to. the election was not even close.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:09 AM

PatSeg (15,702 posts)

16. Same here

And they used to be fairly sane and normal. They have been thoroughly brainwashed by FOX and Rush. If I thought it would make a difference, I would send this to them, but I just avoid political discussions with them. Not worth arguing with people who listen to FOX.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:22 PM

RepublicansRZombies (982 posts)

23. didn't ALL the media lie and say it was close?

Didn't ALL the media and lie and say Romney won those debates, and Paul Ryan won- give me a break!

ALL of the media needs to be held accountable for lying on our public airwaves, blatantly shilling for profit.

It is disgusting and absurd they do not lose their FCC license.

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Response to RepublicansRZombies (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:19 PM

barbtries (15,007 posts)

27. yeah, pretty much

you're right. but the fairness doctrine as i recall went out with reagan.

fox is by far the worst imo

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:24 AM

Tutonic (2,470 posts)

2. No, leave em be.

Why have them pollute our conversations and space. SOme of them seem to enjoy getting fleeced election after election.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:00 AM

Debau2005 (1,908 posts)

4. It won't help mine

I had someone yell at me last night that President Obama was a Muslim, NOT born in the US, and that Romney freely gave his tax returns. All I could do is smile, say "ok" and walk away.

I wonder where they are still hearing this tribble...oh wait...nevermind!

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Response to Debau2005 (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:21 AM

Whovian (2,866 posts)

6. The stupidity installed is hard to defeat. n/t

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Response to Whovian (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:31 AM

GoCubsGo (12,974 posts)

7. Yep.

You can't reason with irrational people.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:18 AM

Dog Gone at Penigma (431 posts)

19. Sadly

It's going to take a few more defeats before they get around to recognizing they need to change their fundamental assumptions and beliefs, and replace them with objective reality.

They'll either come around........or keep losing.

Boehner is still claiming no tax cuts.

The overwhelming numbers of people want the rich to be taxed at the same rate they were under Clinton.

Time for a rude awakening.

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Response to Debau2005 (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:41 AM

MOMFUDSKI (24 posts)

8. Old White Guy Neighbor . . .

. . . told me on Monday that Romney was gonna win. THIS was based on his Fox-Only viewing. Was a lifelong Dem but when Obama was elected in '08 he switched to Fox as he is a flaming racist. He REALLY believed that Romney was gonna win! He was lied to so now what channel will he watch? LOL

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Response to Debau2005 (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:48 AM

vduhr (593 posts)

14. We can't let ourselves be bothered.

Ignore them. They are irrelevant and living in the past. We have to continue to move forward. This election as proven that we can progress by leaving them in the dust.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:13 AM

Arkansas Granny (14,619 posts)

5. I love it, but the Fox News watchers I know would rather believe in vote tampering

than to think that they aren't getting the truth from Fox. There is no way they will admit to being wrong about anything.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:43 AM

humbled_opinion (3,296 posts)

12. Come now and be honest

If the election had gone the other way there would be a few threads on hear about potential vote fraud. It is the denying stage of grief that allows that narrative to bubble up. Largely I believe our voting system is fairly accurate and the point in the election is the candidate should win convincingly i.e. both of President Obama's elections have been way outside any margins of any type of vote fraud.

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Response to humbled_opinion (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:23 PM

lindysalsagal (1,782 posts)

28. There WAS election fraud. Just not ENOUGH election fraud.

Hopefully, Obama will be able to install some fixes for next time.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #28)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:04 AM

MessiahRp (5,404 posts)

33. Yep, Democrats have an unfair deal. Make your margins large enough where they can't steal it.

Or they will. That simple. They can win close elections because we don't tamper with voting machines, suppress the vote with voter ID, limited early voting or pathetic voting machine allotments. We can't because they will cheat ANYTIME it is close. Which is why Obama's accomplishments are such a big deal. He got so many new, younger voters as well as minority voters that the numbers were way too great for them to steal both times.

We need to keep that sort of enthusiasm going in 2016.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:59 AM

lefthandedskyhook (352 posts)

9. Proceed with caution

The Fox News (False News) watchers I know are very wounded right now. I've tried for years to find a way to show them the truth, but they have been systematically mind-controlled not just by Fox. There's a machine at work which they cannot see even if you offer proof. George Lakoff describes it very well, and the Obama campaigns appear to have benefited greatly from his work.

If you love any of these people as I do, let them grieve. Some of them, like any other addicts will come to their senses on their own or not at all. When their eyes and ears open just a little is the moment I will offer help.

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Response to lefthandedskyhook (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:54 AM

DaveJ (4,930 posts)

15. Does George Lakoff research lies and anti-self interest?

I don't have time to do research, but I'm interested because this seems to be the foundation of their thought.

They want to be lied to, apparently, so why is that?

I can imagine situations when I might prefer a lie over the truth. I'd prefer people say I look good even if I don't. I'd prefer people say I'm smart even if I'm not.

Why do they lack self-interest?

Lots of these people are retired collecting considerable benefits from the government themselves, social security and pensions. Why are they asking for people who to stop caring about them? Is it their ego?

It don't get it, but I think this stuff is worth investigating.

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Response to DaveJ (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:11 AM

lefthandedskyhook (352 posts)

17. Lakoff's approach...

...is to examine the very re-framing of thoughts within the brains of individuals. He gained national notoriety before the '04 election and has published a number of works. The last title I read (via audio book) was: "Who's Freedom". He may have fresher works out now, but that one is still a worthwhile read and was probably studied in depth by top strategists on our side of the aisle. His works include both light reading and rather dense brain science texts.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:08 AM

kskiska (24,650 posts)

10. Just give them Justice Scalia's advice:

GET OVER IT!

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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:39 AM

Cheviteau (36 posts)

11. A little off topic

Someone posted a demographic yesterday giving a vote breakdown of states with the higher percentage of college educated states that voted for Obama. Can someone provide a link? I can't find it and need to email that post to a friend. Thanks.

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Response to Cheviteau (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:44 AM

Kadie (15,340 posts)

13. try this link...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021766618

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Response to Cheviteau (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:09 PM

jsmirman (4,188 posts)

25. You can probably do so much better than that

After 2004 I broke the entire electorate into groups of counties by percentage of population that voted for Bush.

I had every US county on a spreadsheet that I matched to official census data.

I compared the percentage of the Bush vote to percentage of a population that had a BA degree or higher.

My chart revealed almost a directly inverse result - from the pool of counties with the highest Bush vote (somewhere in the 18% range had a BA or higher in their populations) to the counties with the lowest (somewhere in the high 28% range, just down from the low 29% range for the counties with the second lowest Bush totals).

It might not be as stark this time, but I'll bet you would find something similar.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:11 AM

BlueStreak (3,742 posts)

18. It is possible to have genuine conservative beliefs without filling your head with garbage every day

But it takes a bit more intellectual effort.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:59 PM

Skittles (86,204 posts)

21. what exactly ARE "conservative beliefs"

that do not involve ignorance, racism and fear?????

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Response to Skittles (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:14 PM

BlueStreak (3,742 posts)

22. There are many

For example, Belief in a smaller, less intrusive government. Belief in a government that doesn't need to have an army larger than the next 10 armies COMBINED.

But show me any republican who believes in that today. They aren't conservatives. They are either authoritarians or fascists, take your pick. But they aren't conservatives.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:57 PM

Dark n Stormy Knight (1,176 posts)