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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:46 AM

 

Interesting stat, Obama wins 8 out of ten of the wealthiest counties,

"In an election that often focused on debates about class warfare, President Barack Obama was favored over multimillionaire businessman Mitt Romney in eight of the nation’s 10 wealthiest counties.

And his margin of victory in all eight counties was greater than that of the national vote, in which Obama was leading by 50 percent to 48 percent with 97 percent of precincts reporting. "
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49726054

Apparently the one percent is comfortable with Obama. I will leave you to draw your own conclusions from that.

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Reply Interesting stat, Obama wins 8 out of ten of the wealthiest counties, (Original post)
MadHound Nov 2012 OP
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #1
CreekDog Nov 2012 #2
MadHound Nov 2012 #3
cali Nov 2012 #4
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #5
MadHound Nov 2012 #8
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #9
William Seger Nov 2012 #15
MadHound Nov 2012 #6
cali Nov 2012 #12
MadHound Nov 2012 #26
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #27
MadHound Nov 2012 #28
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #29
SpartanDem Nov 2012 #32
Chorophyll Nov 2012 #20
CreekDog Nov 2012 #7
MadHound Nov 2012 #10
greatauntoftriplets Nov 2012 #11
cali Nov 2012 #13
unblock Nov 2012 #14
treestar Nov 2012 #16
Chorophyll Nov 2012 #17
Janecita Nov 2012 #18
Robb Nov 2012 #19
FSogol Nov 2012 #22
ProSense Nov 2012 #21
Chorophyll Nov 2012 #23
great white snark Nov 2012 #24
alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #30
Tsiyu Nov 2012 #25
DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #31
stevenleser Nov 2012 #33

Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:47 AM

1. So! The Moochers DID vote for Obama!

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:52 AM

2. the people of Marin vote for social programs, taxes, against the death penalty, etc.

to reform three strikes.

for a black man as president.

do you have a problem with that? would you like one of the 5 most progressive counties in the nation to vote the other way?

would you like that?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:55 AM

3. I'm just pointing out a simple stat,

 

Namely that the wealthy voted for Obama, percentagewise in greater numbers than the rest of us. Like I said above, I leave you to draw your own conclusion from that stat.

My, my, so very touchy about this, why?

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Response to MadHound (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:59 AM

4. It doesn't necessarily follow that because he won those specific counties

that he won the majority of the wealthy. For instance, Fairfield County has Greenwich and Darien but it also has Bridgeport- the largest city- and that's a city with mostly poor and minority citizens.

You have to be very careful with statistics like these.

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Response to cali (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:02 AM

5. Same with Fairfax County

There is a very large immigrant population here. This is not a county of the 1%.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:04 AM

8. Being the fifth wealthiest county in the country, I think it most certainly is. n/t

 

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Response to MadHound (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:06 AM

9. Then you need to tak a look at what the income level for the 1% is n/t

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Response to MadHound (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:50 AM

15. When Bill Gates walks into a room...

... what happens to the average net worth of the people in the room?

The point people are making is that it's easy to misinterpret averages.

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Response to cali (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:03 AM

6. Wow, that was a pretty Orwellian statement there,

 

"You have to be very careful with statistics like these." What, I shouldn't post stats like these? Or I shouldn't post stats like these without the proper spin put on them?

I simply posted the article, people around here can draw their own conclusions. They are smart enough, and politically savvy enough, to make their own conclusions.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:29 AM

12. Orwellian, my ass. do you even know what that means, hon?

First of all, I never said that you shouldn't post stats like the ones you posted, dear. But yes, you do have to be careful how you interpret them. Why? As I pointed out, Fairfield country is home to rich towns like Greenwich and Darien but it is also home to Bridgeport and quite a few working class towns. Ergo, one cannot assume that the reason that Obama won Fairfield County is because of the votes of the wealthy.

This is basic stuff. You should be able to follow.

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:21 AM

26. The thing is, I'm not the one doing the interpreting,

 

But rather other posters scrambling around trying to come up with their own interpretations, including you. I simply presented this fact, and that's all.

Oh, and the Orwellian comment, well, it is rather Orwellian when I simply present a set of stats, and you tell me to be careful how I interpret them, then proceed to interpret them yourself. Perhaps it is you who needs to refresh their memory.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:22 AM

27. You did interpret the stats

And incorrectly, at that.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:27 AM

28. Care to point out where? n/t

 

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Response to MadHound (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:33 AM

29. Sure

When you stated that these counties are the 1%.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:40 AM

32. You said "Apparently the one percent is comfortable with Obama"

that's not interpretation?

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Response to MadHound (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:08 AM

20. Westchester County checking in:

I'm right in the middle of it. If you took a walk around here, you'd never believe you were in the wealthiest county in the nation. We've got the cities of White Plains and Yonkers, and towns like New Rochelle, Mt. Vernon, and Port Chester which are largely African-American and Latino. So while a great deal of money is concentrated here in several communities, it isn't necessarily the local 1% who voted for Obama.

But yeah, some affluent white people are actually good Democrats who want what's best for everyone and are willing to pay their share. Believe it or not.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:04 AM

7. because here were have progressive voters and you're implying something unprogressive about them

and casting aspersions on Obama at the same time.

it's your game, it's what you do.

i'm not wealthy either. i'm in San Mateo County, another wealthy county that votes largely as Marin does.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:06 AM

10. I've said nothing about Obama, except this,

 

I leave you to draw your own conclusions from the article.

You're the one who is getting oh so very defensive about this article, why?

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:25 AM

11. Bit early in the morning for this, but...

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:31 AM

13. You know that old saw, right?

"Lies, damned lies and statistics"?

Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments. It is also sometimes colloquially used to doubt statistics used to prove an opponent's point.

The term was popularised in the United States by Mark Twain (among others), who attributed it to the 19th-century British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (1804–1881): "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." However, the phrase is not found in any of Disraeli's works and the earliest known appearances were years after his death. Other coiners have therefore been proposed, and the phrase is often attributed to Twain himself.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:49 AM

14. "wealthy counties" and "the one percent" are not at all the same thing

it's not like EVERYONE in these "wealthy counties" are in the 1%.

they're called the ONE PERCENT for a reason, they're generally the top ONE PERCENT of the population.
in the wealthier counties, sure, they're going to be a higher concentration, maybe 2%, 3%, mayyyybe as much as 4% or even 5%.

that still means they're heavily outnumbered, so if the county as a whole went for obama, it doesn't say much about the 1%.

if anything, all it says is that the 1% are comfortable living in blue counties.

mostly "wealthier county" says something about the income distribution WITHIN the 99%, who after all count a whole lot more than the 1% by virtue of their numbers.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:51 AM

16. The 1% is much smaller

and would have voted for R$. Relatively wealthy people, very comfortable but not of the 1%, are often liberals.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:55 AM

17. I believe that the only people the Republicans can pull in right now are

racists, sociopaths, and -- this is the big one -- a chunk of middle-class, working-class, and working-poor people who are delusional enough to believe that they're on their way to being rich too, just as soon as those OTHER people (African Americans, immigrants, single moms, whatever) stop taking all their hard-earned stuff.

On edit: Oh hi, MadHound. I didn't even realize this was your OP. I was too busy savoring Obama's massive victory and the disaster that's been averted.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:55 AM

18. I'm not surprised

That he didn't win my county (Hunterdon) I think that I was the only person driving around with Obama bumper stickers on my car! Do you guys want to hear something seriously pathetic? I live in one of the richest counties in the US and I still don't have power since the hurricane😪Sorry, I just needed to vent a little.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:57 AM

19. Obama's win really burns you, doesn't it?

Cheer up.

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Response to Robb (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:21 AM

22. LOL n/t

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:17 AM

21. Obama won?

Cool!

Here's more positive news:

This election feels different
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021769342

Study: Planned Parenthood Got Best Return On Investment In 2012

The Sunlight Foundation released a report Thursday calculating return on investment for outside spending groups in the 2012 election based on what percentage of their spending went to races that ended up with the desired results. Planned Parenthood's super PAC got the best return.

98.58% of $5,086,007 spent in the general election and ending in the desired result.

Supported 7 winning candidates ; 18.83% of money went to supporting winning candidates.

Opposed 7 losing candidates; 79.76% of money went to opposing losing candidates.

The worst performers were the NRA's super PAC and Karl Rove's American Crossroads, with .81 percent and 1.29 percent respectively.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/study-planned-parenthood-got-best-return-on-investment


What Right-Wing Attack Groups Got For $228,646,000



http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/11/08/1164961/what-right-wing-attack-groups-got-for-228646000/

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Response to ProSense (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:27 AM

23. If I could rec a comment...

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Response to ProSense (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:33 AM

24. That's some mighty fine positive news you got there ProSense.

It's nice to win on so many levels. I haven't stopped smiling since Obama's victory speech.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:34 AM

30. ROFL

The pouting by this particular one is especially satisfying!



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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:54 AM

25. Funny thing is

the right wing talk hosts are all claiming that the wealthy voters - the grownup "job creators" and movers and shakers - chose Rmoney because Rmoney is a bizznizzman. Wealthy people are RESPONSIBLE GIVERS who naturally made the more grownup choice.

Only the TAKERS, the little people, voted for Obama. They are like little children who voted for Santa Claus, you see.

So your stats fly in the face of this week's Righwing Fairy Tale.

Interesting indeed.


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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:37 AM

31. Being Wealthy And Being Liberal Are Not Mutually Exclusive/nt

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:42 AM

33. Elizabeth Warren won some 1% areas in MA. Kucinich used to win some 1% areas in Cleveland

Some 1%'s here in NYC voted for Jill Stein.

You can misuse statistics to vomit forth fallacious reasoning all day MH. You think you are making a point when all you are doing is discrediting yourself.

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