Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:12 PM
JRLeft (1,953 posts)
California Is No Longer Your Crazy Deadbeat Uncle
This is what happens when you let Democrats govern. . . California's credit rating has been slashed to junk-bond status, and citizens are advised to stock up for the not-too-far-off day when cigarettes and Botox become the hard currency of choice. At this stage, we couldn't give California back to Mexico. —Ann Coulter, 2003
For the past few decades, making fun of California has been a favorite pastime of conservatives and, for that matter, just about everybody. We're either the Libertine State (Ganja! Gays!), the Nanny State (Eat your fruit before you get your Happy Meal toy!), or a redoubt of ecofascism. (AB 32: the horror!) But more than anything, we're just perpetually broke—the governmental equivalent of Annie Liebovitz or Mike Tyson. And regarding that Ann Coulter actually speaks the truth. Well, except for the part about blaming government by Democrats. Anyone passingly familiar with the nation's most populous state knows that our budget woes trace back to Proposition 13, a ballot initiative that cut and capped property taxes and required a two-thirds vote to pass any future tax increases. This, in turn, kicked off a nationwide tax revolt that ended up installing former California Gov. Ronald Reagan in the White House. Since then, California has trended more Democratic than the rest of the country, but that hasn't mattered: A minority of Republicans in the state legislature have held up all efforts to patch the gaping revenue hole left by Prop. 13—and more recently the foreclosure crisis and recession. As Kevin Drum noted yesterday, in 2007 California spent $3,100 per resident out of its general fund. Today that's down to $2,400. Here's the good news: The nationwide tax revolt that started in California appears to be ending in California. Yesterday state voters passed Proposition 30, a ballot measure that raises sales taxes and income taxes on the wealthy in order to prevent $6 billion in cuts to schools and services. And even more surprisingly, voters apparently have elected a Democratic supermajority to the state Senate and Assembly for the first time in many years, finally giving Democrats the ability to overhaul the Golden State's tarnished tax code. In short, California might not be a national laughingstock much longer. With the fiscal cliff fast approaching, that honor may soon go to Washington. http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/california-prop-30-supermajority
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| JRLeft | Nov 2012 | OP | |
| CaliforniaPeggy | Nov 2012 | #1 | |
| JRLeft | Nov 2012 | #3 | |
| Sekhmets Daughter | Nov 2012 | #4 | |
| Sekhmets Daughter | Nov 2012 | #2 | |
| JRLeft | Nov 2012 | #5 | |
| Sekhmets Daughter | Nov 2012 | #12 | |
| JRLeft | Nov 2012 | #15 | |
| Sekhmets Daughter | Nov 2012 | #22 | |
| flamingdem | Nov 2012 | #8 | |
| Sekhmets Daughter | Nov 2012 | #11 | |
| on point | Nov 2012 | #6 | |
| JRLeft | Nov 2012 | #7 | |
| Sekhmets Daughter | Nov 2012 | #10 | |
| JRLeft | Nov 2012 | #13 | |
| NV Whino | Nov 2012 | #16 | |
| Art_from_Ark | Nov 2012 | #18 | |
| NV Whino | Nov 2012 | #24 | |
| alittlelark | Nov 2012 | #9 | |
| ProfessionalLeftist | Nov 2012 | #14 | |
| kenny blankenship | Nov 2012 | #17 | |
| caveat_imperator | Nov 2012 | #19 | |
| Catch2.2 | Nov 2012 | #20 | |
| silverweb | Nov 2012 | #21 | |
| Starry Messenger | Nov 2012 | #23 |
Response to JRLeft (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:18 PM
CaliforniaPeggy (104,016 posts)
1. I am proud to be a Californian, and to have been a part of this new revolution!
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I was exceptionally pleased to see Prop 30 pass. And the supermajority is just the icing on the cake!
And our weather is just plain superb... |
Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:25 PM
JRLeft (1,953 posts)
3. The big majority was a big fuck you to Grover Norquist.
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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:26 PM
Sekhmets Daughter (7,125 posts)
4. I'm green with envy.
Response to JRLeft (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:25 PM
Sekhmets Daughter (7,125 posts)
2. California's
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state university system was the envy of the nation until the sad effects of Prop 13 began eating it alive. I'm old enough to remember when education was valued above all else but then Tax cuts became the opiate of the masses in America and it's all been downhill since.
As all trends seem to begin in California, this is indeed good news. |
Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #2)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:26 PM
JRLeft (1,953 posts)
5. Yes it is, it is time to pour money back in to our education system.
Response to JRLeft (Reply #5)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:49 PM
Sekhmets Daughter (7,125 posts)
12. People want to have their cake
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and be able to eat it as well. Every time someone says tax cuts fools salivate, but the phrase makes me see red.
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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #12)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:52 PM
JRLeft (1,953 posts)
15. We've voted for multiple ballot initiatives, but refused to raise taxes for revenue in order
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to pay for the program.
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Response to JRLeft (Reply #15)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:21 AM
Sekhmets Daughter (7,125 posts)
22. Exactly!
Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #2)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:42 PM
flamingdem (22,738 posts)
8. So true, what a loss
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but there is still enough left to revive it
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Response to flamingdem (Reply #8)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:47 PM
Sekhmets Daughter (7,125 posts)
11. I do so hope so.
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Rick Scott is doing his best to screw over the state university system here in FL....miserable worm that he is.
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Response to JRLeft (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:34 PM
on point (1,002 posts)
6. BTW, the CA debt is equal to the amount Enron ripped off from the state and still not recovered!
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During that little looting episode under the rethug deregulation of the eletricity market.
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Response to on point (Reply #6)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:37 PM
JRLeft (1,953 posts)
7. Do not forget how we were fucked by Edison too.
Response to on point (Reply #6)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:45 PM
Sekhmets Daughter (7,125 posts)
10. WOW...
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I knew Enron had really screwed over CA, but I never knew the amount was equal to your debt. All of it unrecoverable right?
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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #10)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:50 PM
JRLeft (1,953 posts)
13. We can recover it once we began to invest in green technology jobs and education. It has to be a
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long term plan.
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Response to on point (Reply #6)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:04 AM
NV Whino (14,265 posts)
16. Yes, it was Eron who threw us under the bus.
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We had a surplus before Eron fucked us over. Then that jerk Issa got the recall going. Then Arnie settled for pennies on the dollar.
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Response to NV Whino (Reply #16)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:17 AM
Art_from_Ark (16,927 posts)
18. Not just Enron
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It was a consortium of 4 out-of-state energy companies that were screwing over the state. And to add insult to injury, Dick "Dastardly" Cheney rubbed it in your faces, claiming it was the state's fault for "not deregulating enough", while his sidekick, G. "Muttley" Bush, refused to provide federal assistance.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0322-11.htm |
Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #18)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:40 AM
NV Whino (14,265 posts)
24. Absolutely right
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There was an entire consortium trying to drag down California to diminish our liberal asses.
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Response to JRLeft (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:45 PM
alittlelark (14,800 posts)
9. :-) We did it !!!
Response to JRLeft (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:51 PM
ProfessionalLeftist (4,982 posts)
14. Proud to have helped my 80-something year-old Mom and aunt
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fill out their absentee ballots in Cali this year.
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Response to JRLeft (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:07 AM
kenny blankenship (15,083 posts)
17. From Hell's heart, your crazy deadbeat Uncle
shakes his rotting fist at you tax-and-spenders. And if my nose is not mistaken, I believe he is also passing gas. No doubt it is a furious cloud of angry miserliness. |
Response to JRLeft (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:20 AM
caveat_imperator (193 posts)
19. Sad that reagan didn't live to see this day
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and suffer crippling depression because of it.
Good luck, California! |
Response to JRLeft (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:29 AM
Catch2.2 (71 posts)
20. And please Californians!
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Let's hire more Firefighters!
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Response to JRLeft (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:28 AM
Starry Messenger (21,472 posts)
23. k&r
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I'm finally recovering from my Yes on 30 campaign stress. And that 2/3rds majority is incredible too.
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